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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:14 AM May 2012

This Terrifying Amendment Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public

The newest version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes an amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on the American public, reports Michael Hastings of BuzzFeed.

The amendment — proposed by Mac Thornberry (R-Texas) and Adam Smith (D-Wash.) and passed in the House last Friday afternoon — would effectively nullify the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948, which explicitly forbids information and psychological operations aimed at influencing U.S. public opinion.

Thornberry said that the current law “ties the hands of America’s diplomatic officials, military, and others by inhibiting our ability to effectively communicate in a credible way,” according to Buzzfeed


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5

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This Terrifying Amendment Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public (Original Post) FarCenter May 2012 OP
... FirstLight May 2012 #1
This is absolutely fascism. They do not want to communicate they want to control. Lint Head May 2012 #2
it's already too late datasuspect May 2012 #3
Uh, exactly skepticscott May 2012 #14
Has anyone seen this covered in the NYT of Washington Post? I haven't and I've been looking. OregonBlue May 2012 #4
The NYT and WashPost might get some DoD money if this passes FarCenter May 2012 #8
"communicate in a credible way” IDemo May 2012 #5
If they couldn't already, what in the sam hell was "Red Dawn"? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #6
Legalized fascism just as the Stand Your Ground law legalizes lynching. nt ladjf May 2012 #7
Anyone who believes the government ever STOPPED using propaganda is hopelessly naive slackmaster May 2012 #9
........ marmar May 2012 #10
Yes thank God we are right now propaganda free. denverbill May 2012 #11
So lets use Smith-Mundt now and indite FOX NEWS and Limbaugh. The Wielding Truth May 2012 #12
So STUPID!! daaron May 2012 #13
A message doesn't have to be false or even misleading to qualify as propaganda slackmaster May 2012 #22
Tell me about it. daaron May 2012 #27
How can we tell the difference NOW? What difference will this "amendment" really make? slackmaster May 2012 #29
We have the news media. The military-industrial JDPriestly May 2012 #15
Propaganda is already legal treestar May 2012 #16
Yes but Rush Limbaugh isn't the government and that "filter we call a brain" Uncle Joe May 2012 #20
If we're not careful, someone's going to bamboozle us into a war for no good reason NoPasaran May 2012 #17
They already use propaganda Iliyah May 2012 #18
I thought this amendment had already been pulled. randome May 2012 #19
There were stories a week or two ago about LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #21
Fox News doesn't have an FCC broadcast license slackmaster May 2012 #23
Serves me right for not paying more attention to LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #25
the propganda machine wants full reign lovuian May 2012 #24
We already have official propaganda via the Drug Czar RainDog May 2012 #26
Am I the only one that finds this absolutely hilarious? cynatnite May 2012 #28
The tea partier types ALREADY don't believe a word that comes out of Obama or the White House. slackmaster May 2012 #30
And it would be the same with those of us if a repuke was in the WH... cynatnite May 2012 #31

FirstLight

(13,366 posts)
1. ...
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:22 AM
May 2012

don't they ALREADY use propaganda on us? the main reason I disconnected from the TV...and I only come here in fits and starts when I am feeling strong. otherwise, i'll just stay focused on my own small town politics and my own life...

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
2. This is absolutely fascism. They do not want to communicate they want to control.
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:23 AM
May 2012

They want to be able to twist a half truth into a lie so the "People" will get behind killing other human beings for the good of the fascist corporate state.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
14. Uh, exactly
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:03 PM
May 2012

Not sure how this amendment changes what's already going on every day. We're drowning in propaganda from the government and every other conceivable source.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
8. The NYT and WashPost might get some DoD money if this passes
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:38 AM
May 2012

The National Security establishment might pay for story placement.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
6. If they couldn't already, what in the sam hell was "Red Dawn"?
Tue May 22, 2012, 11:37 AM
May 2012


Of course, I suppose it can always get worse.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
11. Yes thank God we are right now propaganda free.
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:14 PM
May 2012

Frankly, the amount the US government would spend on propaganda pales in comparison to the amount corporations and wealthy individuals spend. And seeing as how the media simply regurgitates anything anyone says rather than doing any critical analysis, we are already being spoon-fed.

Now excuse me while I turn on the Rush Limbaugh show. Thank God there is no government propaganda on the airwaves.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
13. So STUPID!!
Tue May 22, 2012, 01:57 PM
May 2012

Now we won't believe a DAMN THING they say, instead of believing only 1% of what comes out of their lying, war-mongering, corporate-bung-sucking spewholes.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
22. A message doesn't have to be false or even misleading to qualify as propaganda
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:31 PM
May 2012

For example, anti-smoking ads.

 

daaron

(763 posts)
27. Tell me about it.
Tue May 22, 2012, 07:41 PM
May 2012

That's why it's going to undermine public confidence - how do we tell truth from lies, when we know there might be grains of one in another?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
29. How can we tell the difference NOW? What difference will this "amendment" really make?
Tue May 22, 2012, 09:55 PM
May 2012

We're bombarded by propaganda FROM THE GOVERNMENT 7/24! Some of it is noble and good, some of it is politically motivated, some of it is just plain bullshit.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. We have the news media. The military-industrial
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:05 PM
May 2012

complex already owns it, and since they also own the government, they spread the official propaganda. We don't need any additional laws to give that greedy bunch authority to spew their poison on us and our children.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
16. Propaganda is already legal
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:06 PM
May 2012

We have this filter called a brain.

Rush Limbaugh is allowed to be on the air - that doesn't mean anyone has to agree with him.

Question everything and there is nothing to worry about.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
20. Yes but Rush Limbaugh isn't the government and that "filter we call a brain"
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:19 PM
May 2012

can only filter out so much information particularly when your own trusted democratically elected representative government is intent on brain washing the masses.

"Question everything" doesn't help when the overwhelming messages are lies and propaganda.

It's like they say, you can't fool all people the all the time but you can fool enough of them to start a World War.

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
17. If we're not careful, someone's going to bamboozle us into a war for no good reason
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:06 PM
May 2012

Remember the Maine!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
18. They already use propaganda
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:07 PM
May 2012

especially Fake news...

This will be voted down either by the Senate or vetoed by Pres O. No need to overturn the present law.

These goppers have deepen fears of themselves don't they.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. I thought this amendment had already been pulled.
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
May 2012

Regardless, it's a stupid idea that doesn't have a prayer of passing both houses of Congress AND the President.

I'm embarrassed that a Democrat is co-sponsor.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
21. There were stories a week or two ago about
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:21 PM
May 2012

the FCC taking a look at the Faux News broadcast license. I wonder if one has anything to do with the other.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
25. Serves me right for not paying more attention to
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:48 PM
May 2012

the stories when they were posted, doesn't it. I caught the headlines but didn't peek further.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
26. We already have official propaganda via the Drug Czar
Tue May 22, 2012, 02:49 PM
May 2012

The Office of National Drug Control Policy was created to spread propaganda about the War on Drugs.

One stipulation of the office of Drug Czar is that he or she can never admit there is any reason to legalize marijuana, for instance.

We pay a lot of money, already, for the govt. to lie to us.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
28. Am I the only one that finds this absolutely hilarious?
Tue May 22, 2012, 07:48 PM
May 2012

Probably, but here is the reason why...

Teaparty types, conservs and others of the same ilk won't believe a word of it with Obama in the WH. If a repub is in the WH, dems, libs and others of our ilk won't believe a word.

Of course, there is an Alex Jones segment of the population that won't believe any of it no matter who is in the WH.

The thing is, if the DOD, WH or whoever puts out a commercial promoting themselves they're a lot more accountable these days than they would have been in the past. They're likely to be fact-checked these days and if they do a crappy job of it, they'll get raked over the coals...well, Faux Noise is always the exception to that rule.

I'm just not taking this awfully serious. Flame away.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
30. The tea partier types ALREADY don't believe a word that comes out of Obama or the White House.
Tue May 22, 2012, 09:57 PM
May 2012

It won't make any difference at all!

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
31. And it would be the same with those of us if a repuke was in the WH...
Tue May 22, 2012, 10:00 PM
May 2012

We didn't believe a word when bush was in the WH. No difference whatsoever.

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