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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:03 PM May 2012

wtf????? Arizona deputies in Hawaii seeking Obama birth certificate

By Star-Advertiser staff

POSTED: 03:38 p.m. HST, May 21, 2012
LAST UPDATED: 02:01 a.m. HST, May 22, 2012


Two men who identified themselves as being from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in Phoenix went to the Hawaii Department of Health Monday morning requesting verification of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, said a state spokeswoman.

A Hawaii deputy attorney general gave the men information concerning the legal requirements to obtain such a document; the requirements are posted on the Health Department's website. The two men then left the office, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said.

The two men showed Maricopa County Sheriff's Office badges and identified themselves as Michael Zullo and Brian Mackiewcz, Okubo said. They are "authorized by the Sheriff of Maricopa County, who is conducting an official investigation," a spokesman for the sheriff's office said in an email.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama's residency status using a volunteer cold-case "posse," but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday.

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http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/152395115.html

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wtf????? Arizona deputies in Hawaii seeking Obama birth certificate (Original Post) cali May 2012 OP
Just a little out of your sharp_stick May 2012 #1
It can't be legal, can it? cali May 2012 #6
It's a volunteer posse funded in part by Jerome Corsi jberryhill May 2012 #9
You didn't read the article. It's not all volunteer any longer. cali May 2012 #11
Was that deputy one of the ones who showed up in Hawaii? jberryhill May 2012 #21
yes, he was. cali May 2012 #35
Dang... if he got travel expenses, I gotta get birfin! jberryhill May 2012 #37
LOL. nt pnwmom May 2012 #49
It shouldn't be sharp_stick May 2012 #17
Yep, all sounds like a boondoggle to me! n/t RKP5637 May 2012 #7
It takes two? broiles May 2012 #33
I hope it comes back on them siligut May 2012 #36
When (or where) does this lunacy end? Proud Liberal Dem May 2012 #2
never. zbdent May 2012 #4
plenty of money to be made in being a "birther" ... just like the "climate change deniers" and zbdent May 2012 #3
It is sick the way these birthers are abusing power. I saw this article on a different site lookingfortruth May 2012 #5
requests tru May 2012 #71
LOL! This is Arpaio pushing back on the Federal suit against him. EFerrari May 2012 #8
A good defense is a better offense. Old and In the Way May 2012 #13
That makes sense. Yeah, he's human waste. n/t EFerrari May 2012 #15
Arizona's coffers must be overflowing! BlueToTheBone May 2012 #10
The sheriff loves taking jaunts on the taxpayer dime, so do his henchmen. Ugh! freshwest May 2012 #55
Whitewater all over again. lpbk2713 May 2012 #12
There should be an 8-step process that starts in Molokai, goes to Oahu.... DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #14
Even if Barack Obama was not born in the US....... suston96 May 2012 #16
Well, unless they can meet the requirements, they MineralMan May 2012 #18
They aren't there for a copy. bluedigger May 2012 #50
They still have no legal reason to get that verification. MineralMan May 2012 #52
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #19
A six year old spelled his name with two r's? jberryhill May 2012 #22
Nah, the gobmint's always true to their word... heaven knows May 2012 #23
Would you care to elaborate on the significance... jberryhill May 2012 #25
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #27
ROFL. And you're a birther too!... SidDithers May 2012 #28
I am a progressive birther and truther, dearie. heaven knows May 2012 #30
I think we "got it", as did MIRT jberryhill May 2012 #34
You are still here? rufus dog May 2012 #38
You're just a little short on reading comprehension azureblue May 2012 #57
A six year old wrote his name with two r's on "a document" jberryhill May 2012 #29
lol n/t fishwax May 2012 #32
lol!!!!! Too much faux for you? babylonsister May 2012 #24
Bernard P Fife has been appointed to lead the task force Kingofalldems May 2012 #20
Do they all three share the one bullet? KansDem May 2012 #26
Barney Fife would run rings around these fellows. yellowcanine May 2012 #58
More evidence that the Republican/conservative brain must have some sort of defect... DCBob May 2012 #31
Who paid for these two airline ticktets to Hawaii? LeftinOH May 2012 #39
The taxpayers. I hope they feel they got their money's worth. nt msanthrope May 2012 #45
Citizens of Arizona! Yer tax dollars at werk! FSogol May 2012 #40
There is no law in place in Arizonia for all this EC May 2012 #41
Brewer? Really? cali May 2012 #42
She did refuse to sign EC May 2012 #43
You're kidding about the "waste of AZ taxpayers' money" jmowreader May 2012 #67
How to get a free vacation in Hawaii. aquart May 2012 #44
+1. n/t Bolo Boffin May 2012 #61
nice little "trip to nowhere"- for a couple of fools. Bluerthanblue May 2012 #46
Arpaio is a bigot who is running scared. He is lashing out at the investigation by the Feds. Lint Head May 2012 #47
Vacation in Hawaii paid by the Arizona tax payers. tandot May 2012 #48
Hawaii may be laid back Iliyah May 2012 #51
"Book 'em Danno" FarCenter May 2012 #62
HOW MANY DAMNED COPIES . . . madashelltoo May 2012 #53
Birthers aren't going to be happy until. . . caseymoz May 2012 #54
This is rich! azureblue May 2012 #56
This is so absurd! JDPriestly May 2012 #59
Groan....... more bad press for Arizona panader0 May 2012 #60
And best of luck doing so. In the meantime, no $$$ spent in LuckyLib May 2012 #63
The New Florida. BlueIris May 2012 #69
I don't think Romney... awoke_in_2003 May 2012 #64
What a waste of Arizona state tax dollars. It sounds like avebury May 2012 #65
Obama is too nice to the man. tcaudilllg May 2012 #66
Maybe CA can reject Mittens on mental health grounds upi402 May 2012 #68
And if they get it they will claim it's fake. SomethingFishy May 2012 #70
So now we're sponsoring free trips to Hawaii for fuckwits while cutting meals on wheels? lonestarnot May 2012 #72
Anything for a trip to Hawaii..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2012 #73

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
1. Just a little out of your
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:08 PM
May 2012

jurisdiction there cowboy. There is very little more dangerous than a stupid cop and Maricopa county is infested with them, like roaches in a crack den.

I hope the taxpayers in Maricopa county enjoyed paying for this little vacation, I wonder if Sheriff Joe is having them put up at The Halekulani?

http://www.halekulani.com/

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
11. You didn't read the article. It's not all volunteer any longer.
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:15 PM
May 2012

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been researching Obama's residency status using a volunteer cold-case "posse," but now has employed a taxpayer-funded deputy, The Arizona Republic reported Monday.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. Was that deputy one of the ones who showed up in Hawaii?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:36 PM
May 2012

That is a new one in the continued adventures of Shurf Joe's Birfin Posse. The original purpose of it was to promote Corsi's book.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
17. It shouldn't be
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:25 PM
May 2012

and I really hope it becomes an issue during the re-election campaign of that racist skidmark.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
2. When (or where) does this lunacy end?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:10 PM
May 2012


The Repubs must be getting desperate to get President Obama off the ballot in Arizona. Is Arizona in danger of going......gulp......BLUE this year?



I wonder how the residents of Arizona feel about their taxes going to pay for this birther nonsense? I think even Iowa Republicans are starting to get into this birther nonsense as well.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
4. never.
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

period.

As long as Faux keeps drawing "ratings", and some billionaire feels he shouldn't pay a penny for anything, you'll have nutcases like this.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
3. plenty of money to be made in being a "birther" ... just like the "climate change deniers" and
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:10 PM
May 2012

tobacco industry "doctors" ...

 

lookingfortruth

(263 posts)
5. It is sick the way these birthers are abusing power. I saw this article on a different site
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:11 PM
May 2012

yesterday and a couple other articles. Hawaii is getting like 50 NEW request for Obama's birth certificate each month


The question I have and what the Hawaiian Governor should ask in a press conference is for proof that they are demanding the same information about Willard "Mitt the Bully" Romney.

 

tru

(237 posts)
71. requests
Thu May 24, 2012, 09:10 AM
May 2012

I think I read awhile back that Hawaii was no longer granting those requests, because of the expense and because there's a limit to how many idiots they want to deal with. Some semi-official request may be different.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
13. A good defense is a better offense.
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:21 PM
May 2012

I know he's been investigated by the feds...I suspect that he wants to use the Obama BC investigation as a way to derail any indictments against his Department. I can see his public defense along the lines of. "the only reason the Feds are after me is because I was going to break BC-Gate wide open". A real scumbag, this guy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. The sheriff loves taking jaunts on the taxpayer dime, so do his henchmen. Ugh!
Wed May 23, 2012, 01:13 PM
May 2012

GOP fiscal responsibility at work. Or rather play. They already had the records a few days ago. More corruption and abuse at the end of the empire.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
14. There should be an 8-step process that starts in Molokai, goes to Oahu....
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:22 PM
May 2012

...then Maui, then the big island. The administrative fee will need to be paid to an official in the interior of Lanai, but only with a money order purchased in Philadelphia. After all the steps are complete, Hawaii should email the already-public long-form to the AZ SOS. Oh, and there should be webcams set up at each station along the way so the world can watch The Arizona Doofus Island Hop. Maybe in the corner there could be a tally of how much this is costing Arizona taxpayers, minute by minute.

suston96

(4,175 posts)
16. Even if Barack Obama was not born in the US.......
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:24 PM
May 2012

....He could claim natural born citizenship from his mother a US citizen, who was born in Iowa.

I was not born in the US. Like so many other children of servicemen and civil servants or other Americans working overseas, a child born of such parentage needs only to be registered with US Embassy or US State Department to claim natural citizenship.

http://bccvisalaw.com/us-citizenship-by-birth.php

My father, a US citizen, registered my birth at the US Consulate in Palermo, Italy. He always pointed out that I could be president someday.

The birthers are wasting their time. They should check out [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham] Stanley Ann Dunham [/link], Obama's mother, to see if she meets the requirements for retaining her US citizenship as she was much traveled and worked overseas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
18. Well, unless they can meet the requirements, they
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

aren't getting diddly squat.

Who is Eligible to Apply for Certified Copies of Vital Records?

A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, civil union, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:

the registrant (the person whom the record is concerned with);
the registrant’s spouse;
the registrant’s parent(s);
a descendant of the registrant (e.g., a child or grandchild);
a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);
a legal guardian of the registrant;
a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;
a personal representative of the registrant’s estate;
a person whose right to obtain a copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;
adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;
a person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;
a person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and
a person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

If you are not able to establish a direct and tangible interest in the record, you are ineligible and will not be issued a certified copy of the record.


http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
50. They aren't there for a copy.
Wed May 23, 2012, 10:44 AM
May 2012

They are there to verify the original, not to request a copy. Two of them, so as to have multiple witnesses able to confirm it's veracity, I would assume.

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
52. They still have no legal reason to get that verification.
Wed May 23, 2012, 10:58 AM
May 2012

The AZ SOS has already provided that verification. This is a publicity stunt for the deplorable Sheriff Arpaio.

Response to cali (Original post)

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
22. A six year old spelled his name with two r's?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:40 PM
May 2012

When I was that age, I used to hook my J's in the other direction.

Oh, and on Alex Jones! Well, that's some reliable information then.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
25. Would you care to elaborate on the significance...
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:43 PM
May 2012

...of how a six year old spells his name?

I'm really fascinated to hear the truth so, out with it please.

Response to jberryhill (Reply #25)

azureblue

(2,152 posts)
57. You're just a little short on reading comprehension
Wed May 23, 2012, 03:43 PM
May 2012

dearie... You deny the proof all you want to, but that doesn't make you right.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
29. A six year old wrote his name with two r's on "a document"
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:46 PM
May 2012

Again, please explain the significance of this interesting factoid, without changing the subject to something else please.

babylonsister

(171,094 posts)
24. lol!!!!! Too much faux for you?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:42 PM
May 2012

If there was a shred of a possibility that the President was ineligible, don't you think we'd know that by now?

Kingofalldems

(38,487 posts)
20. Bernard P Fife has been appointed to lead the task force
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
May 2012

Gomer Pyle and Otis Campbell were sworn in as volunteers this morning.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
31. More evidence that the Republican/conservative brain must have some sort of defect...
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:47 PM
May 2012

that allows them to ignore facts and hard evidence and believe a rediculous fallacy.

EC

(12,287 posts)
41. There is no law in place in Arizonia for all this
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:13 PM
May 2012

he has no legal standing so why doesn't Brewer or someone tell him to stop this? This is a waste of Arizonia's taxpayers money.

On edit: nevermind, I thought (before reading it all) this was the SOS again. Sheriff Joe is just a fool and again the citizen's of Arizonia should demand repayment of the costs of this trip if Sheriff Joe is paying for this from state funds.

jmowreader

(50,565 posts)
67. You're kidding about the "waste of AZ taxpayers' money"
Wed May 23, 2012, 11:55 PM
May 2012

The thing is, it IS a complete waste of the taxpayers' money, but if you were to ask 100 Arizona repukes what is an improper use of the taxpayers' money and gave them a list that had improving the public schools, feeding Arizona's hungry and investigating the president's birth certificate, not one of those assholes would say investigating the president is something the people of Arizona shouldn't be paying for.

Bluerthanblue

(13,669 posts)
46. nice little "trip to nowhere"- for a couple of fools.
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:23 PM
May 2012

are Arizona taxpayers footing the bill? What hypocrisy.
Hatred gone wild.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
47. Arpaio is a bigot who is running scared. He is lashing out at the investigation by the Feds.
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:18 PM
May 2012

He is a small man with small ideas who will be smothered in the dust bin of time.

tandot

(6,671 posts)
48. Vacation in Hawaii paid by the Arizona tax payers.
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:30 PM
May 2012

I thought teabaggers are against Government wasting their tax money?

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
51. Hawaii may be laid back
Wed May 23, 2012, 10:49 AM
May 2012

but if these wackos keep effing with them they will wake the sleeping giant.

Seems like the AZ posse are coming into Hawaii waving their guns. . . to AZ posse, don't f**k with Hawaii - LOL

madashelltoo

(1,701 posts)
53. HOW MANY DAMNED COPIES . . .
Wed May 23, 2012, 12:27 PM
May 2012

of the same damned birth certificate do these idiots need? Didn't this sheriff have a big expose about his findings earlier this year? Didn't they say his birth certificate was a fraud? Well, how many damned FRAUDULENT birth certificates does it take to stop an IDIOT POSSE?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
54. Birthers aren't going to be happy until. . .
Wed May 23, 2012, 01:13 PM
May 2012

. . . they open the Obama's mother's grave and find a wolf-skeleton.

Then they'll get knives from some creepy archeologist who tells them to look for the 666 hidden above Obama's hairline.

Following this, Arpaio will be killed in a weird curtain-cord accident. His first deputy will die from eating a fire hydrant, and the last will be wounded by a Secret Service agent's hooker and then tragically humped to death by Obama's dog. But not before the hero has shaved the chief executive's head to reveal the president's real birth certificate.

Just as the Birthers have warned.

azureblue

(2,152 posts)
56. This is rich!
Wed May 23, 2012, 03:41 PM
May 2012

the two AZ deputies though they could show up and throw their weight around, try to intimidate some clerks, but were told the same thing they knew all along and rebuffed. That AZ redneck act don't fly in Hawaii. I was hoping they would try to get more aggressive and get a police escort out of the office, maybe out of the state, for abuse of their authority.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
59. This is so absurd!
Wed May 23, 2012, 03:51 PM
May 2012

It is a mean way to dishonor Obama's mother. It is a cruel way to remind Obama that his mother died.

These people are just horrible.

And they are ignorant. I know how you get the birth of a child born abroad registered. And I know what the birth certificates look like and they don't look like Obama's birth certificate.

Well, maybe it is good if they continue to make fools of themselves like this because in the end, the truth will be plain to everyone except a few select idiotic, mean, nasty birthers.

Insulting Obama's mother. That's all they are doing.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
60. Groan....... more bad press for Arizona
Wed May 23, 2012, 03:56 PM
May 2012

You know there are still good, progressive people in this state. Raoul Grijalva for example. Janet Napolitano was our guv before the job was given to Brewer when Janet got "promoted". Arpiao is scum, and his is not the first time he has used the taxpayers money to take trips (either for himself or his cronies). I hope Ron Barber is able to beat Jesse Kelly for Giffords seat (where I live), or it could get worse. Too bad for a great state that just happens to have some idiots in office. A lot of older people retire here, a lot of ex-military too, and the pendulum swung to the right. Remember Mo and Stuart Udall? Remember Carl Hayden? There have been some fine democrats come from Az. I hope that we Dems can turn this state blue again.

LuckyLib

(6,821 posts)
63. And best of luck doing so. In the meantime, no $$$ spent in
Wed May 23, 2012, 05:12 PM
May 2012

AZ on the part of this family -- driving through, business or otherwise. Zilch. We've told friends in AZ, "you come here to visit us. We have our own wacky Repugs, but nothing like yours!"

First the crazy immigration stuff, now this. Folks there should raise holy hell at the birther goofballs representing them.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
64. I don't think Romney...
Wed May 23, 2012, 08:59 PM
May 2012

was born in Michigan. I should get paid plane tickets to Michigan to investigate. The time frame should be autumn. I love the north in the fall.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
70. And if they get it they will claim it's fake.
Thu May 24, 2012, 12:08 AM
May 2012

Why does anyone pay attention to these fools anymore? They have a theory that Obama was not born in the US. Well that theory has been proven wrong many times over including with an official birth certificate.

But that evidence didn't fit their version of the story so they are looking for more. Anything that they find that conflicts the "Obama is not a US citizen" story will be labeled as either a "forgery" or "lies".

If I were a resident of Maricopa county I would be raising hell about where my money was going.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,199 posts)
73. Anything for a trip to Hawaii.....
Thu May 24, 2012, 10:16 AM
May 2012

....nice work on the public dime, eh, Sheriff Joe?

Reminds me of this old article from The Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/six-flags-killer-still-at-large-say-souvenirbedeck,700/

'Six Flags Killer' Still At Large, Say Souvenir-Bedecked Police

GURNEE, IL—Local authorities continue to search Gurnee's Great America theme park for a criminal dubbed "The Six Flags Killer," souvenir-laden police reported Monday.

"If you have any information that might lead to the capture of this vicious killer, please contact us immediately," a button-covered Gurnee Police Captain Jack Moynihan said at a press conference held in Carousel Plaza. "We have officers standing by on the Whizzer."

"Oh," Moynihan added. "And if you know where to get one of those blinking hats we've been seeing around, let us know."

Police have been combing the attraction for clues, thoroughly investigating every ride, game, snack bar, gift shop, and photo-sticker booth.

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