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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:54 PM Sep 2015

Irving Police Chief: Race Had Nothing to Do With Student's Arrest

Facing a national outcry over the arrest of a teenager who brought a homemade clock to school, Irving’s chief of police said Wednesday that the arrest had nothing to do with the student’s race.

On Wednesday, Irving Police Chief Larry Boyd said that the arresting officers quickly determined there was no immediate threat the device would detonate, which is why they did not evacuate the high school. The officers weren’t sure if Ahmed had intended to cause alarm, so they took him into custody, Boyd said.

“When we attempted to question the student about what it was, what it was for, why he brought it to school, he only said it was a clock,” McLellan said. “Not knowing what he was going to do or why he had it, with the information they had, the arrest was appropriate.”

“He was very short and abrupt with the officers, and he would maintain to us only that it was a clock,” McLellan said. “If he’d been more — if he’d explained what he explained to the media — I’d venture to say the outcome may well have been different.”



http://www.texastribune.org/2015/09/16/irving-police-drop-charges-against-muslim-student/


Go on, Chief Boyd... pull the other one, too.

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Irving Police Chief: Race Had Nothing to Do With Student's Arrest (Original Post) LanternWaste Sep 2015 OP
cool story, chief KG Sep 2015 #1
But, explain again, why he was ARRESTED? What'd his teacher Hortensis Sep 2015 #13
exactly Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #35
But it was a fucking clock malaise Sep 2015 #2
"He was very short and abrupt with the officers", Rose Siding Sep 2015 #20
Abrupt because he couldn't say the clock was more than a clock malaise Sep 2015 #36
Ahmed is probably tired of really stupid people, too. csziggy Sep 2015 #39
In other words, succinct and honest. Only a clock is ... Only a clock. suffragette Sep 2015 #44
Liiiiiiiars. Hong Kong Cavalier Sep 2015 #3
Of course, his nationality had NOTHING to do with it...nothing at all. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2015 #4
I think he's Egyptian--they probably would have liked him better if he'd been MADem Sep 2015 #8
I read in another story that he's Sudanese brush Sep 2015 #15
You are correct. Father is from the Sudan. MADem Sep 2015 #34
Of course it wasn't RACE... IT WAS RELIGION!!!!! MADem Sep 2015 #5
Bullshit, Chief MrScorpio Sep 2015 #6
This! yuiyoshida Sep 2015 #7
Not knowing what he was going to do or why he had it sarisataka Sep 2015 #9
It was a CLOCK. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #10
Has the head pig leftynyc Sep 2015 #11
Just as I thought ... GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #12
I think you are finding a disturbing trend with these posts. Rex Sep 2015 #26
Yeah, I'm sure if he looked like this he would have gotten arrested: Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2015 #14
Race Had Nothing to Do With Student's Arrest left-of-center2012 Sep 2015 #16
yet another reason police lack credibility tishaLA Sep 2015 #17
OK, "IF it wasn't racial", BarbaRosa Sep 2015 #18
Iggo from DU: Oh bullshit. Iggo Sep 2015 #19
"Yup. That's who I thought it was." = obviously nothing to do with race Statistical Sep 2015 #21
"The officers weren’t sure if Ahmed had intended to cause alarm", clock, get it...LOL. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #22
yea chief and trump thinks Obama was born in the usa spanone Sep 2015 #23
Bovine Fertilizer Chief Boyd n/t irisblue Sep 2015 #24
City council needs to re-evaluate his job security. Rex Sep 2015 #25
It's his fault...he was "short and abrupt." OMFG alcibiades_mystery Sep 2015 #27
Um, the constitution called . . . geek tragedy Sep 2015 #28
Whatever chief damnedifIknow Sep 2015 #29
Doubling down on a bad decision. n/t cloudbase Sep 2015 #30
Yeah, right. Solly Mack Sep 2015 #31
What time is it, Chief Boyd? RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #32
He just admitted his officers acted illegally. Taitertots Sep 2015 #33
Bullshit. Nt NutmegYankee Sep 2015 #37
I wonder is the boy may be somewhere on the autism spectrum Lee-Lee Sep 2015 #38
I'm not an expert, but I did not get that impression at all from the video of Ahmed describing enough Sep 2015 #40
"If so, that can explain his giving short, factual response and not grasping the situation" BumRushDaShow Sep 2015 #41
... Maven Sep 2015 #42
As a rule, I assume everything a LEO says is a lie. nt RedCappedBandit Sep 2015 #43

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. But, explain again, why he was ARRESTED? What'd his teacher
Reply to KG (Reply #1)
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:19 PM
Sep 2015

have to say, or wasn't he asked about it -- before this student was ARRESTED? If it weren't for social media, Ahmed'd still be in jail and too likely be railroaded to a conviction to protect the guilty.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
20. "He was very short and abrupt with the officers",
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:51 PM
Sep 2015

according to the officers who didn't think they could get away with "he's going for my gun!" or "stop resisting!" this time.

Anything -anything- to try to make the kid look bad.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
36. Abrupt because he couldn't say the clock was more than a clock
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:14 PM
Sep 2015

I'm so tired of really stupid people

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
39. Ahmed is probably tired of really stupid people, too.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:22 PM
Sep 2015

Poor kid, being really smart in an Idiocracy world!

At least this incident seems to be opening up opportunities for him that he may never had gotten. I hope he's not overwhelmed by the attention.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
44. In other words, succinct and honest. Only a clock is ... Only a clock.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:53 PM
Sep 2015

Good thing he didn't say more. Who knows how they would have tried to twist anything else he said.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,573 posts)
3. Liiiiiiiars.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 03:59 PM
Sep 2015

One of the officers, upon seeing him for the first time ever, said "Yup. That’s who I thought it was."

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. I think he's Egyptian--they probably would have liked him better if he'd been
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:05 PM
Sep 2015

a Coptic Christian and not a Sufi Muslim....

brush

(53,791 posts)
15. I read in another story that he's Sudanese
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:26 PM
Sep 2015

Still black and still Muslim so that warrants "arresting while carrying a clock" in Texas.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. You are correct. Father is from the Sudan.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:25 PM
Sep 2015
Ahmed's father Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, who is originally from Sudan, said his son had been mistreated because of his name "and because of 11 September".


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34266389

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. Of course it wasn't RACE... IT WAS RELIGION!!!!!
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:01 PM
Sep 2015

Another moron who thinks "Islam" and "Muslim" are "races."

And...since ya have to spell things out here, another moron who thinks that "Muslim=Terrorist"....

Muslims come in all colors of the rainbow, there, chief....

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
17. yet another reason police lack credibility
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:34 PM
Sep 2015

even when it's patently obvious that it had everything to do with race, they insist it didn't.

Statistical

(19,264 posts)
21. "Yup. That's who I thought it was." = obviously nothing to do with race
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:52 PM
Sep 2015
When Ahmed was called out of class, he said he was brought into a room with four police officers, one of whom said, "Yup. That's who I thought it was."

Ahmed told the Dallas Morning News that he felt aware of what he looked like and his name as the officers fired questions at him.

He recalled that one officer said to him, "So you tried to make a bomb?"

He disputed that and kept telling them he'd created a clock.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. City council needs to re-evaluate his job security.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015

Why did they need to know what he was going to do with it? It is a CLOCK. A CLOCK. What does one need to know about a clock?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. Um, the constitution called . . .
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:06 PM
Sep 2015
The officers weren’t sure if Ahmed had intended to cause alarm, so they took him into custody


Guilty until proven innocent is not the standard. Probable cause is, and they had none.

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
31. Yeah, right.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:09 PM
Sep 2015

Sure, blame the victim.

You scare the shit out of a young man by handcuffing him, removing him from school, then interrogating him - and somehow it's his fault for telling you a clock is a clock.

I'm sure the young man is sorry for assuming you were at least smart enough to know what a clock is and what it does.

Yeah, yeah. You wanted more than him telling you it is clock....because, you know, it had to be something more to it than that....and you didn't once base your thinking on the kid's skin hue, or his name.

Sure. I buy that.









 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
33. He just admitted his officers acted illegally.
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 05:12 PM
Sep 2015

There was no probable cause to support the arrest. He admits that they were aware that no threat existed and unaware of any intent to cause alarm.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
38. I wonder is the boy may be somewhere on the autism spectrum
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:18 PM
Sep 2015

His video kind of gave that impression to me.

If so, that can explain his giving short, factual response and not grasping the situation and that he needed to explain more.

And I'll bet Irving gives their officers zero training on dealing with such individuals.

I still can't figure out why the school even called the cops...

enough

(13,259 posts)
40. I'm not an expert, but I did not get that impression at all from the video of Ahmed describing
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:35 PM
Sep 2015

what happened. He seems like a carefully-spoken young person describing what was certainly a difficult and puzzling situation with a lot of poise and directness. He's surely still processing what happened, as are his parents.

BumRushDaShow

(129,103 posts)
41. "If so, that can explain his giving short, factual response and not grasping the situation"
Wed Sep 16, 2015, 06:35 PM
Sep 2015

Most immigrant POC who come to the U.S. have no concept of the U.S. virulent form of racism - and notably that by a number of LOE. When these folks come here, they are often fleeing a whole different dynamic of violent oppression that is light years away from the nonsensical color line justice practiced in the U.S.

This is why you see so many references about black parents giving their sons (and daughters) "the talk" (and it's not the birds and the bees). It's for survival.





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