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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen you've about got it figured out, and then life smacks you back down...
I am tired.
I am tired of being right on the brink of being financially stable-ish, only to be shot down in flames.
I am tired of watching my savings account grow, only to be completely exhausted after being in a hit-and-run, or after the new job doesn't work out, or after shit just keeps happening and happening.
I am tired of wishing I could sleep because I can't afford anything other than my 15+ year old mattress I literally don't fit on, that stabs me when I turn around.
I am tired of watching my clothes, my bike, my things slowly fall apart, knowing I can't survive on my own if they break.
I am tired of not knowing.
I am tired...and I've got it pretty good: an apartment, food most of the time, a few friends, a family just in case everything goes wrong and I really have nothing left.
But I'm really, really fucking tired right now.
Love to all of you in similar places, or who have already passed it.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,678 posts)irisblue
(33,018 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)I'm sorry... but that seems so negligent and lame.
Sending my love and hope for a better tomorrow.
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)you just need a little loving. Some strong arms wrapped around you holding you tight letting you know everything is all right. While we can't be in your apartment, if you close your eyes and clear your mind, you can feel all of our arms around you, letting you know you are loved. That no matter what, it will work out. Just relax in our arms until you feel rested and filled.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Skittles
(153,174 posts)love is gravy in this situation
njlib
(891 posts)and I just said everything you have to myself the other day, including the "really, really fucking tired" part. Seems like everything is on its last legs...house, vehicle, etc.....and I can't fix any of it. Thanks for posting...it's a bit of a comfort to know that we're not alone.
Hang in there and let's hope things get better for us all....
My social security and VA benefits stay the same, while the bills and prices just keep going higher. Not living paycheck-to-paycheck, but paycheck-to-broke three days later.
840high
(17,196 posts)Almost 80, need a new stove and furnace. Can not afford either. Wish I could get a job, but who hires 80 year olds? Barely making ends meet,
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Leaky roof. Plumbing in poor shape -- but it still works. Winter coming on, thankfully I have money for some heating oil. We'll see if it's enough. Depends on how fucking cold it gets. No snow plow, but a guy plows my driveway in winter. He's inexpensive and good. It's 15 miles each way to the grocery and if I don't get plowed, I eventually starve. It can get tough here in the national forest of rural west Michigan, in winter, which is coming on.
My income is SocSec, just under a grand per month. Similar to years past, I will likely get through.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)This is what's wrong since Reagan. Everybody but the elite on the edge.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It is damn hard work.
The anxiety, the worry, the lack of of even a tiny financial cushion, is so tiring. Saps your energy, slows your thinking,makes even the day to day little things
hard to do.
Been there more than once.....and looking down the road, can see it coming again, in this country, in this economy.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)As you so eloquently explained, even if you get out of poverty, it has a way of pulling you back in sooner or later.
I, too, see it looming in the distance.
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)the worries even enter my sleep not letting me sleep more than 4 hours or so a night. Then again I do have it better than many, a home, my cats, friends and family who love me. A job that I like most of the time, even though the pay sucks so I'm constantly one emergency away from financial disaster.
Guess there's nothing we can do but keep plugging along. Hope it at least helps to know others understand.
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)stay strong, message if you need
none of that 'shop smarter' shit from me
i'm tired of feeling as you feel as well
perhaps we need to make a 'tired of being working poor' group here?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)It's hard and it's exhausting.
As I get longer in the years, I've found that you never truly win at life. Life is a mean bastard. Once you think you have it good something is taken away. I've struggled with death of loved ones, poverty. In fact I was homeless for a while. Get a great job, work hard, then boom overnight the doors are closed and we are all fired.
Illnesses I could not afford, car breaks down, love of your life leaves you... For that smug ass hole. It can be and is overwhelming.
I've stopped measuring success by where I am. But by how often I could keep moving forward in spite of life. I know I'll never win, but I triumph in never quitting.
I feel for you. I truly do. Much love.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'd like to ride over and give you this in person...
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)"Remember, you are loved." It saved me. Know this, you are loved too. You are essential to this world. I wish I could say more but I don't have the words. Don't give up. You are loved. It can't be this way forever. 2017 will be different. Bernie will be President and then someone will be there who can actually SEE you. Hugs and much love.
Facility Inspector
(615 posts)was to love myself.
I've been through the wringer over and over throughout my adult life.
I literally have nothing of value, no equity, fewer prospects.
But I feel like I am coming into my own. My creative output is profoundly embarrassing in productivity; I don't feel like I need to compare myself to anyone else; and I learned that I am mostly my own best company.
That after being in so many fucked up situations, I realized I brought it onto myself, BECAUSE I WAS SO FUCKED UP.
Birds of a feather . . . la la.
Keep to myself, calm myself, love myself.
Even if I end up living outside, I can make the best out of it, out of any situation.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Like you, I'm tired of a system that hates normal people. I hope soon we can outgrow the need for it. I can't offer you anything other than to say that it's not you.
I wish I could sleep too.
onecaliberal
(32,880 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)It's exhausting and unbelievably disheartening.
Having the power shut off, and it's always on a Friday so you lose whatever food you have in the fridge.
Literally crying with envy seeing people eating in a restaurant.
Hand-washing clothes in the bathroom sink and letting them air-dry in the shower overnight to save on laundry money.
Standing in line at the food bank, trying not to look anyone in the eye.
Spending the whole year paying down credit card balances after winter heating oil bills.
Selling plasma because you need five bucks that badly.
Sorry you're in a rough place right now. Love to you and everyone working so hard to keep afloat.
NikolaC
(1,276 posts)IVoteDFL
(417 posts)I just started all over again with my savings account after flake roommate let me down big time this month on the rent and surprised me with a huge utility bill that went unpaid for months. On top of that I really need new work boots and I JUST replaced my last pair.
Whenever I feel like I'm starting to get ahead the shit starts to pile up. It's a problem for many of us. I'm sick and tired of it too. I'm tired for myself, and for everyone else that I see struggle.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)packman
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Seriously, weariness and being tired (excessively) may be a medical condition. You might want to go to the doctor for a check-up. We all have the blues but in the immortal words of Annie - the sun will come up tomorrow and no matter what happens, it will come up.
Stargazer99
(2,592 posts)is part of the problem...what makes you think this person has enough money to afford a doctor? Even a co-pay? Start listening to what some people are experiencing in this nation....open up your mind
packman
(16,296 posts)My mind is open and I listened. Who gave you the poverty crystal ball? What the fuck - how dare you imply that I am not "listening to what some people are experiencing".
No, you're right - my experiences living in a 30 room mansion with a pool filled with imported French wine and having illegal sex slaves has distanced me from the masses. I would like to expand on my richness but I have an early morning golf tee-up at Rich Ass Country Club.
My advice holds - depression can cause all sorts of problems among them feeling of futility and hopelessness.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)other options such as community clinics. Options like that may or may not be available but it's sure worth a shot.
And with the Affordable Care Act perhaps the OP might qualify for subsidized insurance or Medicaid.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)The roller coaster that is life will eventually start back up. Like roller coasters, the trip up seems long and slow and the trip down happens fast and is usually scary! Been there and done that in 52 years and I seem to be having a down turn myself.
Glad you appreciate the important things like family and hopefully your health. I will never take my health for granted since I can never be without moderate to severe pain. Just got hit with the dreaded "Die Beatus" and "Hypertension" diagnoses today. Pretty big bummer for sure.
Good luck to you, hope things turn around soon!
peace13
(11,076 posts)❤️
Gumboot
(531 posts)And plenty of us hapless immigrants too, who found out too late that the 'pot of gold' was just a lousy illusion to get our labour for cheap.
Working 50+ gruelling hours every week, and still not getting by.
House falling apart, no money to get it fixed.
Car on its last legs / wheels.
My worn out body is aching & creaking, no money or insurance so I can get repairs.
Colorado's unforgiving winter on its way, once again...
I think we all need a big ol' DU hug.
All I want for xmas is a regime change in 2016.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I wish everything would turn around for everyone.
❤️
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Very similar to many millions of others I suspect and exactly why we need a revolution. The current structures do not work for too much of the population.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I hope things improve for you in a big way.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)Things suck for me too at this time. I'm 62 and unemployed,
been looking for work for almost a year.
We've got to hang on...things have got to get better!
FourScore
(9,704 posts)I feel the same way.
840high
(17,196 posts)PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)These are our lives here in this neoliberal capitalist utopia.
As the candidate I support says, enough is enough.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)listening to some Beatles, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors or playing my guitar when I have the "I Am Tired" blues. What you're experiencing right now, I also experience once in a while. But what really helps is my wife by my side, whom I love dearly, but she's been gone for a couple of months because her mom got really sick and that's seventeen hundred fifty miles away.
Just know that you have family here on DU and we help one another when we can.
Ilsa
(61,696 posts)Delivered to us by the Reagans, Bushes, Jaime Dimons, Kochs, Walton, etc of the world.
But you are not alone. Hang in there. We may be set free in 2016 and after.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)on digging through dumpsters for something to eat. (Be careful with that - no one knows you are there).
'Course, in that case, at least one has dumpsters...
When an Indian state government recently advertized for 368 tea servers and night guards, 2.3 million people applied.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/21/news/economy/india-government-jobs/index.html
Some think we have it bad today with 30, or 600, or 2000 for an open position, but we are surely moving toward what is described in that article.
I've lived through a couple of evolutionary periods in this country, and seen us take apart a perfectly sound system that could have moved us toward a more humane, if still subservient (the IWW was the group demanding equality, but they killed them off and left us with liberals) work environment, and throw it all away to become a debt-based economy which no longer provides the opportunities that only government can.
There is a saying - it is easier to be poor in a poor country than to be poor in a rich country. You, all of us, are living that right now.
Poor in 2015 terms is defined as any household not making at least $250,000 a year, though preferably nearer 500,000.
Sounds like a lot, I know, but EVERYONE else is watching their own incomes decrease in buying power, EXCEPT for that group which our policies are continuing to inflate, and most of the country is paying for that to occur.
Which is why you are tired. You are carrying a whole bunch of really rich folks on your back. Because we don't work together to throw them off.
So take heart. If you are lucky, you get another 70 or 80 years of this. If not, you weren't as lucky. Learn to garden and grow something to eat, and cooperate with your neighbors. Sleep well, but not too much, and take care of yourself.
Things are likely to steadily erode, albeit slowly, so find a place which is as safe as you can make it. Debt free.
Stargazer99
(2,592 posts)reminds me years ago the comment was if you have a TV you are not poor. Th is stupid comment comes from a person who has not experienced poor in this country. You poster who thinks having access to the internet means you are not struggling makes me want to scream...you have no idea of the pain people are in or else you are a con
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)I talk about solutions, about taking care of yourself, learning how to survive and cooperate with our neighbors. I don't really care to justify what I do to some anon wisp of the inet, and never will, but rest assured I have enough issues to keep 3 families in poverty, so know I am well versed. Thanks for your concern.
I believe an injury to one is an injury to all.
I know the comment you speak of, and this said nothing like that, but if that is your way, so be it.
So, with my little suggestion, if I help my neighbor, I help them AND us. And if I keep them from being hurt, I save myself and others pain. It may not work, but sitting around complaining is certainly going to leave one in worse condition, because our opponents never rest. So there is no time for feeling sorry for oneself. Your mileage may vary.
Your comment above, on the other hand, seeks to belittle my small effort, clearly ignorant of my experience in the past and now with poverty and eldercare.
But that isn't surprising, because it is probably hard to see things from way up there, atop your...
High Horse of Self Righteousness
We won't need to talk any longer.
salib
(2,116 posts)The extreme stress of impending financial ruin. It is a terrible legacy we are leaving our children.
We must change this.
I certainly appreciate the exhaustion.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Thank you for sharing your story.
So many of us join you in being so very tired. I know you are someone who wants to add something positive to the world...to be of service to others, as I do. And I have no doubt you are doing so in ways you may not even be aware of each day.
Even this post helps others in a similar place at this moment know they are not alone in their suffering.
Love back to you, and to all who are struggling to get through each day as best you can.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)My corporate masters told us last week that our jobs are being moved from Maryland to Georgia. Because of ailing and elderly parents here and other reasons, I can't pack up and move. Which means that age 57 and after 25 years of killing myself for this damn company, I will be on my own and searching for a job within this year. Corporate America sucks, and the sooner everyone realizes that, the better.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)try and scale down your life. Eliminate bills. Ask yourself if you really need some of the things you posses and the bills associated with them?
Many people have gotten around paying rent and mortgages by rethinking housing such as the tiny house movement.
If you think you need a car to get to your job but your car bills are holding you back, maybe rethink your job and get a bike?
If you are by yourself it really comes down 3-4 things: Food, Shelter, Transportation and Medical.
Food bills can be alleviated if not eliminated through gardens and there is even automated indoor garden technology available that make the job of producing your own food much easier now and virtually idiot-proof.
Shelter. I already mentioned the tiny house movement which is a way to help get around some of the large recurring bills associated with housing yourself. If you look at the square footage size of housing today it makes sense to rethink how much space we really need.
Transportation. Our jobs typically impose the necessity of expensive vehicles on us. But we can always rethink that and require our job be within walking or bicycle distance, or even entirely online.
It's difficult to shake the consumerist world off but it can be done. (It's really about losing the things you think you need and then letting the world work with you. For instance, a few years ago my car was totaled and I just decided I wasn't going to replace it. Why would I want such a financial burden in my life?)
As Jay Shafer says, it's also about finding the "loopholes around mandatory consumption laws":
Stargazer99
(2,592 posts)Get a load on reality-the richest nation in the world cannot or willnot take care of its own....but it has plenty of money to send low income sons/daughters to war for oil, cheap labor..its people like you that tick me off
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)that the system is not going to take care of you and you have to figure out how to do it yourself. It's rather going to try and use you. Stop telling people they have no choice but to go to war or become someone else's cheap labor. If you can give your labor to others, you can give it to yourself instead.
It's you who doesn't know what you're talking about.
Stargazer99
(2,592 posts)Not all of your solutions are available to everyone what I object to is the implication that one is not doing everything they can to survive. We need to raise hell with the system....we are not a bunch of animals that deprive others of life's needs - We have brains and intelligence the Creator gave us....compassion and love is supposed to be a human trait-animals only fight others for existence and take away life to continue theirs...is it too much to think we are not animals and conduct our behavior on a higher level?
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)I'll be over here posting possible solutions that may help someone right now.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)This is why. It doesn't change anything 99% of the time. Different job, different city, different house. There's no difference. Except you're now in the hole even worse because you changed jobs (have to wait to be paid), or moved (it's not free, nor as easy as some think).
You get to the point where it breaks your spirit to think about packing up and moving, or finding time to go on the rounds putting in applications (lots of places, still in person only). If you had anything to sell, it's long gone. And it's probably something you wish you had back, because you need it now.
Changing jobs, going back to school, moving, cutting expenses, selling everything except the clothes on your back might work for some people. But if you're older, or physically in bad shape, or tied down with kids or other obligations, lecturing someone about getting rid of what is probably the only luxury they have to break up the horror of their days is cruel and unsympathetic.
And it never fails that someone will pop into these threads and tell the OP just what they need to do to get back on top. If only it were that easy, don't you think we knew about it already? It's not like we haven't been lectured about it enough.
Food bills can be alleviated if not eliminated through gardens and there is even automated indoor garden technology available that make the job of producing your own food much easier now and virtually idiot-proof.
Except, we don't control the weather. Too much or too little rain, a bug infestation that you can't afford the treatment for, ravaging animals you can't control, because you can't afford fencing (that shit ain't cheap), and you see the money and effort you put into gardening go bye-bye.
And who can afford automated technology for indoor (or outdoor) gardening? If we had that kind of money, we wouldn't be in the shape we're in.
Shelter. I already mentioned the tiny house movement which is a way to help get around some of the large recurring bills associated with housing yourself. If you look at the square footage size of housing today it makes sense to rethink how much space we really need.
Except, we have to have land for these tiny houses. And the money to build them. If we had that, we wouldn't be in the shape we're in. And there are still bills to be paid, like taxes, and house repairs don't stop just because it's tiny.
I live in a 1100 square foot single wide trailer. That's about as small as you can get for four people and not end up killing each other. Some days, it's a close call. I still have expenses. It's a bitch to heat or cool, and it's over twenty years old, so it's falling apart. But what other option do I have? Give it up and move? And pay rent? For something no better, and likely worse? Right.
Transportation. Our jobs typically impose the necessity of expensive vehicles on us. But we can always rethink that and require our job be within walking or bicycle distance, or even entirely online.
And now we're back to the moving to be closer to a job thing. Except, it's not usually any better anywhere else, and you're starting over with nothing. Not everybody can bike or walk to work, not everybody can find a job online. It's not realistic.
Sure, people who can figure out a way to change their situation should do so. But it needs to be understood that not everyone has options. We need help, not a slap in the face.
Stargazer99
(2,592 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Nobody is going to change the whole system in a day or with any kind of ease either. I guarantee you that.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Thank you so very much.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Or should the OP just give up? Yes life sucks and the system sucks but should we roll over and play dead or should we try to do something about it?
Basically, when you are in this type of situation you have two choices or a combination thereof. Find a way to increase your income or find a way to reduce expenses. There really is not anything else you can do.
On the income side that includes employment or government benefits or some combination of those two.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)The rich are pissing all over the rest of us and we are all on the edge of absolute poverty.
But it's NOT going to be this way forever. In fact, I would say you only have 1 to 3 years before there will be a huge change. Its been building up, everyone knows it. It is gathering momentum, slowly forming all around you.
The mighty will come tumbling down and our economic system will be more democratic.
tosh
(4,424 posts)I truly hope the change comes that soon.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I once was complaining because my savings was being reduced to buy a new water heater. Then I remembered - that is what savings are for.
I hate apartments though, and fortunately have mostly stayed out of them.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)And I know the feeling.
From the first day you've given me the impression that you are a fine, fine person, passionate and articulate. I'm sorry you are going through this, I have stories I could tell you, but each of us has our own journey. I can say this with confidence: things, whatever those "things" are, will get better for you
Much respect
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)StarzGuy
(254 posts)I'm at a similar point other than I am disabled and rely on my meager disability payments. I've worked ever since I was old enough to do so. I thought, as a teacher in a nice district, that I would end up retiring with money in the bank and a nice retirement money., Not so, now I don't even make it to the end of the month to afford both food, medicine, rent, etc. I go to St Mary's food bank to get free food boxes every month.
Now I fear that the 20% cut looming because the republican controlled congress will do nothing to fix the SSDI lack of funding. I'm so tired of fighting just to survive. I'm so, so, so tired of trying. I feel like just giving up.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)every time I think I am getting a little ahead, something comes along to smack me down.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)that's like an open invitation for life to kick you. It never seems to stop.
I let myself think that again this past summer when I filed for SS early. I'd continue working at the hospital and UC center 1-2 days/week. Live off the SS, use the paycheck to finally pay off the student loans and fix up the house or help replace the 17 year old car. With 2 people retiring this fall and a 3rd due to retire any time, it seemed like a sure thing.
Imagine my shock in August when I went missing from the September schedule! The little bit of "found" $$ I was going to use to start fixing up the house is now keeping me afloat until SS kicks in at the end of the year. And now they keep toying with me, contacting me every few weeks to see if I'm available to work and then...silence.
There are jobs advertised, but when you call the jobs either disappear or turn out to be impossible. They've been advertising forever at the local bakery. Turns out they want somebody 70+ hours/week overnight for probably minimum...no wonder they can't fill it. Dawg forbid they should turn it into 2 35 hour jobs...they might not be able to destroy somebody's health totally!
I know the tired. The good thing about my unemployment is I'm finally getting some rest, and at-home projects done, except when I'm to worried to sleep.
Putting the old mattress on a hard surface, like the floor, may help. Otherwise, an air mattress on the floor may be better for your back.
Can you share your apartment, or move into a sharing situation? Not for everyone (believe me, I get that!) but it would really cut expenses...
And yes, having friends and family at your back is a very good thing!
marym625
(17,997 posts)Living with a relative for the first time in my adult life.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Response to F4lconF16 (Original post)
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Curtis
(348 posts)I've been there more than my fair share too. I've been at highs as I ran for the State Assembly in 1992 after eight years working and running campaigns and becoming friends with Cesar Chavez, to being on the verge of homelessness just a few years ago, to owning and running my own businesses, to having my mind broken (PTSD) from the horrific things I've seen as a Firefighter/Medic, and as for money, I've been at the height of six figure income to living on Social Security Disability.
It's always hard to know what to say because no one can understand your struggle because it is your's and your's alone. So, I will say I am sorry life throws these curves and is so very difficult.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I've been there for many, many years.
It helps to kind of turn it around and start thinking that you've done a great deal to stay afloat. It hasn't been easy but you know what? You've managed to actually help yourself with your savings when you needed it most. You need to feel pride in yourself for growing your savings when you could have squandered the money otherwise. That's something to be proud of. You haven't been really shot down in flames because you've dealt with the issues and are still here. You've managed on your own and are still here.
Be proud of your accomplishments and your resilience.
My life feels pretty good when I think of myself in that way.
But I agree with you about your mattress. I sometimes think my 67 year old body would feel better if I slept on the floor. But I know it wouldn't.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)zwyziec
(173 posts)I hope you don't mind. Your message touched me deeply and I wanted to share your feelings with others in my lame attempt to change people's hearts.
You and others who replied with similar stories are the real reason for the need for a Socialist Jew for President.
I have a 54 year old son on disbility living alone, without transporation, unable to get out, very few friends, who lives two states away. He is living in a house we own, does have Medicare and Social Security and we help him out with money and gifts as needed so he has some backstop.
But he is lonely, physically and mentally in pain for decades now and losing hope.
You are in my heart and you are loved!