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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:02 PM Sep 2015

Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/12/baptist-pastor-crushes-kim-davis-and-the-hypocrisy-of-his-fellow-evangelicals-in-open-letter/

Rather than persuading Americans to see evangelicals in a positive light, Pastor Russell Williams of McCormick Road Baptist Church in Florida says that Davis and her fans are actually hurting Christianity by committing hypocrisy and acting so vile that it turns people away from religion.

Williams wrote a post on Facebook thoroughly crushing Davis and her persecution complex, becoming one of the few evangelical pastors in a southern state to openly blast the homophobic Kentucky clerk and her anti-gay supporters.

“This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief,” Williams correctly stated. “She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.”

He then points out a huge hypocrisy committed by Davis herself: the fact that she has been married four times.

Williams goes on to accuse Davis of running a get-rich quick scheme by crusading against gay people in an effort to become a martyr who the right-wing will raise money for, and says that evangelicals are losing because they don’t practice what they preach. He also called upon evangelicals to stop trying to force America into becoming a Christian nation.
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Baptist Pastor Crushes Kim Davis And The Hypocrisy Of His Fellow Evangelicals In Open Letter (Original Post) RKP5637 Sep 2015 OP
Bingo shenmue Sep 2015 #1
It's refreshing to see a Baptist pastor call out the bullshit going on with Kim Davis and her herd. RKP5637 Sep 2015 #2
Yeah shenmue Sep 2015 #4
I've never understood why Pastors don't stand up to these jerks. Rather, they RKP5637 Sep 2015 #8
Yeah shenmue Sep 2015 #9
Yep, these individuals and those of their ilk have headlined religions as endless bigotry and RKP5637 Sep 2015 #10
amen icarusxat Sep 2015 #52
The Main problem I had in the Baptist Church True Blue American Sep 2015 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author noel711 Sep 2015 #69
Slava Bogu! JustADumbFireman Sep 2015 #34
:) shenmue Sep 2015 #36
This pastor should prepare himself... Segami Sep 2015 #3
It should prove interesting. If she continues the same BS I do hope the RKP5637 Sep 2015 #7
Expect Huckabee.... Segami Sep 2015 #11
Yep, all set here too! RKP5637 Sep 2015 #13
I am sure huckleberry will serve the 6 months like he said he would. LiberalArkie Sep 2015 #26
I'm willing to oblige him......... lastlib Sep 2015 #50
That would give new meaning to the phrase... Different Drummer Sep 2015 #66
It has been coming; the Evangelical Churches, like this Baptist Church, are bringing a Bible debate DhhD Sep 2015 #54
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #5
Well good for him. It's about time someone from the evangelical napi21 Sep 2015 #6
It's good to see this. The Christian "brand" has been poisoned by people like Davis n/t Gore1FL Sep 2015 #12
She portrays religion as all about hatred, bigotry and evilness, That, is the message she is RKP5637 Sep 2015 #21
Attitudes that people like her have... Different Drummer Sep 2015 #67
Definitely! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #68
I wonder. ChazInAz Sep 2015 #14
So often individuals such as Kim Davis know very little about religion. They are RKP5637 Sep 2015 #15
Because you understand it the old traditional way and jwirr Sep 2015 #37
Because both parts of being an atheistic buddhist Volaris Sep 2015 #49
thank you for articulating what I have felt for a long time... icarusxat Sep 2015 #53
Yay. Good for him. Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2015 #16
this is actually very important: Davis can't present it anymore as a good and pious Baptist MisterP Sep 2015 #17
This coming week should prove quite interesting. Millions are starting to see her for what RKP5637 Sep 2015 #19
This is what needs to be shouted from the rooftops. longship Sep 2015 #18
Yes, he has definitely done a very good thing. My hope is more Pastors will follow than RKP5637 Sep 2015 #20
I don't like it in the name of religion anymore than in the name of atheism. longship Sep 2015 #22
... RKP5637 Sep 2015 #24
People like her and their leaders (Huckabee,Robertson,Graham et al) have turned me against religion. AlinPA Sep 2015 #23
Same here. Years ago I was pretty neutral about religion. I went to church in my youth. RKP5637 Sep 2015 #25
Opportunist Huckabee swooped down on Kim Davis and swallowed her up. Dustlawyer Sep 2015 #32
He's after "a cut of the gate", for sure! lastlib Sep 2015 #51
Just when you're getting disgusted with religion in general and evangelical religion in particular Warpy Sep 2015 #27
Yep, he did a very good thing, I hope more follow his lead! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #29
Ah..a Jimmy Carter Baptist Tsiyu Sep 2015 #28
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #30
My fav part - he points out that she 4_TN_TITANS Sep 2015 #31
Amen Baby! vlyons Sep 2015 #33
Thank you, and very well said!!! RKP5637 Sep 2015 #38
My first thought - is this minister from a Black Baptist jwirr Sep 2015 #35
Quite true, they are! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #39
Nope Tanuki Sep 2015 #42
Then this is even better. He is telling the part of the jwirr Sep 2015 #57
And this former Baptist says--Amen! classof56 Sep 2015 #40
K&R! n/t RKP5637 Sep 2015 #41
Good for him. yardwork Sep 2015 #43
K&R. He makes so much sense. eom lunamagica Sep 2015 #44
After all, Jesus did not try to force Jews into becoming a Christian nation. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #45
Most of the goofy indcoctrinated can't think for themselves mdbl Sep 2015 #46
That's the whole idea behind indoctrination Major Nikon Sep 2015 #62
This man gets it! nt raccoon Sep 2015 #47
This quote is why I had a bumper sticker made phylny Sep 2015 #48
Yep ...there are a few believers who get it right. L0oniX Sep 2015 #56
You Can't "Out-Evangelical" An Evangelical NonMetro Sep 2015 #58
I didn't get that from what he wrote Major Nikon Sep 2015 #60
Preach it brother /nt workinclasszero Sep 2015 #59
At last! NastyRiffraff Sep 2015 #61
Good For Him colsohlibgal Sep 2015 #63
And an SBC congregation to boot..... paleotn Sep 2015 #64
Some Baptist churches are not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. Could it be that DhhD Sep 2015 #65
my first impression was this has got to be.... paleotn Sep 2015 #70
American Baptists (ABC-USA) believe in strict separation of church and state. n/t ColesCountyDem Sep 2015 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #71

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
2. It's refreshing to see a Baptist pastor call out the bullshit going on with Kim Davis and her herd.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:09 PM
Sep 2015

It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
9. Yeah
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:19 PM
Sep 2015

I think even some of the old hardliners are starting to see that you can't live a faithful, loving life if you are full of hatred and agitation. Maybe it's *not* all about being angry at the right people.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
10. Yep, these individuals and those of their ilk have headlined religions as endless bigotry and
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:35 PM
Sep 2015

hatred. The KKK did the same, burning crosses, etc. Really, who in their right mind wants to be associated with all of this hatred and bigotry. I'm not a religious person, but I do remember well being told in my youth, beware of the devil, he will come cloaked in disguises. To me, these jerks are disciples from hell cloaked in fake religion.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
55. The Main problem I had in the Baptist Church
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:05 AM
Sep 2015

I just left is because of the hate and bigotry I heard from the Pulpit,followed by many members.

The hate of our President was awful.

I am glad to have a Minister from the Baptist Church speak out. The harm this is causing in the Bjurch is really bad.

Response to RKP5637 (Reply #8)

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
3. This pastor should prepare himself...
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:10 PM
Sep 2015

..for a slew of Kim Davis supporter's retribution against him for speaking the truth. Monday, should make the crazies come out and crest with double-standard hypocrisy.


RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
7. It should prove interesting. If she continues the same BS I do hope the
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:14 PM
Sep 2015

Federal Marshals come in and cart her ass off to jail. In one article I read it was indicated the Federal judge could initiate criminal proceedings against her carrying a 6 month jail term and she would also have to go to court on trial for criminal charges against her.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
11. Expect Huckabee....
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:35 PM
Sep 2015

to pull out the ' persecuted martyr-maneuver ' showing Christians he's willingly & ready to step in front of Kim Davis and take a bullet for all Christians by going to jail himself.

This grifting, flim-flam scam-man will use whatever means of resetting his flailing campaign.


I have enough popcorn for six months.........


lastlib

(23,247 posts)
50. I'm willing to oblige him.........
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 09:45 AM
Sep 2015

Put him in a cell with "Bubba", who can teach him all the social graces of prison life!

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
54. It has been coming; the Evangelical Churches, like this Baptist Church, are bringing a Bible debate
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

to the Dominion Apostolic Church of Kim Davis and Ted Cruz.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/04/usa-gaymarriage-kentucky-apostolic-idUSL1N11A1EC20150904

Huckabee bought a permit from the City to hold a rally outside the Detention Center where Davis was released. Cruz was ejected nicely by Huckabee Aid as there were cops standing around to up hold the City Ordinances.

Cruz is using evangelicals who do not read the Bible to find that both Moses and Paul (New Testament) taught the Separation of Church and State. Separation of Church and State is how the Forefathers set up the Constitution of the US and the government of the United States.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
6. Well good for him. It's about time someone from the evangelical
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:14 PM
Sep 2015

community sets these hypocrits straight!

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
21. She portrays religion as all about hatred, bigotry and evilness, That, is the message she is
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:11 PM
Sep 2015

shouting from the mountain. Who in their right mind can see what she espouses as good.

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
14. I wonder.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

Does Kim Davis know who the "poor in spirit" are whom Jesus blessed? Why is it that an atheistic Buddhist like me understands her Bible and faith better than she does?
I find her spiritual arrogance revolting.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
15. So often individuals such as Kim Davis know very little about religion. They are
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:42 PM
Sep 2015

parrots. Same here! "I find her spiritual arrogance revolting." I find her and her herd to be the personification of evilness.


MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. this is actually very important: Davis can't present it anymore as a good and pious Baptist
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 07:58 PM
Sep 2015

being persecuted from outside; this article not only shows her as a hypocrite, but cracks the facade that it's all Baptists vs. these outside forces (preferably nebulous, so as to seem a little sulfurous)

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
19. This coming week should prove quite interesting. Millions are starting to see her for what
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

she is, and not in a favorable light. She's played this out too far and the hammer is going to drop on her by this judge if she continues. She is a stooge and a grifter, far from the religious saint she tries to portray herself to be.

longship

(40,416 posts)
18. This is what needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:03 PM
Sep 2015

As an atheist, I am not suited to that task. But a pastor, this guy can have influence.

Happy to R&K

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
20. Yes, he has definitely done a very good thing. My hope is more Pastors will follow than
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:08 PM
Sep 2015

meekly submitting to the bigotry and hatred as being a good thing and so wonderful in the name of religion.

longship

(40,416 posts)
22. I don't like it in the name of religion anymore than in the name of atheism.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:12 PM
Sep 2015

One can argue for good without invoking either.

And yes, this guy has done a good thing. And I would celebrate it for that alone.

My regards.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
23. People like her and their leaders (Huckabee,Robertson,Graham et al) have turned me against religion.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:13 PM
Sep 2015

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
25. Same here. Years ago I was pretty neutral about religion. I went to church in my youth.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:24 PM
Sep 2015

My parents really weren't very religious, but I think they felt it brought niceties in life. I know my father saw religion as great for his political career, always nice to have that in ones campaign speech. Whatever, it was far different way back then, none of this BS came up in our church. It was a lot about the golden rule and all, being nice to people and trying to help everyone toward a better life.

That said, over the years I've come to despise religion, seeing it now as a very divisive crusade and dangerous to the survival of a free democracy. And now I see some as un-American and really bordering on being domestic terrorists. It my lifetime it has become very hateful. I don't think all religious people are like that, but damn, that's the majority of what one hears anymore.

If someone tells me they are religious, I view them with caution.


Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
32. Opportunist Huckabee swooped down on Kim Davis and swallowed her up.
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:26 PM
Sep 2015

She is just the type he is used to fleecing. He reminds me of a Don King without the hair. He comes in and manages the show for a lot of the spot light, and I am sure a lot of money.

Warpy

(111,275 posts)
27. Just when you're getting disgusted with religion in general and evangelical religion in particular
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:42 PM
Sep 2015

some guy like Rev. Williams has to pop up and say something honest and compassionate and remind you that some Christians out there have gotten the point.

Thanks, Reverend Williams, I needed the reminder after the past couple of weeks.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
28. Ah..a Jimmy Carter Baptist
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 08:44 PM
Sep 2015

Someone who understands that everyone is assured freedom of religion or in the end, no one is.

4_TN_TITANS

(2,977 posts)
31. My fav part - he points out that she
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:13 PM
Sep 2015

had no qualms with signing her own multiple, unbiblical marriage certificates.

I had shared that post myself and I never share religious stuff.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
33. Amen Baby!
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:28 PM
Sep 2015

I'm a Buddhist in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, altho I grew up in the Christian Episcopal Church in Dallas. My Tibetan Lama at my Buddhist Center in Irving TX just married two beautiful men last week. That has got to be a first in Texas, if not the entire south. I'm not gay, but I have gay family members. Is it really so difficult to practice loving kindness? Is it all that difficult to rejoice and be happy for people, who love one another and want to build a life together? I have yet to hear a cogent agument about how same-sex marriage destroys or undermines anyone else's hetero-marriage. And thank-you for not wanting to convert me back to Christianity. We Buddhists don't try to convert anyone. We are explicitly taught not to do that. If someone wants to know about Buddhism, they have to request the teachings.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
35. My first thought - is this minister from a Black Baptist
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:29 PM
Sep 2015

Church? They are usually the only part of the Baptist Church that make any sense.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
57. Then this is even better. He is telling the part of the
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:16 AM
Sep 2015

church that needs to be straightened out. Of course the white Baptist church is not all bigots. I would like to see a lot more preachers come out of their ivory towers and start this kind of action.

While the Pope is not perfect he has come a long way from what they have been.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
40. And this former Baptist says--Amen!
Sat Sep 12, 2015, 09:58 PM
Sep 2015

Pastor Williams articulates well what I have thought for a very long time--thus the "former" Baptist part, awaiting the day when perhaps my faith will be restored. Thank you, Rev. Williams!


JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
45. After all, Jesus did not try to force Jews into becoming a Christian nation.
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 12:36 AM
Sep 2015

And as a matter of fact, Jesus never converted to Christianity. He remained a Jew until after his death. He was tried as a Jew and if the story is true, crucified as a Jew.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
46. Most of the goofy indcoctrinated can't think for themselves
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:00 AM
Sep 2015

so it will fall on deaf ears in most cases and they'll be out in droves tomorrow pushing their brand of government religion again.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
62. That's the whole idea behind indoctrination
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:44 AM
Sep 2015

It's why organized religion has been used as a tool of government throughout history. People thinking for themselves is very bad for control and exploitation.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
48. This quote is why I had a bumper sticker made
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 06:36 AM
Sep 2015

that read, "Want to protect the 'Sanctity of Marriage'? Then outlaw divorce."

His quote:
"If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces."

NonMetro

(631 posts)
58. You Can't "Out-Evangelical" An Evangelical
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:30 AM
Sep 2015

This preacher seems like a decent fellow, but religious one-upmanship is a dead end - and another reason why church and state need to remain separate.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
60. I didn't get that from what he wrote
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

What I got out of it was he's saying Kim Davis et al are promoting a vile message of hate thinly veiled by religion which is ultimately counterproductive to Christianity.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
61. At last!
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:42 AM
Sep 2015

Someone from the Evangelicals, a preacher no less, finally calls out this despicable woman. As an atheist, I have no problem admiring Rev. Williams. I just wish there were more like him!

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
63. Good For Him
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

For realizing this is not a theocracy. Crazy religious people can be as crazy as they want to be but cannot force their craziness on the rest of us.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
64. And an SBC congregation to boot.....
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Sep 2015

.....Williams gets booted out of the Southern Baptist Convention in....3....2....1....

Trust me, I know those people. I grew up an SBC Baptist. His congregation may support him, but the clowns who run that circus in Nashville and the state conventions don't get it and will never change.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
65. Some Baptist churches are not a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. Could it be that
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 05:09 PM
Sep 2015

they adhere to what the Bible teaches as best they can? Perhaps this Pastor believes in Separation of Church and State, as taught in the Bible and as written in the Constitutional.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
70. my first impression was this has got to be....
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 08:09 PM
Sep 2015

a New Baptist Covenant pastor or some other progressive, independent Baptist congregation. Turns out they're SBC, a member of the Florida Baptist Convention. Hard to believe. After the conservative takeover of the SBC back in the 80s, the new powers that be don't do separation of church and state. I'm afraid Pastor Williams is going to catch hell over this.

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