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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 01:31 AM Sep 2015

Discovery of liquid water on Mars

I've always been fascinated by physics, chemistry, astronomy and the idea that mankind and all earth-kind are not alone in the universe.

The law of averages pretty much guarantees that across billions of planets, some of them have life. Life finds a way, and maybe *all* of them have some sort of life.

Finding liquid water ups the ante that there might actually be some life on Mars.

I just find this whole discovery intriguing!

Will they find life?

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Discovery of liquid water on Mars (Original Post) Aerows Sep 2015 OP
Mars, Europa, Enceladus? longship Sep 2015 #1
Sample return. That's the long game, I think, at least until people actually go. Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #2
Yup! That is my understanding as well. longship Sep 2015 #3

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Mars, Europa, Enceladus?
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:35 AM
Sep 2015

Which ones?

I just do not know why they don't send a mission to Mars that can actually find that out. Not even Curiosity can do it. And apparently the next mission, based on Curiosity rover platform, will not be able to either. Why the Hell not?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
2. Sample return. That's the long game, I think, at least until people actually go.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:43 AM
Sep 2015

I think part of the problem is that "finding life" has not been effectively defined as per an experimental suite of instruments, at least to the point where someone has figured out a definitive series of tests which could give a "yes" or "no".

Obviously if something crawls out of a rock or a rover finds a moss-covered outcropping, there's your answer- but since that hasn't happened yet, I think NASA is still living in the shadows of the Viking missions, which DID set out with the goal of "finding life" (or not) and the experiments gave results which have been interpreted differently over the years, originally (wrongly) detecting what they thought was organic activity but was actually most likely due to perchlorates or other reactivity in the martian soil, and then declaring Mars "dead" which may not be true, either.

In fact those Viking results remain ambiguous to this day.

So -speculating, here- NASA does not want to set out "finding life" as a goal unless they have a reasonable degree of certainty that they know how to ask that question and get an answer which is both definitive and will hold up.

But again, sample return- once you get some Mars rocks back here on Earth where they can be examined 5 million ways to Sunday, that's a different story than choosing what equipment to send all the way to the surface of Mars and what experiments to perform once they're there.

Also, if there is flowing water, I would think that a good experiment to be performed there on the surface of Mars would be trying to capture a sample and then just look at it under a real good microscope. One problem with that which I can see out the gate, I believe these brief liquid flows tend to happen on the sides of craters, mostly, from what I've seen-- water seeping out from sub surface areas; not exactly an easy spot to park a rover to take a drink.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. Yup! That is my understanding as well.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 04:49 AM
Sep 2015

But there are many smart people at NASA and the other space agencies. As Bill Nye might say, "Let's just get 'er done."

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