Chrissie Hynde: "Women ‘Entice’ Rapists with Provocative Clothing"

[pokerfan]

The Pretenders’ lead singer Chrissie Hynde is facing heat today for comments she made about rape in an interview with The Sunday Times of London. “You know if you don’t want to entice a rapist, don’t wear high heels so you can’t run from him,” she said. “If I’m walking around in my underwear and I’m drunk. Who else’s fault can it be?”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/chrissie-hynde-women-entice-rapists-with-provocative-clothing/

[grossproffit]

1. What a dangerous message to send. I'm disgusted.

[pokerfan]

5. Very disappointing

for her to take the blame for the criminal act of another. Not very unlike when a battered wife blames herself for the beatings... "It's my fault. I shouldn't upset him."

[uriel1972]

2. Some guys get off on the Nun thing...

So is a habit provocative clothing?
As for the "Who else's fault is it?"
Uh, maybe the rapist has some agency here.

[SummerSnow]

3. guess you're enticing rapist in this picture hu?

[DirkGently]

4. Well that's weird and disappointing. Doesn't she let Limbaugh

... use one of her songs ("My City is Gone&quot as his bumper music? Googled that a moment ago, and someone out there claims she allowed it to send the proceeds to PETA.

Marc Maron interviewed her on his WTF podcast once, and I thought she was fascinating. No hint I recall of anything like this.

[UTUSN]

6. Yip, she said it was O.K. with her because her parents like LIMBOsevic. n/t

[Solly Mack]

7. She needs to seek help. She blames herself for her own rape

and is projecting her own feelings of guilt and self-blame onto others.

Of course my first thought was - "Fuck off, dipshit"

[DirkGently]

8. Thought that too. Very sad if she processed her own

attack in that way, blaming herself.

[Solly Mack]

14. It really is sad.

[Solly Mack]

15. Saying that she is having a fairly typical reaction to her own rape is lecturing in your universe?

Victims of rape all too often blame themselves and feel guilty. They try and figure out what they did wrong, when they aren't the blame - ever. My saying she is doing that isn't lecturing.

She needs help. That's not lecturing either.

I feel sorry for her. That's not lecturing either.

Oh, and in case you didn't know - it's not "splaining" her rape to her either.

However, she is trying to explain how it's sometimes the fault of women when they get raped.

I've seen her reaction in survivor's group. Survivors blaming themselves and then telling other survivors it's their fault too.

It's never - ever - the victim's fault.

[beam me up scottie]

16. Thank you Solly.

You said it better than I ever could have.

[Solly Mack]

17. It's sad when a victim blames herself.

When they think how they dress or what shoes they wear or their location somehow means they are responsible for the actions of a rapist.

We both know how some women think it can't happen to them because they're "good girls", but what a lot of people don't know is that some victims of rape are convinced they are somehow bad, somehow deserving. It's the flip-side of the ignorant "good girls don't get raped" mentality. If good girls don't get raped, then it is the "bad" girls that do. And if bad girls do, then some women think they must be somehow bad.

Sadly enough, some women actually take comfort in thinking that because it's a form of regaining control. If you think you did something wrong and rape was the result of your own actions, then you can keep it from happening again by becoming a "good girl".

No where in that equation is responsibility placed where it belongs - on the rapist. (and the culture that perpetuates that thinking)

And you and I both know what that bullshit standard of good girl v bad girl thinking is rooted in. (sexism, control of women, society setting standards based on paternalistic, misogynistic beliefs)

Oops! My bad! I'm lecturing again.

[beam me up scottie]

19. Ha ha, I love your "lectures"!

Yes, I blame the culture too.

What's the first thing people think when they hear a woman was raped?

What was she wearing, where was she, was she drunk?

If it's "date" (ugh-hate that term) rape why was she in his apartment, did she lead him on, did she regret consensual sex and is just claiming she was raped?

And on and on.

It's never what was wrong with him, it's always what did she do wrong.




Is it any wonder that women blame themselves?

[Solly Mack]

20. The term "date rape" chaps my arse too.

It's a term loaded with subtext that only serves to discredit the victim.

I agree. No wonder at all.

[suffragette]

21. Well said, Solly.

If this is a lecture, then lecture on!

[Solly Mack]

23. Thank you, suffragette.

[Gormy Cuss]

34. I think there is also a generational element to the blaming.

When Hynde was growing up that was the prevailing sentiment --that women who were raped were somehow complicit either by how they dressed, whether they were high, or whether they walked alone at night, etc. Although 2nd wave feminists were out and about talking about this misconception even when she was a young girl, their perspective was not commonly acknowledged.

[Solly Mack]

35. I think you're right.

When talking to older women (I'm in my 50's), some do hold to that thinking.

They were conditioned to be responsible for a man's actions. Whatever the man did, somehow it was the result of the woman's actions. They weren't nice enough, good enough, dressed properly, or behaved in an "unladylike fashion".

But that is also about taking control (of sort) within a system that allows women only a certain kind of control over their lives. If the woman lives up to a certain expectation and if she behaves in a certain manner, then bad things don't happen to her. So, if she does do those things, and believes those things, and acts accordingly, she's in charge of how things go. All the burden and all the consequence, with the socially prescribed "benefit" of being seen as a good girl, a good wife, a good daughter - all bestowed because she follows the standards set for her by men.

If you can control nothing else, you can control your own behavior - and while that is true (to a point) - it's been use as a cudgel to beat women over the head. The woman wasn't merely expected to control her own behavior, she was told that her behavior, or misbehavior - as defined by a patriarchal society - determined how the men in her life behaved. "Boys will be boys", so you better be a good girl so they can be good boys. Otherwise it's all your fault.

You're in charge - you have the control (since your behavior determines everyone else's)...and you get all the blame. If he beats you - you're at fault. If you get raped, you're at fault. You surrendered your control when you stepped outside the lines and caused the bad things to happen.

Always blaming the mother was born from that thinking.

[LeftOfWest]

22. rec all your posts in this thread.

thanks Solly Mack.

[Solly Mack]

24. Thanks, LeftOfWest.

[Arugula Latte]

9. Wow. And down goes another person I used to admire.

Shit.

[geardaddy]

36. Yep, me too.

SMH

[cyberswede]

10. "Who else’s fault can it be?” Really?

Um...maybe THE CRMINAL'S fault?

[MohRokTah]

11. I will neer be able to look at her in te same light again.

I am so disapointed and will never purchase another piece of music from her again.

[alp227]

13. Yep, the lyrics to "Brass in Pocket" seem much more creepy now. nt

[steve2470]

18. really sad and unfortunate she sees rape like this nt

[LeftOfWest]

26. Raise your boys to keep their penises in their pants

NO MATTER WHAT.

Your fucking literal penis is NOT ENTITLED to anything.


Raise your boys NOT TO RAPE NO MATTER WHAT.

[MADem]

27. Musicians are not gifted with extra-ordinary abilities in other areas, often as not.

Just because someone can belt out a catchy tune doesn't make them particularly insightful, brilliantly intelligent, and able to understand the mysteries of the universe better than us mere mortals.

She's a woman in her mid sixties who endured a traumatic experience and is processing it as best she, personally, can manage. She'd probably do well to get some help but that's up to her--no one can force her to take those steps. If she were a relative of mine I'd give her some advice, but she's not so I won't.

[madokie]

28. Some people are just plain ass stupid

and I think this person fits that to a T

[MrMickeysMom]

29. You know, I seem to remember reading an early Chrissie Hynde Rolling Stone article...

… which basically showed her as someone who would keep working, even if it meant sex... Maybe she was just being metaphoric…who knows? Most of what she's said is outside of "pretending", so I can't say she's anything like politically correct.

But, I see that she and Ray Davie's daughter walks the walk when gluing herself to signs and getting arrested as an anti-fracking activist …

[Ilsa]

30. "If I'm asleep in my bedroom in my home and the doors and

Windows are locked, then whose fault is it, you stupid ass, Chrissie?"

[Ilsa]

31. "If I'm an athlete wearing running shoes and the

rapist jumps me or runs faster than me, then whose fault is it, you asshole, Chrissie?"

[geardaddy]

32. Lucinda isn't happy with Chrissie

From Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/LucindaWilliams/posts/10153646774809189

"I can't believe this fucking shit! Come on, Chrissie! You and Joan Jett should form a club! Jesus!!"

[One_Life_To_Give]

33. Cause wearing a Burqua while drunk will totally protect you

Among all of the things one might do to help avoid being the victim of a crime. Changing the Hem Length doesn't even bear a mention. Heels rates about the same as being on Crutches in that either combined with remote locations might make one more vulnerable. None of which has anything to do with the desire of someone to commit a crime. People don't see a Trump or Zuckerberg and suddenly become pickpockets. Neither do rapists suddenly decide to rape when they see a leg.

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If such clothing leaves guys uncontrollable. I call dib's on having an ambulance service following Ronda around. Could make a fortune picking up all the guys with busted noses.

FYI the Pic is UFC Champ Ronda Rousey

[KamaAina]

37. I went back to Ohio, and my brain was gone

[daleo]

38. Chrissie's ok about many subjects

It is too bad she is so wrong on this one.