Remember, conservative evaangelicals think all Catholics are going to hell

[bluestateguy]

Sure, they use them as political allies on issues like abortion, gay marriage and porn, but privately evangelicals do not think of Catholics as "real" Christians. They still think of Catholics as "unsaved".

Most Catholics in this country know that the evangelicals are not their friends.

[randys1]

1. Indeed. The twisted brain of an evangelical is one where ALL people other than their cult

are going to hell

[PeaceNikki]

2. And many Catholics think LGBT folks and women who have abortions

and Atheists and Jews and Muslims are going to hell.

I don't understand your point.

[CurtEastPoint]

5. Ask those questions of lay Catholics and you will find different answers.

The church's party line is not always followed.

[PeaceNikki]

7. Super, but they support an organization which actively works with evangelicals to oppress

women and LGBT. The money they give and support in remaining members strengths efforts to oppress. And Catholic doctrine is clear on the things I mentioned even if the average lay Catholic in the US does not. I stand by my comment. Many Catholics believe those groups are hellbound. And I don't understand why anyone's opinion of who is going to hell is in any way relevant.... to anything.

[yeoman6987]

13. Sorry but Catholics went for president Obama twice.

[PeaceNikki]

14. Apology accepted. But that has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Or is the whole point this thread simply "Catholics rule, evangelicals drool!"?

[yeoman6987]

15. Not really but I just wanted to remind you that

Catholics are not all bad as you seem to believe.

[PeaceNikki]

17. Catholic funded organizations are responsible for closing clinics, passing TRAP laws,

forcing providers to literally lie to patients about abortion, creating fake videos accusing providers of horrific things, defunding Planned Parenthood at the state and federal levels, suing over birth control coverage in the ACA, threatening and literally killing providers.

And that's just on one topic in the US. I could talk about their efforts and successes to thwart same sex marriage or the priest sex abuse scandal, or the antivax efforts in Kenya, or, or or...

Yeah, I think that's bad.

So, back to the OP...Why should we "remember" this? What is the relevance? Who cares who thinks who is damned??

[yeoman6987]

18. Oh wow so the Catholics made those videos ?

Wow. Where did you get that proof from? And I don't hear Catholics talking about the videos at all. Huckster, Cruz, fiorina are not catholic.

[PeaceNikki]

19. The Catholic anti abortion movement is in bed with the rest of these fucks.

[yeoman6987]

20. Doesn't answer the question

[PeaceNikki]

21. Tough. You ignored the rest of what I posted and honed in on that.

[yeoman6987]

31. You ignored my question from your reply.

[PeaceNikki]

32. K.

[Drahthaardogs]

41. IF you knew as much as you though you did about Catholics

you would know that no Catholic professes to know who is or is not in hell or hellbound - including priests, bishops, and Cardinals.

[Skidmore]

23. I think the point is that

Christians are of differing beliefs and allegiances. They are not monolithic. All of the warm fuzzies going around this week does not re present all people who profess belief.

[pnwmom]

24. Catholic lay people are MORE likely to support same-sex marriage than average Americans.

And, as much as you hate the idea, Catholics know that if a Catholic woman is troubled by an abortion, she can receive absolution in Confession. Regardless, almost all of us have known women who have made that decision, and we're not worried that they're going to hell.

[PeaceNikki]

25. You can pick up the subthread here since we seem to have covered that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027203891#post7

[mmonk]

3. Yep. I live in the South.

[WiffenPoof]

4. I tuned in KBRITE

....a religious radio station. On one of their programs, they just couldn't help themselves. They were highly critical of the Popes visit.

[yuiyoshida]

6. Conservative evaangelicals think only they will be saved

and no one else. I don't need a "saved" ticket, I am buddhist.

[jberryhill]

8. Most Catholics, not all

If pressed, many of them will admit "it's possible to be a Catholic and also be a Christian."

[meow2u3]

11. Catholics ARE Christians, contrary to evangelical beliefs

In fact, Catholics are the original Christians. What's now known as the Catholic Church is the church Jesus Himself established. "Catholic" simply means universal, open to everybody, no matter what their race or nationality (to name 2). No offense to evangelical DUers, but the Catholic church is 2000+ years old; evangelical churches are relatively very new.

When an evangelical asks me if I'm a Christian, I tell him or her I'm not just a Christian, but an "original" Christian. I have them stumped every time.

[Gman]

30. The evangelicals would not have a religion

Or a bible were it not for Catholics. They use a bible put together to an almost exclusive degree by a Catholic Church council.

[jberryhill]

34. Yes. The OP is about what evangelicals think

Evangelicals will admit that some Catholics, personally, are Christians.

Obviously, as hardcore Protestants, if they thought the Catholic Church was institutionally "Christian" as they define it, they wouldn't be hardcore Protestants.

[pnwmom]

26. I'm not sure what you mean. All Catholics consider themselves to be following

the traditions of the first Christians -- so all Catholics are Christian. Just as all Episcopalians and all Lutherans etc, are Christian.

It is only some fundamentalists who don't consider Catholics to be Christian.

[jberryhill]

33. Please read the subject line of the OP

The subject line of the OP states that evangelicals believe all Catholics are going to hell.

My reply, based on familiarity with them from years ago, is that evangelicals believe MOST Catholics are not Christians, but some are.

Whether Catholics consider themselves to be Christians has nothing to do with whether evangelicals consider Catholics to be Christians.

In the main, evangelicals think that Catholics worship statues, pray to saints instead of God, and believe good works earn salvation. That, in a nutshell, touches on several reasons why evangelicals tend to view Catholics as having absorbed a lot of paganism in the course of absorbing pagan Europe.

[pnwmom]

36. My confusion was related to the wording of your post, not the OP.

This one:

Most Catholics, not all

If pressed, many of them will admit "it's possible to be a Catholic and also be a Christian."

I misunderstood the word "them" to be referring to Catholics.

[jberryhill]

40. Lol

Yes, I think it would be unanimous read that way.

[kelliekat44]

9. And many call them a cult. nt

[LiberalElite]

37. They're not a cult -

I am the product of 12 years of Catholic schools and mass on Sunday. When I wanted to leave it I did - no deprogramming needed. Just because people call it a cult doesn't make it so.

[sharp_stick]

10. What I find interesting about

evangelicals is that they seem so surprised when I tell them that spending an eternity with all of them sounds like hell to me.

Could you imagine how pathetic a heaven infested with those losers would be?

[PeaceNikki]

12. Why should we "remember" this? What is the relevance?

Who cares who thinks who is damned??

[pnwmom]

27. You brought the subject up so you appear to care. n/t

[PeaceNikki]

28. Lol, I didn't start this OP.

[jberryhill]

35. You willed it to happen

Sorta like how God got people to write the Bible.

Fess up.

[PeaceNikki]

39. I'm just trying to work out what the fucking point of the OP is.

Why are we supposed to remember this?!!!!??? And is it also important to know who the Catholics think will burn in a lake of fire?

Is the point that Catholics rule and others suck? Or is it about the cool mob rule of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

[jberryhill]

42. I'll take a stab at it

There are often suggestions that "heads will explode" among the "Christian conservative" contingent if the Pope expresses the usual sentiments of "take care of poor people, share and don't fight".

Some don't realize it is just as easy for the predominantly evangelical Christian conservative bloc to simply chalk it up to the "anti-Christ whore of Rome" etc..

Or, more likely, it is a momentary fart of someone's id unable to restrain itself from posting a transient impulsive half-formed thought to potentially thousands of readers left to puzzle over it in more depth than the entirely unreflective act of having posted it.

[PeaceNikki]

43. Thanks. Now that's worthy of discussion.

But I tend to agree that it was the momentary fart.

[msongs]

16. some long for the days when protestants were burned at the stake for being no-catholic nt

[PeaceNikki]

22. Maybe, I guess they're the only REAL Christians.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027203891#post11

But also the ones who reject the bulk of their doctrine for the most part, I'm told. So I'm not sure how that works out, but clearly Catholics rule and other Christians drool.

[pnwmom]

29. Catholics don't believe we are the only real Christians.

We recognize the validity of the baptisms of other Christians and don't require them to be re-baptized if they convert to Catholicism or marry in a Catholic ceremony.

But we also DON'T believe that the only true Christians are fundamentalists who take Bible stories literally. They like to call themselves "Christians," but they are not the only Christians.

[jberryhill]

38. Plenty of that on both sides

I remember a conversation with a minister of a particular Protestant denomination when I had brought up the execution of Miguel Servetus by John Calvin.

His response was pretty funny.

"Well the Catholics thought he was a heretic too, and they would have done the same thing."

Which is true, but an amusing defense.