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Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:18 PM Sep 2015

Two Men Brave Raging Floodwaters To Save Foxes From Drowning





https://www.thedodo.com/two-men-brave-raging-floodwate-611011685.html

By Stephen Messenger 1 July 2014

A powerful storm dropped nearly 8 inches of rain over Saskatchewan, Canada earlier this week, leading to extensive flooding throughout the region. But while others were fleeing from the rising waters, two kindhearted men risked their own lives by entering the raging torrent to help out some animals in desperate need of saving.

According to Derek Roeher, who tweeted out these dramatic photos of his heroic friends in action, the pair successfully swam to the rescue of two small foxes that they had seen struggling to stay afloat.

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Two Men Brave Raging Floodwaters To Save Foxes From Drowning (Original Post) Omaha Steve Sep 2015 OP
Were these the guys?... PoliticAverse Sep 2015 #1
My first thought too! johnp3907 Sep 2015 #9
Fools. Nt nichomachus Sep 2015 #2
Not fools. Human. PSPS Sep 2015 #4
Awed. ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #8
Thank you for sharing this. 1monster Sep 2015 #17
Thank you for this. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #11
cool shireen Sep 2015 #13
We may all know that but it is so easy to forget. gordianot Sep 2015 #16
Powerful passiveporcupine Sep 2015 #19
Truth. Deep truth. senz Sep 2015 #27
That is beautiful. n/t DirkGently Sep 2015 #33
Thank you, I must find this. Xyzse Sep 2015 #35
Love Moyers and Campbell, and those two guys are very brave.....but foolish. bvar22 Sep 2015 #37
A one word post. Unknown Beatle Sep 2015 #42
Wonderful people. Octafish Sep 2015 #3
This makes ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #5
Good for those guys, glad eveyone made it out of the flood waters OK. greatlaurel Sep 2015 #6
Wonderful men. 840high Sep 2015 #7
Really a stupid move. Glad it turned out ok. Many do not. nt Logical Sep 2015 #10
Please read post #4. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #12
No matter, it is stupid. For a human worth the risk. nt Logical Sep 2015 #15
For any creature, worth the risk. paleotn Sep 2015 #22
You have to weigh many factors. Leaving family with no means of support, etc. nt Logical Sep 2015 #23
Fortunatly, humans don't work that way.... paleotn Sep 2015 #25
An animal vs a human is a logical decision. Common sense. And it does work that way. nt Logical Sep 2015 #26
Humans are only fancy animals - and I have known far more animals Maru Kitteh Sep 2015 #28
Logically, you must know that not everyone thinks as you do. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #30
Think of all the people killed and maimed by automobiles as they go about their useless business. hunter Sep 2015 #39
In the past few days Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2015 #14
Thinning the herd.... AngryAmish Sep 2015 #18
I don't know ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #29
I'd like thinning the herd residing at the opposite end of the behavior spectrum... BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2015 #31
I consider them heroes. I adore foxes. CharlotteVale Sep 2015 #20
Love these men. senz Sep 2015 #21
Is somebody chopping onions? shenmue Sep 2015 #24
What did the fox say? NightWatcher Sep 2015 #32
That was a foolish thing for those men to do. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #34
I really do wnder how the foxes reacted. skip fox Sep 2015 #36
sweet Liberal_in_LA Sep 2015 #38
That site has another sweet story of rescued foxes--plus a video of them tblue37 Sep 2015 #40
+1 L0oniX Sep 2015 #41
Beautiful. skip fox Sep 2015 #43
Did you read the heartbreaking story of Olive, the dog who has spent her entire tblue37 Sep 2015 #44

PSPS

(13,603 posts)
4. Not fools. Human.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:41 PM
Sep 2015

Something like this can happen to anyone at anytime and they have no control over their attempt to save another creature from harm or suffering. The best explanation and description of this that I've heard is from Joseph Campbell in his "Power of Myth," which was discussed in his series with Bill Moyers about 30 years ago:

CAMPBELL: There is a magnificent essay by Schopenhauer in which he asks, how is it that a human being can so participate in the peril or pain of another that without thought, spontaneously, he sacrifices his own life for the other? How can it happen that what we normally think of as the first law of nature and self-preservation is suddenly dissolved?

In Hawaii some four or five years ago there was an extraordinary event that represents this problem. There is a place there called the Pali, where the trade winds from the north come rushing through a great ridge of mountains. People like to go up there to get their hair blown about or sometimes to commit suicide – you know, something like jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge.

One day, two policemen were driving up the Pali road when they saw just beyond the railing that keeps the cars from rolling over, a young man preparing to jump. The police car stopped, and the policeman on the right jumped out to grab the man but caught him just as he jumped, and he himself was being pulled over when the second cop arrived in time and pulled the two of them back.

Do you realize what had suddenly happened to that policeman who had given himself to death with that unknown youth? Everything else in his life had dropped off – his duty to his family, his duty to his job, his duty to his own life – all his wishes and hopes for his lifetime had just disappeared. He was about to die.

Later, a newspaper reporter asked him, “Why didn’t you let go? You would have been killed.” And his reported answer was, “I couldn’t let go. If I had let that young man go, I couldn’t have lived another day of my life.” How come?

Schopenhauer’s answer is that such a psychological crisis represents the breakthrough of a metaphysical realization, which is that you and that other are one, that you are two aspects of the one life, and that your apparent separateness is but an effect of the way we experience forms under the conditions of space and time. Our true reality is in our identity and unity with all life. This is a metaphysical truth which may become spontaneously realized under circumstances in time. This is a metaphysical truth which may become spontaneously realized under circumstances of crisis. For it is, according to Schopenhauer, the truth of your life.

The hero is the one who has given his physical life to some order of realization for that truth. The concept of love your neighbour is to put you in tune with this fact. But whether you love your neighbour or not, when the realization grabs you, you may risk your life. That Hawaiian policeman didn’t know who the young man was to whom he had given himself. Schopenhauer declares that in small ways you can see this happening every day, all the time, moving life in the world, people doing selfless things to and for each other.

MOYERS: So when Jesus says, “Love thy neighbour as thyself,” he is saying in effect, “Love thy neighbour because he is yourself.”

CAMPBELL: There is a beautiful figure in the Oriental tradition, the bodhisattva, whose nature is boundless compassion, and from whose fingertips there is said to drip ambrosia down to the lowest depths of hell.

MOYERS: And what is the meaning of that?

CAMPBELL: At the very end of the Divine Comedy, Dante realizes that the love of God informs the whole universe down to the lowest pits of hell. That’s very much the same image. The bodhisattva represents the principle of compassion, which is the healing principle that makes life possible. Life is pain, but compassion is what gives it the possibility of continuing. The bodhisattva is one who has achieved the realization of immortality yet voluntarily participates in the sorrows of the world. Voluntary participation in the world is very different from just getting born into it. That’s exactly the theme of Paul’s statement about Christ in his Epistle to the Philippians: that Jesus “did not think godhood something to be held but took the form of a servant here on the earth, even to death on the cross.” That’s a voluntary participation in the fragmentation of life.

MOYERS: So you would agree with Abelard in the twelfth century, who said that Jesus’ death on the cross was not as ransom paid, or as a penalty applied, but that it was an act of atonement, at-one-ment, with the race.

CAMPBELL: That’s the most sophisticated interpretation of why Christ had to be crucified, or why he elected to be crucified.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
13. cool
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:29 PM
Sep 2015

I've seen the series with Moyers, and listened to some radio interviews. But you've reminded me that I really need to delve into the book. Campbell was an incredibly insightful man. I'm so glad Moyers captured even just a fraction of that wisdom for us before Campbell passsed away.

gordianot

(15,240 posts)
16. We may all know that but it is so easy to forget.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:38 PM
Sep 2015

We are too busy passing judgement. That is awesome thank you!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
37. Love Moyers and Campbell, and those two guys are very brave.....but foolish.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:07 PM
Sep 2015

Foxes are know Rabies carriers, along with skunks, raccoons, bats, & others,
and rabies is on the rise.

BRAVO to these two guys,
but I would not have gone after a wild animal that has a rabies potential.
(I say that now, sitting at my desk...but, on the scene, I have done foolish things too.
It is near impossible to watch an animal struggle.)


During 2007, 49 states and Puerto Rico reported 7,258 cases of rabies in animals and 1 case in a human to the CDC, representing a 4.6% increase from the 6,940 cases in animals and 3 cases in humans reported in 2006. Approximately 93% of the cases were in wildlife, and 7% were in domestic animals. Relative contributions by the major animal groups were as follows: 2,659 raccoons (36.6%), 1,973 bats (27.2%), 1,478 skunks (20.4%), 489 foxes (6.7%), 274 cats (3.8%), 93 dogs (1.3%), and 57 cattle (0.8%).

http://www.rogerknapp.com/medical/rabies/Rabies.htm

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
42. A one word post.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:22 PM
Sep 2015

That one word that you posted reveals more about the type of person that you are than you realize.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
6. Good for those guys, glad eveyone made it out of the flood waters OK.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 07:42 PM
Sep 2015

Thanks for posting the article, Steve! Those are some strong guys to swim through that flood.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
22. For any creature, worth the risk.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:49 PM
Sep 2015

...I've known firefighters who've risked their lives to save cats and dogs. They didn't think about it much or do some risk / reward analysis. They just did it because it was the right thing to do at the time. To me, compassion like that is what makes us human.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
25. Fortunatly, humans don't work that way....
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:03 PM
Sep 2015

....If we did our Medal of Honor list would be empty. We're not Vulcans, we're humans. We do what in retrospect seems incredibly dumb and dangerous, with no chance of any tangible reward other than to save someone else. Though philosophically,, utilitarianism seems best in the long run, humans just aren't wired that way. I kind of like that.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
28. Humans are only fancy animals - and I have known far more animals
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 02:41 AM
Sep 2015

of the non-human variety that were worth risking my life for.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
30. Logically, you must know that not everyone thinks as you do.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

Logically, we understand that values perceptions differ.

I like knowing that on the wide spectrum of human behavior, there are people who will go to the compassionate extreme, because we all know there are plenty on the other end of the curve.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
39. Think of all the people killed and maimed by automobiles as they go about their useless business.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 04:40 PM
Sep 2015

Now THAT'S illogical...

I'd rather die saving foxes than die doing something truly silly like driving a car to the hardware store to buy something I "need" to fix a gasoline powered lawn-mower, or a pack of cigarettes.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
14. In the past few days
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 08:32 PM
Sep 2015

we've seen a video of kittens being pulled out of water in Alabama (?) and now foxes being rescued in Saskatchewan. Does a human body good.

K&R

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
31. I'd like thinning the herd residing at the opposite end of the behavior spectrum...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

The selfish, heartless end.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
21. Love these men.
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:42 PM
Sep 2015

I hope their friends and loved ones celebrated them afterwards for their courage and kindness.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
34. That was a foolish thing for those men to do.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 01:55 PM
Sep 2015

Sure, it's a feel-good story. It was more likely that one or both of them would drown in their attempt to save the fox kits.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
40. That site has another sweet story of rescued foxes--plus a video of them
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 05:18 PM
Sep 2015

romping together once they meet and have g4own strong enough to play.
https://www.thedodo.com/dead-fox-gets-rescued-1330458379.html

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
43. Beautiful.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 06:55 PM
Sep 2015

Real people in their real, everyday lives, making an enormous difference. They let you know you can donate to them, but very unobtrusively.

Not asking for fame, recognition, or public plaudits, they have my attention.

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
44. Did you read the heartbreaking story of Olive, the dog who has spent her entire
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:23 PM
Sep 2015

life in the shelter? At 11 years old, she has little time left, and they are hoping she can spend her twilight years in a loving home, since she can't have all that much time left, and she has never had her own family or home.

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