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elleng

(131,053 posts)
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 09:59 PM Sep 2015

It's Official - Pope Francis Demotes Highest-Ranking US Cardinal over LGBT issues.

It's been in the news. Now it has been confirmed. As of this past weekend, Raymond Leo Burke, America's highest-ranking cardinal at the Vatican, was officially removed from the Vatican's Supreme Court, and demoted to chaplain of the Knights of Malta, where he will reign with much less responsibility. The ultra-Conservative and anti-gay cardinal, continuously challenges the jurisdiction of Pope Francis, and the Catholic Church's new receptive stance on homosexuality.

https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/10/1343748/-It-s-Official-Pope-Francis-Demotes-Higest-Ranking-US-Cardinal-Over-LBGT-Issues?detail=email

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It's Official - Pope Francis Demotes Highest-Ranking US Cardinal over LGBT issues. (Original Post) elleng Sep 2015 OP
He is picking up steam in rooting out ass hats. This man is astonishingly roguevalley Sep 2015 #1
From Mon Nov 10, 2014 at 09:23 AM PST, but still a good thing! nt babylonsister Sep 2015 #2
The asshat who made a declaration that Kerry would be denied communion. blm Sep 2015 #3
Ratzemberg??? Who' s that... please? mylye2222 Sep 2015 #20
Ratzinger Mc Mike Sep 2015 #24
Oh yes... I kind of figured out before but wasnt sure. mylye2222 Sep 2015 #26
'No one expects the inquisition!' Mc Mike Sep 2015 #32
Thanks - I got the Rat part right. ; ) blm Sep 2015 #29
True. That's the operative part of the name. Mc Mike Sep 2015 #33
Now let's see him denounce Bill Donohue of "The Catholic League".... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #4
Donahue has no official position whatsoever & there's no reason for the Pope to even recognize his uhnope Sep 2015 #6
I figured the Catholic League was a Right Wing front group. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #7
Not sure, but I can guess who he's in league with. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #10
The devil.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #11
He's a reasonable facsimile thereof. Elmer S. E. Dump Sep 2015 #17
It is. Or rather MBS Sep 2015 #16
Yes, thank you. People don't realize that he does not speak for anyone except himself. MBS Sep 2015 #15
It would be better if Bruke had to come back to Boston TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #5
Burke is from St. Louis, not Boston. MBS Sep 2015 #13
You got me TexasProgresive Sep 2015 #22
Taking out the garbage is just good housekeeping nikto Sep 2015 #8
" " " n/t MBS Sep 2015 #14
I hear there is a warm seat in the US Congress for such garbage erronis Sep 2015 #31
I wish he would move a little bit on the women's rights front too progree Sep 2015 #9
Burke deserves to be demoted for many, many reasons MBS Sep 2015 #12
That guy was a douche bag. Gore1FL Sep 2015 #18
I did notice the date: MON NOV 10, 2014 Gore1FL Sep 2015 #19
I thought this sounded deja vu'ish Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #27
PLEASE, JESUS, DEMOTE SCALIA NEXT! n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #21
I don't understand the fuss. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #23
Shhh don't kill their wishful thinking w/ logic nt LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #25
He was our Bishop here in La Crosse, WI. a kennedy Sep 2015 #28
November 2014 Gman Sep 2015 #30
Can you offer any actual support for your assertion that he was demoted last year for being anti gay Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #34

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
1. He is picking up steam in rooting out ass hats. This man is astonishingly
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:21 PM
Sep 2015

courageous. May he be safe. There is a conservative backlash building in the church hierarchies over him but they will lose. They don't have the love of the people. Go, Frances. Safely.

blm

(113,082 posts)
3. The asshat who made a declaration that Kerry would be denied communion.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 10:36 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:38 AM - Edit history (1)

And he received that OK from Ratzinger who did NOT clear it with Pope John Paul who actually disliked GWBush and saw him as evil.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
4. Now let's see him denounce Bill Donohue of "The Catholic League"....
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:17 PM
Sep 2015

Remember him?

The guy who said marriage has nothing to do with love.

(Among other gems)

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
6. Donahue has no official position whatsoever & there's no reason for the Pope to even recognize his
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:33 PM
Sep 2015

existence

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Yes, thank you. People don't realize that he does not speak for anyone except himself.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:10 AM
Sep 2015

And Donahue does everything he can to mislead people into thinking he has some sort of official voice.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
5. It would be better if Bruke had to come back to Boston
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:19 PM
Sep 2015

and face criminal charges for knowingly moving pedophile predatory priests around.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
31. I hear there is a warm seat in the US Congress for such garbage
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:49 PM
Sep 2015

Nothing wrong with a sinful prelate being the apostate-in-chief. Boner was also a "good" Catholic (gotta remember to use the cap-C since lower-case "c" are ok/OK.)

Since fake religiosity seems to be the Order Of The Day in most religions and congress, we have a made-in-heaven congruence.

progree

(10,911 posts)
9. I wish he would move a little bit on the women's rights front too
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 11:44 PM
Sep 2015
Pope visits U.S. nuns involved in Obamacare contraception lawsuit, 9/24/15

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-visits-u-nuns-involved-obamacare-contraception-lawsuit-021905130.html

Pope Francis on Wednesday made an unscheduled stop to a convent of nuns to show his support for their lawsuit against U.S. President Barack Obama's healthcare law.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said the visit to the convent of the Little Sisters of the Poor for what he called a "brief but symbolic visit."

Last August, a federal appeals court in Denver put on hold its ruling that the order of Roman Catholic nuns must comply with a contraception mandate in the law, giving the group time to petition the U.S. Supreme Court.

.. The Sisters argued that the law forces them to provide insurance coverage for their employees to support contraception and sterilization services in violation of their religious beliefs, or face steep fines.


(the Sisters don't have to pay for the insurance, all they have to do is notify the federal government that they are opting out of the requirement, and then a 3rd party or their insurer pays for it. But the Sisters argue that even providing an opt-out notification makes them complicit in providing sterilization and contraceptive coverage)

MBS

(9,688 posts)
12. Burke deserves to be demoted for many, many reasons
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:07 AM
Sep 2015

He is the nasty guy who tried to deny communion to John Kerry and all other Catholic pro-choice congressional Democrats in 2004. . and overtly campaigned for Bush and the Republican agenda in 2004, a transgression which marked him on my enemies list forever for that alone. It's not just anti-gay (bad enough)-- it's EVERYTHING. He is the worst of the worst-- the kind of person who gives religion a bad name.

I couldn't be more delighted by his declining fortunes..
FYI, this is good news, but also old news -- it happened almost a year ago. But I always like to read as many stories as possible about any problems befalling this total a __ hole.
Thanks for reminding me.

Gore1FL

(21,147 posts)
18. That guy was a douche bag.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 12:19 AM
Sep 2015

I'm not a Catholic, but I live in St. Louis. Everything that guy did that made news, was totally embedded in pure asshole intent. It's like Ted Cruz took from his play book.

Seriously, fuck this guy. Good on the least worst pope, ever!

Behind the Aegis

(53,974 posts)
23. I don't understand the fuss.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:54 AM
Sep 2015

Besides being almost a year old, did he really demote the Cardinal "over LGBT issues?" All I can see is an anti-GLBT Cardinal was demoted...good, I guess. To be quite honest, I am only seeing shades of lipstick.

a kennedy

(29,694 posts)
28. He was our Bishop here in La Crosse, WI.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 08:10 AM
Sep 2015

Bishop of La Crosse[edit] (from Wikipedia)

On December 10, 1994, Pope John Paul II named Burke as Bishop of La Crosse, consecrating him to the episcopate on January 6, 1995, in St. Peter's Basilica.[11] Burke took possession of the See of La Crosse on February 22, 1995.[11]

In 2000 Burke convened the fifth diocesan synod for the Diocese of La Crosse, which resulted in the publication of Synod V, acts : celebrated June 11–14, 2000 in 2003.[12] He was also named a Knight Commander with Star of the Order of the Holy Sepulchre in 1997 and received the Canon Law Society of America's Role of Law award in 2000.[4] In 2002, he was influential in founding the Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem, an order of Augustinian canons dedicated to the traditional form of the liturgy.[13]

During his tenure as Bishop of La Crosse, Burke constructed a shrine dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe, patroness of the Americas.[14][15][16][17] He also installed a shrine to the Sacred Heart in the diocesan cathedral, reflecting his desire to encourage spiritual devotions.[18]

Some priests in the Diocese of La Crosse have claimed that Burke's leadership there was divisive. The construction of the shrine, the diocese's withdrawal from Church World Service's annual Crop Walk, and his welcoming of traditional religious orders allegedly alienated some.[19]

The shrine does bring in tons of people from around the world to La Crosse, and it is on one of the most beautiful bluffs in our area.....but people are still really ticked off about the way it got built.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
34. Can you offer any actual support for your assertion that he was demoted last year for being anti gay
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

No, of course you can't. Because that's not what happened, that's not what was said and you know it. This is an old story being brought up to serve an agenda but the problem with it is that like most of these 'Francis is pro gay' pieces it is fully concocted conjecture, free of citation, free of quotation, devoid of substance and existing only as a fabricated claim designed to serve a rhetorical objective. In short, it is the bearing of false witness, a bogus introduction of fantasy presented as fact.

Prove your assertion. You won't because you can't.

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