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nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:19 PM Aug 2015

Gerrymander attempt goes horribly wrong

Downtown merchants in Columbia, MO gerrymandered a special district that contained no residents. They wanted to ram through a tax initiative, and under the law, if there are no voters in the district, then property owners (i.e. merchants) get to make the decision.

But, wait, what? The district they engineered actually contained one voter -- a 23-year-old college student. She will be the only one who will get to vote on the proposal -- and word is that she's not too keen on it.



http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/local/college-student-would-be-sole-voter-in-cid-sales-tax/article_6702c44b-0243-51f8-861c-1df0b462cd92.html

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Gerrymander attempt goes horribly wrong (Original Post) nichomachus Aug 2015 OP
She better hope she doesn't get evicted before the election. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #1
I wondered how her landlord felt about the CID, but since it's university-owned petronius Aug 2015 #6
I don't know nichomachus Aug 2015 #10
Ouch. Well in that case, I'm a lot less confident. Glad to see that they petronius Aug 2015 #17
Karma lives. GoneFishin Aug 2015 #2
You need to put ***NOT THE ONION*** in your title corkhead Aug 2015 #3
Our word for the day: Schadenfreude CincyDem Aug 2015 #53
Ha ha, Republicans shenmue Aug 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author philosslayer Aug 2015 #5
did you read the article? snooper2 Aug 2015 #7
I wonder how much money she will be offered for her vote n2doc Aug 2015 #8
Make her vote electronically Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #28
Stop giving them ideas! d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #50
If she plays her cards right... KansDem Aug 2015 #29
I hope they try to rig Marty McGraw Aug 2015 #59
Hilarious! DirkGently Aug 2015 #9
And They were "surprised" she viewed being asked to give up her right to vote negatively?? Kber Aug 2015 #55
I think this thoughtful young person should run for office. Doesn't her district need a representative? pnwmom Aug 2015 #11
We're set on good progressive state reps and candidates right now loyalsister Aug 2015 #12
If she represents her own district on the City council, what voter will criticize her? pnwmom Aug 2015 #15
It's not a council district though -- it doesn't have a seat... (nt) petronius Aug 2015 #18
It's not a voting district loyalsister Aug 2015 #22
Gerrymandered down to 1 vote. I guess real democracy is just too much for RepubliCONS. n/t fasttense Aug 2015 #13
It could be worse: Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #23
well hey that's more than we used to do in Chicago elehhhhna Aug 2015 #52
Rec! progressoid Aug 2015 #14
Wonder if there is still time or places to move some friendly folks in for the Cons? rurallib Aug 2015 #16
Sounds like the Rotten Boroughs before the 1832 Reform Act! LeftishBrit Aug 2015 #19
Swing voter Capt. Obvious Aug 2015 #20
Yet Congress won't talk about term limits or fixing THEIR gerrymandering, ILLEGAL mess! Rex Aug 2015 #21
This happened under a term limited general assembly loyalsister Aug 2015 #24
That sound so criminal, I am at a loss for words. Rex Aug 2015 #31
Criminal- but unfortunately not illegal loyalsister Aug 2015 #32
Ugh and of course his name would be Rex. Rex Aug 2015 #35
MO is a lost cause at the moment loyalsister Aug 2015 #37
Sounds like Wisconsin. My heart goes out to all the Dems in those states. Rex Aug 2015 #39
Right now it's young baby boomers and gen Xers running the show loyalsister Aug 2015 #41
lol Renew Deal Aug 2015 #25
Seems like that violates her right to a secret ballot Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #26
That only applies in the voting booth loyalsister Aug 2015 #38
I though the whole purpose of a secret ballot Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #45
It's determined by state loyalsister Aug 2015 #47
Oh, OK. I've never heard about it in WI or I would be looking people up. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #49
It takes a lot of work! loyalsister Aug 2015 #51
You have to love it when stuff like this backfires liberal N proud Aug 2015 #27
Progressives in COMO are loving it! loyalsister Aug 2015 #36
Awesomesauce! KamaAina Aug 2015 #30
Explosive diharrea in yo face, GOP Blue Owl Aug 2015 #33
Election night results: 'With 100% of the vote in, proposed measure fails.' I hope... n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #34
It looks like that's how it will go loyalsister Aug 2015 #40
+1. They want the district run by 'property owners'? Sounds like 'Constitution Party' at work. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #54
There's also something delicious about "job creators" asking for tax increases IronLionZion Aug 2015 #42
"Job creators" love sales taxes loyalsister Aug 2015 #48
I thought sales taxes discourage consumers from buying stuff? IronLionZion Aug 2015 #58
At some point people have to buy food loyalsister Aug 2015 #60
I noticed this in the news yesterday, how great is that? I love it! DrewFlorida Aug 2015 #43
Here's a more thorough explanation... loyalsister Aug 2015 #44
The cosmos has a sharp sense of irony. nt hifiguy Aug 2015 #46
She should run for every office available in that district. toddwv Aug 2015 #56
I hope that voter stays safe. nt valerief Aug 2015 #57
Check out this map of the ward I live in here in Chicago: mucifer Aug 2015 #61

petronius

(26,602 posts)
6. I wondered how her landlord felt about the CID, but since it's university-owned
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:48 PM
Aug 2015

(and a public university) she's probably pretty safe from pressure in that direction.

I have no idea if this CID is a good thing or bad, but it's a hilarious story either way...

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
10. I don't know
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:17 PM
Aug 2015

The university just canceled health-insurance for graduate students -- and gave them 24 hours notice.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
17. Ouch. Well in that case, I'm a lot less confident. Glad to see that they
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

at least deferred the action until next year (under pressure) - pulling the plug on grad student health insurance just before school starts is a seriously seedy move. No administrator who actually thinks about students could have failed to understand the impact that would have...

Response to shenmue (Reply #4)

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
8. I wonder how much money she will be offered for her vote
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:09 PM
Aug 2015

Or if they will just try to make it impossible to count her vote.

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
28. Make her vote electronically
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015

Switch the vote and call her a liar. (Better make it illegal to use a cellphone camera in the booth first)

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
9. Hilarious!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:16 PM
Aug 2015

Henderson said she doesn’t want her involvement with the CID to be private. She said Gartner initially approached her in June to explain the goals of the CID and ask her to consider “unregistering her vote” so the property owners could make the decision. The more she researched the situation, Henderson said, things “just didn’t seem to be as good as they were saying to me at first.”


So the idea was to levy a sales tax that nearby residents would have to pay, but manipulate the boundaries so no it contained no residents, which would allow only businesses to decide?

Screw that. Doesn't matter whether the tax is a great idea or a bad one. Scheming to cut the people who would be paying it out of the vote is pure slime.

Kber

(5,043 posts)
55. And They were "surprised" she viewed being asked to give up her right to vote negatively??
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:41 PM
Aug 2015

Where's the "I smell bullshit" icon when you need it?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
11. I think this thoughtful young person should run for office. Doesn't her district need a representative?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:18 PM
Aug 2015

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
12. We're set on good progressive state reps and candidates right now
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

We also have a great state senate candidate. City council? If she's interested in hard work with very little pay ($6,000\yr) and extremely harsh criticism we can always use good council members.

I do hope that she will be active in local politics, though.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
15. If she represents her own district on the City council, what voter will criticize her?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:46 PM
Aug 2015

It sounds like she'd have a lock on the voters in her district.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
22. It's not a voting district
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:08 PM
Aug 2015

In MO, there is a process for carving out commercial districts which can be taxed differently from the rest of the city and state. They are like islands that lie within legislative and municipal voting districts.
The business owners benefit because the money for those taxes goes towards commercial improvements. All sales tax hikes are subject to voter approval- assuming there are residents to vote. If there aren't, the business owners decide. The lobbyists and legislators tried to draw this commercial district so that there would be no residents to vote.

ooops. There is one, and her ballot will be different from the other citizens in her voting district. It looks like she is going to stand up and fight the power.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
23. It could be worse:
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

Before the 1832 reform, there were districts in the UK where absolutely no-one lived. In Old Salem for instance, there were only seven makeshift huts, which were unoccupied until three days before the election, when the land-owner brought in seven carefully selected, bought and paid-for 'voters' who would then send the owner's preferred candidate (who had a registered address in another unoccupied hut on the property) to Westminster.

rurallib

(62,420 posts)
16. Wonder if there is still time or places to move some friendly folks in for the Cons?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

didn't see a voting time or if there were empty residences in that area. I have no doubt that this is another option that is or has been explored.

Hope she gets to be the only vote and she votes against the sales tax.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Yet Congress won't talk about term limits or fixing THEIR gerrymandering, ILLEGAL mess!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:57 PM
Aug 2015

Too fucked up, but that is America 2015 for ya!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
24. This happened under a term limited general assembly
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:14 PM
Aug 2015

They had nothing to lose and only golden parachutes to gain when they finish their terms with a vote like this. It's the ultimate corporate welfare to be able to target small geographic areas for tax hikes that will fund "local" business improvements. What usually happens is developers come in and suck up the money to build big boxes or other chains.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
32. Criminal- but unfortunately not illegal
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:29 PM
Aug 2015

This is also a state with no limits on campaign contributions AND our own local Koch stepbrother..

Rex Sinquefield is a major financial contributor to political campaigns of both political parties in Missouri politics.[22] According to a 2015 Governing Magazine article, "big majorities" in both houses of the Missouri legislature have received campaign contributions from Sinquefield.[23] He has particularly focused on supporting education reform, tax reform by removing sources of revenue to the state government, and accountability in government.[citation needed] Sinquefield advocates replacing Missouri's income tax with a state sales tax.[23] Sinquefield is the founder of the Show-Me Institute, a pro-free market think tank.[23]

In 2014, he donated $1 million to Republican Bev Randles' 2016 campaign for Lieutenant Governor of Missouri.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Sinquefield
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
35. Ugh and of course his name would be Rex.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:34 PM
Aug 2015

We have GOT to get dirty business out of government or die trying.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
37. MO is a lost cause at the moment
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:44 PM
Aug 2015

Veto proof GOP majorities in both chambers and the next governor was a republican until 2007. We are in a mess, and I am not sure how we can fix it. We need a revolution! Hopefully, a start will be getting millennials elected.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
39. Sounds like Wisconsin. My heart goes out to all the Dems in those states.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:51 PM
Aug 2015

I agree, we need new faces with new ideas getting elected. We already know what the GOP old guard wants - to control us all and make us all wage slaves.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
41. Right now it's young baby boomers and gen Xers running the show
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:59 PM
Aug 2015

They are an extremely conservative lot. The majority of under 35 reps and senators who are getting elected in some areas (3 in mine) are a bright spot.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
38. That only applies in the voting booth
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:47 PM
Aug 2015

Voting records are legally available via the county clerk. Parties make us of them when plotting strategies to court voters and donors.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
45. I though the whole purpose of a secret ballot
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:42 PM
Aug 2015

Is so nobody could potentially take retribution, whether it be an employer, or just a common criminal. What is the purpose if it is only while you mark your ballot?

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
51. It takes a lot of work!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:01 PM
Aug 2015

I have seen what the campaigns get and they have to put in a lot of work organizing it for their use. They use those lists to determine who to spend time courting via phone, door-to-door canvasing, and fundraising. It probably saves them some time and fruitless effort in the end.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
36. Progressives in COMO are loving it!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:38 PM
Aug 2015

It's a great "fight the power" moment and I am thrilled to see the knockout come from a 23 yr old student.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
30. Awesomesauce!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:17 PM
Aug 2015

I'm sure loyalsister will approve as well.

So, basically, she's the mayor of downtown CoMo. She can ram through any initiative she wants! loyal and I need to talk to her about creating some disability access downtown.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
40. It looks like that's how it will go
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

"Henderson said she doesn’t want her involvement with the CID to be private. She said Gartner initially approached her in June to explain the goals of the CID and ask her to consider “unregistering her vote” so the property owners could make the decision. The more she researched the situation, Henderson said, things “just didn’t seem to be as good as they were saying to me at first.”

Gartner “tried to get me to unregister, and that’s pretty manipulative,” Henderson said. “The district plan and the district border is manipulative, too.”

I wouldn't blamer her if she voted against it out of spite.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
42. There's also something delicious about "job creators" asking for tax increases
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

and good liberals opposing tax increases! Especially on consumption (sales)

Good for this woman for standing strong. If it were me, I'd probably be open to getting bribed with free food and drinks or something.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
60. At some point people have to buy food
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:30 AM
Aug 2015

toilet papers, and other essentials. Sales taxes are regressive. Republicans would love to eliminate income taxes and have sales taxes be the main source of revenue.
The property owners will be okay no matter how much the stores bring in, anyway.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
43. I noticed this in the news yesterday, how great is that? I love it!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:21 PM
Aug 2015

I love when the "Mad Scientist" scheme goes horribly wrong and blows up in the con-artist's faces!

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
44. Here's a more thorough explanation...
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:35 PM
Aug 2015

I disagree mightily with the columnist's conclusions, but it's a good presentation of the situation.

The drama is playing out on Business Loop 70, where contiguous business interests have spent time and money concocting a community improvement district like the one encompassing downtown. Moreover, they have engaged former downtown guru Carrie Gartner as their director, the one person in the world with the most experience designing and creating a CID district in Columbia, Missouri.

According to state law, a CID board draws boundaries and property owners in the area decide whether to ask the city to establish the district with power to enact sales taxes. If no residents live within the district boundaries, the vote to establish the sales tax is left to property owners. Property assessments already have been approved by business interests in the district. Both special taxes must be ratified by the city council.

Gartner & Co. drew their district lines very carefully to include all the interested business interests and no nearby residents. But they made a mistake, failing to exclude a lone dwelling located on the Mizzou North campus where University of Missouri student Jen Henderson lives. Henderson is a registered voter and says she is skeptical of the district. If she follows through with a “no” vote, the district idea is dead.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/opinion/the_tribunes_view/loop/article_d2d36e99-3954-5250-b8f4-f4a487be1e3e.html?comments=focus


If she votes this down, I hope some progressive organization gives her an award!
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