Donald Trump says vaccinations are causing an autism 'epidemic'

[workinclasszero]

Donald Trump says vaccinations are causing an autism 'epidemic'
He claimed rates are 'totally out of control'
ALEXANDRA SIMS Thursday 17 September 2015

Donald Trump has linked vaccinations to what he dubbed an autism “epidemic” during a presidential debate.

Mr Trump, who is the current frontrunner among the Republican presidential hopefuls, claimed autism rates have risen into an “epidemic” over the last few decades that is “totally out of control”.

“Autism has become an epidemic. 25 years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, it’s not even close. It has gotten totally out of control,” he said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-says-vaccinations-are-causing-an-autism-epidemic-10505087.html

WOO! Republicanism will kill us all.

[randys1]

1. Without checking I assume he is full of shit as to the numbers being higher now.

[Egnever]

2. No the numbers are definitely higher now

But there are a lot of factors involved in that including broader ranges of autism classification.

[yeoman6987]

30. Would spreading out the vaccines help at all

Although dr Carson is not a good politician, he is a doctor and sorta agreed with spacing vaccines out some but still get them all.

[Egnever]

31. No idea

I don't honestly think vaccinations have anything to do with it

[yeoman6987]

32. I doubt it too

The only good I can see from it would be less pain at one time with the needles.

[Garrett78]

38. No.

http://www.npr.org/2015/09/17/441222497/an-alternative-vaccination-schedule-actually-presents-more-risks-than-benefits

And help with what? Since there's no link between vaccines and autism, what would be the supposed benefit to spacing them out? There's nothing wrong with the vaccine schedule as is, and spacing out vaccines poses a health risk. It allows for more time during which a child can contract a disease.

[gcomeau]

3. Diagnostic criteria have changed significantly... -eom

[shenmue]

4. Nothing he said is accurate

[kpete]

5. Rump Roast

[proverbialwisdom]

6. Remarks in 2014 by Dr Tom Insel, Director of National Institute of Mental Health & head of IACC.

http://pic.twitter.com/yiHBv7yDCa

"...the burden of proof is upon anybody who feels that there is NOT a real increase here in the number of kids affected."
- Dr. Thomas Insel, Director of National Institute of Mental Health and head of Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee (IACC)

10:02 AM - 27 Mar 2014

http://www.northjersey.com/news/report-new-jersey-s-autism-rate-is-the-highest-in-the-u-s-1.752693#sthash.XyuaB0ms.dpuf

“The increase could be a growing number of children with autism or better screening or a combination of both,” said Dr. Coleen Boyle, the CDC’s director of the national center of birth defects and developmental disabilities.

Related: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014766480

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Dr Insel joins GOOGLE Life Sciences, September 2015:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/16/health/tom-insel-national-institute-of-mental-health-resign.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2015/09/15/google-life-sciences-hires-the-governments-top-brain-scientist/
http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/15/9330249/google-alphabet-thomas-insel-hired-life-sciences-nimh
http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/09/if-the-iacc-had-met-it-would-have-to-consider-the-cdc-whistleblower.html

[NuclearDem]

12. Again, yes, you're an anti-vaxxer. We get it.

You can push the meme that it's entirely cases--and not better and expanded diagnostic criteria--all you want, but it won't make it any less dishonest.

[zappaman]

16. yep, here they come to show us "critical thinking" skills.

[Oneironaut]

14. The problem is that it's a circular argument.

It is already assumed that vaccinations cause autism before the statement tries to prove that vaccines cause autism.

[zappaman]

19. You're a Democrat AND an anti-vaxxer who thinks vaccines cause autism.

Only one of those things is really fucking embarrassing.

[zappaman]

25. That's okay. Trust me, we are all embarrassed for you.

[SidDithers]

22. From the poster who thinks Andrew Wakefield will be the Carl Sagan of this generation...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4479311



Sid

[zappaman]

23. !!!

[Warpy]

7. Well, at least he's consistent

and wrong about everything.

Of course, no reporter has ever had the courage to ask him where he got his medical degree.

[yeoman6987]

33. University of Michigan school of medicine

You think a neurosurgeon didn't go to school? The same doctor who separated a set of twins?




I know you were being sarcastic and getting back at the Repugs who don't believe president Obama went to school either. Silly.

[Warpy]

34. Gee, and here I thought Trump went to Wharton

Now you tell me he went to medical school, too.

What a Renaissance man! Maybe he should be president!

[SheilaT]

8. At least some significant

percentage of the increase is better diagnosis.

Several decades ago our culture did a better job of tolerating odd people and odd behavior. When my oldest son was first diagnosed with Asperger's, about 15 years ago, and I'd explain Asperger's to people, a surprising number said things like, "That's just like great-uncle Kevin!"

[packman]

9. I would have loved for a reporter to ask -

1. Were you vaccinated as a child?
2. Were your children vaccinated?

Total asshole

[Rex]

11. 3. Did you eat your brain?

4. What year did you sell your soul to the devil?

[proverbialwisdom]

15. Yes & Yes. Q for you-> What are VAERS, NVICP and NCVIA ('86 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act)?

ANS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=115815

Of course, "autism" is not listed on the Vaccine Injury Table of covered vaccines and associated injuries (see column on left):

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html

[NuclearDem]

17. Because vaccines don't fucking cause autism.

Same reason auto insurance doesn't cover pregnancy.

[Rex]

20. No no...don't you see it is "autism" and not autism.

Somebodies tinfoil hat was clamped down with self-sealing stem bolts!

[Rex]

21. Oh you mean "autism" and not autism...carry on then...

[Chemisse]

29. I doubt he knows.

That kind of thing is taken care of by the 'little lady."

[Rex]

10. Wow did Dumb Dumb really go there?

[OnlinePoker]

13. This is from last month's Wired

It is a great history of autism and how it used to be diagnosed versus how it is done now.

http://www.wired.com/2015/08/neurotribes-with-steve-silberman/

[Garrett78]

37. You beat me to it.

I heard Silberman get interviewed on NPR recently and I look forward to reading his book. It's interesting to note the impact that Rain Man had on the diagnosis of autism.

I really wish both the anti-vaccine and anti-GMO people would cease and desist. Their arguments are unscientific and not at all supported by the facts. When kooky conspiracies, such as the existence of chemtrails, are believed by a tiny fringe element of society, I don't much worry about it. But then there are dangerous ideas that become far too common.

[muntrv]

26. Donald hearts measels.

[Marrah_G]

27. The reason we have Anti-Vaxxers is...

Because we don't have enough people who remember what life was like without vaccines. Those days were not fun.

[spanone]

28. psssss don is full of shit.

[mnhtnbb]

35. Do you suppose he's looking for an endorsement from RFK, Jr?

[ecstatic]

36. I think we need to look at pesticides, bpa, aspartame, etc.

There is a lot of potentially toxic (yet legal) shit in our environment, unfortunately.