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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/12/baptist-pastor-crushes-kim-davis-and-the-hypocrisy-of-his-fellow-evangelicals-in-open-letter/Williams wrote a post on Facebook thoroughly crushing Davis and her persecution complex, becoming one of the few evangelical pastors in a southern state to openly blast the homophobic Kentucky clerk and her anti-gay supporters.
This is not a case of the government forcing anyone to violate their religious belief, Williams correctly stated. She is free to quit her job. If she quits her job to honor God surely God would take care of her.
He then points out a huge hypocrisy committed by Davis herself: the fact that she has been married four times.
Williams goes on to accuse Davis of running a get-rich quick scheme by crusading against gay people in an effort to become a martyr who the right-wing will raise money for, and says that evangelicals are losing because they dont practice what they preach. He also called upon evangelicals to stop trying to force America into becoming a Christian nation.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)He got it.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s.
Good to know they're not all cut from the same cloth.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)meekly hide.
I think even some of the old hardliners are starting to see that you can't live a faithful, loving life if you are full of hatred and agitation. Maybe it's *not* all about being angry at the right people.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)hatred. The KKK did the same, burning crosses, etc. Really, who in their right mind wants to be associated with all of this hatred and bigotry. I'm not a religious person, but I do remember well being told in my youth, beware of the devil, he will come cloaked in disguises. To me, these jerks are disciples from hell cloaked in fake religion.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)I just left is because of the hate and bigotry I heard from the Pulpit,followed by many members.
The hate of our President was awful.
I am glad to have a Minister from the Baptist Church speak out. The harm this is causing in the Bjurch is really bad.
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JustADumbFireman
(59 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)..for a slew of Kim Davis supporter's retribution against him for speaking the truth. Monday, should make the crazies come out and crest with double-standard hypocrisy.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Federal Marshals come in and cart her ass off to jail. In one article I read it was indicated the Federal judge could initiate criminal proceedings against her carrying a 6 month jail term and she would also have to go to court on trial for criminal charges against her.
Segami
(14,923 posts)to pull out the ' persecuted martyr-maneuver ' showing Christians he's willingly & ready to step in front of Kim Davis and take a bullet for all Christians by going to jail himself.
This grifting, flim-flam scam-man will use whatever means of resetting his flailing campaign.
I have enough popcorn for six months.........
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)lastlib
(23,247 posts)Put him in a cell with "Bubba", who can teach him all the social graces of prison life!
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)Christian persecution.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)to the Dominion Apostolic Church of Kim Davis and Ted Cruz.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/04/usa-gaymarriage-kentucky-apostolic-idUSL1N11A1EC20150904
Huckabee bought a permit from the City to hold a rally outside the Detention Center where Davis was released. Cruz was ejected nicely by Huckabee Aid as there were cops standing around to up hold the City Ordinances.
Cruz is using evangelicals who do not read the Bible to find that both Moses and Paul (New Testament) taught the Separation of Church and State. Separation of Church and State is how the Forefathers set up the Constitution of the US and the government of the United States.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)community sets these hypocrits straight!
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)shouting from the mountain. Who in their right mind can see what she espouses as good.
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)are part of what turns some people against religion.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)ChazInAz
(2,569 posts)Does Kim Davis know who the "poor in spirit" are whom Jesus blessed? Why is it that an atheistic Buddhist like me understands her Bible and faith better than she does?
I find her spiritual arrogance revolting.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)parrots. Same here! "I find her spiritual arrogance revolting." I find her and her herd to be the personification of evilness.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)she is following prosperity gospel.
Volaris
(10,272 posts)Are things that require an open mind.
icarusxat
(403 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)being persecuted from outside; this article not only shows her as a hypocrite, but cracks the facade that it's all Baptists vs. these outside forces (preferably nebulous, so as to seem a little sulfurous)
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)she is, and not in a favorable light. She's played this out too far and the hammer is going to drop on her by this judge if she continues. She is a stooge and a grifter, far from the religious saint she tries to portray herself to be.
longship
(40,416 posts)As an atheist, I am not suited to that task. But a pastor, this guy can have influence.
Happy to R&K
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)meekly submitting to the bigotry and hatred as being a good thing and so wonderful in the name of religion.
longship
(40,416 posts)One can argue for good without invoking either.
And yes, this guy has done a good thing. And I would celebrate it for that alone.
My regards.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)My parents really weren't very religious, but I think they felt it brought niceties in life. I know my father saw religion as great for his political career, always nice to have that in ones campaign speech. Whatever, it was far different way back then, none of this BS came up in our church. It was a lot about the golden rule and all, being nice to people and trying to help everyone toward a better life.
That said, over the years I've come to despise religion, seeing it now as a very divisive crusade and dangerous to the survival of a free democracy. And now I see some as un-American and really bordering on being domestic terrorists. It my lifetime it has become very hateful. I don't think all religious people are like that, but damn, that's the majority of what one hears anymore.
If someone tells me they are religious, I view them with caution.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)She is just the type he is used to fleecing. He reminds me of a Don King without the hair. He comes in and manages the show for a lot of the spot light, and I am sure a lot of money.
lastlib
(23,247 posts)Warpy
(111,275 posts)some guy like Rev. Williams has to pop up and say something honest and compassionate and remind you that some Christians out there have gotten the point.
Thanks, Reverend Williams, I needed the reminder after the past couple of weeks.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Someone who understands that everyone is assured freedom of religion or in the end, no one is.
4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)had no qualms with signing her own multiple, unbiblical marriage certificates.
I had shared that post myself and I never share religious stuff.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)I'm a Buddhist in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, altho I grew up in the Christian Episcopal Church in Dallas. My Tibetan Lama at my Buddhist Center in Irving TX just married two beautiful men last week. That has got to be a first in Texas, if not the entire south. I'm not gay, but I have gay family members. Is it really so difficult to practice loving kindness? Is it all that difficult to rejoice and be happy for people, who love one another and want to build a life together? I have yet to hear a cogent agument about how same-sex marriage destroys or undermines anyone else's hetero-marriage. And thank-you for not wanting to convert me back to Christianity. We Buddhists don't try to convert anyone. We are explicitly taught not to do that. If someone wants to know about Buddhism, they have to request the teachings.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Church? They are usually the only part of the Baptist Church that make any sense.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)(you can see his photo if you scroll to the bottom of this link)
jwirr
(39,215 posts)church that needs to be straightened out. Of course the white Baptist church is not all bigots. I would like to see a lot more preachers come out of their ivory towers and start this kind of action.
While the Pope is not perfect he has come a long way from what they have been.
classof56
(5,376 posts)Pastor Williams articulates well what I have thought for a very long time--thus the "former" Baptist part, awaiting the day when perhaps my faith will be restored. Thank you, Rev. Williams!
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)yardwork
(61,650 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And as a matter of fact, Jesus never converted to Christianity. He remained a Jew until after his death. He was tried as a Jew and if the story is true, crucified as a Jew.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)so it will fall on deaf ears in most cases and they'll be out in droves tomorrow pushing their brand of government religion again.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's why organized religion has been used as a tool of government throughout history. People thinking for themselves is very bad for control and exploitation.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)phylny
(8,380 posts)that read, "Want to protect the 'Sanctity of Marriage'? Then outlaw divorce."
His quote:
"If we want sanctity of marriage then stop cheating, stop having affairs, stop looking at porn, stop getting divorces."
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)NonMetro
(631 posts)This preacher seems like a decent fellow, but religious one-upmanship is a dead end - and another reason why church and state need to remain separate.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)What I got out of it was he's saying Kim Davis et al are promoting a vile message of hate thinly veiled by religion which is ultimately counterproductive to Christianity.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Someone from the Evangelicals, a preacher no less, finally calls out this despicable woman. As an atheist, I have no problem admiring Rev. Williams. I just wish there were more like him!
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)For realizing this is not a theocracy. Crazy religious people can be as crazy as they want to be but cannot force their craziness on the rest of us.
paleotn
(17,931 posts).....Williams gets booted out of the Southern Baptist Convention in....3....2....1....
Trust me, I know those people. I grew up an SBC Baptist. His congregation may support him, but the clowns who run that circus in Nashville and the state conventions don't get it and will never change.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)they adhere to what the Bible teaches as best they can? Perhaps this Pastor believes in Separation of Church and State, as taught in the Bible and as written in the Constitutional.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)a New Baptist Covenant pastor or some other progressive, independent Baptist congregation. Turns out they're SBC, a member of the Florida Baptist Convention. Hard to believe. After the conservative takeover of the SBC back in the 80s, the new powers that be don't do separation of church and state. I'm afraid Pastor Williams is going to catch hell over this.
ColesCountyDem
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