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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:06 AM Aug 2015

Cops Nab 5-Year-Old for Wearing Wrong Color Shoes to School

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/01/18/cops-nab-five-year-old-wearing-wrong-color-shoes-school

In Mississippi, if kindergarteners violate the dress code or act out in class, they may end up in the back of a police car.

A story about one five-year-old particularly stands out. The little boy was required to wear black shoes to school. Because he didn’t have black shoes, his mom used a marker to cover up his white and red sneakers. A bit of red and white were still noticeable, so the child was taken home by the cops.

The child was escorted out of school so he and his mother would be taught a lesson.

Ridiculous? Perhaps. But incidents such as this are happening across Mississippi. A new report, “Handcuffs on Success: The Extreme School Discipline Crisis in Mississippi Public Schools,” exposes just how bad it’s become.

Released on January 17, the report is a joint project between state chapters of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), and the Mississippi Coalition for the Prevention of Schoolhouse to Jailhouse and the Advancement Project.

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Cops Nab 5-Year-Old for Wearing Wrong Color Shoes to School (Original Post) eridani Aug 2015 OP
Remind me to never go to Mississippi. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #1
It's not just Mississippi. This nonsense goes on all over the country. Chakab Aug 2015 #9
No worries FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #19
Things seem to be getting way, way, way ridiculous Art_from_Ark Aug 2015 #2
It's the authoritarian mental state. Similar to paranoia. Huddie94 Aug 2015 #15
Authoritarian personality should be an Axis II personality disorder meow2u3 Aug 2015 #40
Amen, meow2u3. Huddie94 Aug 2015 #45
Not if you have private prisons to fill malaise Aug 2015 #17
well, that seems reasonable. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #3
Any school that does this romanic Aug 2015 #4
Their answer is to humiliate people who don't octoberlib Aug 2015 #5
Exactly. This is just cringeworthy. SwissTony Aug 2015 #7
Have to condition police state mentality at a young age. Downwinder Aug 2015 #6
This is why I do not believe in public school uniforms classykaren Aug 2015 #8
I think that would depend on how the policy is carried out. eridani Aug 2015 #10
I agree. romanic Aug 2015 #13
I'm generally in favor of school uniforms bhikkhu Aug 2015 #22
You gotta teach them early on that cops are not there to help people. DetlefK Aug 2015 #11
Punishment for being poor get the red out Aug 2015 #12
Heartbreaking. That poor little boy. yardwork Aug 2015 #14
That's heartbreaking. What a way to shame and traumatize TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #16
Shameful! brer cat Aug 2015 #18
Why the heck don't the police tell the schools to "F" off. That's not their job. Fla Dem Aug 2015 #20
Do you know any cops? Ask them. Taitertots Aug 2015 #21
No I personally do not know any cop. I just can't believe they think this is in their job descript. Fla Dem Aug 2015 #23
Thankfully, LWolf Aug 2015 #24
They're sending police to enforce a dress code for 5-year olds? Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #25
Next time they will shoot him. seaotter Aug 2015 #26
Stuff like this make me Faux pas Aug 2015 #27
Another story with a Dumbfuckistan byline. Stinky The Clown Aug 2015 #28
Some who would call themselves liberals are just as hifiguy Aug 2015 #37
Fascism/ authoritarianism is thickest in the red states Lorien Aug 2015 #29
Unprofessional behavior starts in the classroom Generic Other Aug 2015 #30
Don't read the comments. People are horrible. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #31
Disgusting. nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #32
Calling all cars, we have a 2834 in progress at Happy Funtime Kindergarten. hughee99 Aug 2015 #33
2 year old article. I wonder what's happened since? Shrike47 Aug 2015 #34
Any kid who is willingly at school should be allowed to wear any color shoes. Vinca Aug 2015 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #36
So, you interrupt this child's education Tsiyu Aug 2015 #38
School-to-prison pipeline. KamaAina Aug 2015 #39
Here's a link to the January 2013 report struggle4progress Aug 2015 #41
Thank god the cops are spending their time on the things that are a REAL threat to society. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #42
Damn Solly Mack Aug 2015 #43
A chronic trouble maker. lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #44
Authoritarians see schools as pre-prison or DirkGently Aug 2015 #46
Lawsuit treestar Aug 2015 #47
Over policed uponit7771 Aug 2015 #48

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
2. Things seem to be getting way, way, way ridiculous
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:13 AM
Aug 2015

Calling the police in for such trivial matters is stupid beyond belief.

 

Huddie94

(25 posts)
15. It's the authoritarian mental state. Similar to paranoia.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:53 AM
Aug 2015

We don't have this individual authoritarian state defined as a mental disorder. It's not an Axis II psychological category like these recognized mental problems:

Antisocial Personality Disorder
Avoidant Personality Disorder
Borderline Personality Disorder
Dependent Personality Disorder
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
Paranoid Personality Disorder
Schizoid Personality Disorder
Schizotypal Personality Disorder

For me, I'd rather deal with a moderate case of paranoia or the lies of a mild antisoocial (aka sociopath) than go to a school run by an over the edge authoritarian.

Authoritarian personality disorder is a major cause of social disfunction worldwide. Mississippi suffers more than most of us.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
40. Authoritarian personality should be an Axis II personality disorder
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:54 PM
Aug 2015

This disturbed personality type has wreaked more havoc on the world than most personality disturbances.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
4. Any school that does this
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:44 AM
Aug 2015

should be slapped with fines for misusing emergency services. We do it when idiots make false emergencies to 911, the same should be done for these idiotic schools.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
7. Exactly. This is just cringeworthy.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:03 AM
Aug 2015

And why can't kids have different coloured shoes?

They did this to a 5-year old? That is child abuse.

Why don't the cops just say "Hey school, go..."?

classykaren

(769 posts)
8. This is why I do not believe in public school uniforms
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:59 AM
Aug 2015

Many schools in Florida require this kinda crap. Parents say they approve. Except in a wealthy area near me Dozens of parents went to the schoolboard meeting very upset. Talking about China how this stifles children' s creativity.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. I think that would depend on how the policy is carried out.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:21 AM
Aug 2015

I wore "uniforms" of a sort through 12 years of Catholic schooling. No rules about shoes or socks, except for no tennis shoes. Just plain, and pretty inexpensive, dark blue pants or pleated skirts, and white blouses or shirts. Dark blue cardigans for winter wear. I hated spending time on deciding what to wear, and didn't mind the uniforms--three blouses, two skirts, one sweater. Only wished there had been a pants option for girls for cold weather. Two rules about hair--no DAs ("duck's ass) cuts for boys or teased hair for girls. Otherwise no restrictions on length or style. In grade school, none of the boys would have been caught dead with long hair anyway.

In high school, things could get sticky when longer hair for boys became popular, and shorter skirts for girls. After school, girls would roll the waistbands up to get a shorter look, but we never tried to do it in class. There were more than a few conflicts with teachers then if the teachers thought we were being smartasses. There really weren't any kids wealthy enough to show off, so that wasn't an issue even on weekends.

Some of the current policies seem way too tightassed by comparison.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
13. I agree.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:51 AM
Aug 2015

Private schools is one thing, I can even make an exception for so-called charter schools; but public school uniforms are just ridiculous. What I've also noticed is that most of the public schools with uniform codes are in low-income, mostly minority districts. Take that as you will.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
22. I'm generally in favor of school uniforms
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:42 AM
Aug 2015

as they level the playing field of income inequality and save parents and kids from a lot of embarrassment, stress and discrimination. I went to private school from 1st through 8th and we had a simple uniform. Kids were a mix of rich and poor, but it was never apparent in the classroom or the playground, and I don't recall ever thinking about it much. That's a huge difference from my own kid's experience.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. You gotta teach them early on that cops are not there to help people.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:30 AM
Aug 2015

They are there to protect the status quo, not you.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. That's heartbreaking. What a way to shame and traumatize
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:29 AM
Aug 2015

a child. It's impossible to believe that people are that hateful and ignorant.

brer cat

(24,568 posts)
18. Shameful!
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:09 AM
Aug 2015

It is hard to wrap my mind around policies that result in painful humiliation for young children.

Fla Dem

(23,677 posts)
20. Why the heck don't the police tell the schools to "F" off. That's not their job.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:24 AM
Aug 2015

I can't believe any cop would feel good about having to transport a little 5yo home because he had the wrong type of shoes. That is just so F'd up.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
21. Do you know any cops? Ask them.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:31 AM
Aug 2015

The person you think is a "good cop" needs to hear you tell them that this is unacceptable.

Fla Dem

(23,677 posts)
23. No I personally do not know any cop. I just can't believe they think this is in their job descript.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:47 AM
Aug 2015

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
24. Thankfully,
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 10:52 AM
Aug 2015

there are some places left in the country where sanity maintains a threshold.

Not that dress codes don't always spark dissent; they do. There are always people passionate on all sides of the argument. Everybody's line of "appropriate" seems to be different.

It would be nice, though, if we could avoid extremes.

The bottom line here, though, isn't about dress code at all. It's the authoritarian bullying taken to extremes: "extreme school discipline." It's a mindset that needs some intervention.

To say the least.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
25. They're sending police to enforce a dress code for 5-year olds?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:44 AM
Aug 2015

Actual, sworn, law enforcement officers? FOR THIS??? Honest to god, doesn't Mississippi have other, more dangerous, 'criminals' to investigate? Unbelievable.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. Some who would call themselves liberals are just as
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

blinkered and intolerant.

See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027118037

And there are more than a few high-octane authoritarians right here on DU.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
29. Fascism/ authoritarianism is thickest in the red states
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

That's what all of this has been leading up to; the militarization of the police, the police brutality, the absurd Nationalism, the racism and xenophobia, the acceptance of capital punishment for the most trivial of missteps (not even "crimes&quot . The few right wingers on my Facebook feed are constantly posting memes and articles about how "there has to be a law against wearing baggy pants!", "Yoga pants should be outlawed! We need modesty laws for women to keep them safe!" "Anyone who lets their underwear show above their waist needs to be locked up!" "guy invents new floatation device to wear on the wrist; swimming and boating without one needs to be outlawed!"

So the old saying is truer today than ever:

Democrats: Freedom for people, regulate corporations

Republicans: Freedom for corporations, regulate people.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
30. Unprofessional behavior starts in the classroom
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:17 PM
Aug 2015

where the first teacher this child met betrayed him, stained her profession, and embarrassed her state. Then her administrators followed her lead. These are not educators. They are prison guards.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
31. Don't read the comments. People are horrible.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
Aug 2015

"I'm {sic} don't even understand why we give the ungrateful black community free education. What have they done to deserve it?"

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
33. Calling all cars, we have a 2834 in progress at Happy Funtime Kindergarten.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 12:40 PM
Aug 2015

Requesting backup and the K-9 Unit. Swat on standby.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
35. Any kid who is willingly at school should be allowed to wear any color shoes.
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

It's clear Mississippi has too many cops if they spend their time checking shoe color.

Response to eridani (Original post)

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
38. So, you interrupt this child's education
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:08 PM
Aug 2015

because the family is poor?

That'll surely help the South rise agin'.

Just send all the poor kids home from school, then arrest them when they're old enough to be tried as adults. Instant prison workforce.

Gotta love the mercy and wisdom of the Bobble Belt. They surely know how to show compassion to "the least of these," and how to be kind to small children.

That awesome Lard and Savyurr TRANSFORMS hearts and minds! Praise Jayzussssssssss!!!!!!






DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
46. Authoritarians see schools as pre-prison or
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:51 AM
Aug 2015

... corporate profit centers. Beat the poor down and get them into the system, or grab millions in tax dollars for perfunctory training in test taking.

You see this thinking repeated all over the country.

It's education itself they'd like to destroy. If you can't afford private school to be groomed for the next CEO position, you need to start learning your place as a criminal defendant.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. Lawsuit
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:55 AM
Aug 2015

cops have no jurisdiction for such a thing. They should have told the school people to fuck off. They are not for that, and should not go near any child unless they are in danger. They don't get to detain anyone for less than probable cause or reasonable suspicion under Terry.

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