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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:00 PM Aug 2015

Go Trump Go. The Longer He Goes The Better It Is For Dems.

Even though Trump is a jerk in every respect. His continuing position in the polls and the public the better it is for the Dems. And the farther he moves the debate to the right. As long as the media focuses on him and forces other to outdo him the more damage it does to the other party. As a strategist I would not do anything to take him down. I might not necessarily help him either. I would let the GOP deal with him and hope they screw up royally.

We don't want to end up with someone like Walker or Kasich. Walker would have virtually a billion or so dollars behind him. We need to give the Kochs some real problems.

We simply cannot afford any Republican really in a position of power. They have just become too destructive. The more they suffer the better I like it.

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Go Trump Go. The Longer He Goes The Better It Is For Dems. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Aug 2015 OP
There is something that concerns me about his popularity: CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2015 #1
I would let the Kochs and the GOP donor class do the dirty work Gothmog Aug 2015 #3
Yes There Is A Risk. Trump Would Be The Weakest. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2015 #5
Agreed Gothmog Aug 2015 #2
Go, as in "Go home." Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #4
IMHO he can't implode soon enough kimbutgar Aug 2015 #6
Yes There Is A Danger. I Want Him To Implode At A Time It Is Too Late For The Others. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2015 #7
Long term it's likely better. Short term I am not sure. stevenleser Aug 2015 #8
If Trump Were Really A Threat To Elected. We Really Are Nuts As A Nation. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2015 #9
Perceived strength is still a big deal and Trump pushes the strength button for many folks. stevenleser Aug 2015 #13
How Does He Win A GE? Skraxx Aug 2015 #10
Massive money plus massive fraud. Both are entirely possible. n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #12
Massive Money I'm Not Worried About, Diminishing Returns. Fraud is Possible, But Unlikely to Succeed Skraxx Aug 2015 #15
The strategy is actually pretty simple. But I am not going to post it publicly. I will PM you. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #14
I'd Be Interested in Hearing It Skraxx Aug 2015 #16
People might have thought that about Hitler once. He acted crazy, too. pnwmom Aug 2015 #11
Dangerous, dangerous game you are advocating Dems to Win Aug 2015 #17
You Make A Good Point. The "Terminator" Was An Idiot As Governor. TheMastersNemesis Aug 2015 #18
The only answer is public financing. One gets x amount of dollars and thats it. sailfla Aug 2015 #19
While I think he dooms the GOP in 2016 the lasting impact of this Nativist in Chief dragging our pampango Aug 2015 #20
One danger is that the eventual nominee looks reasonable by comparison. Jim Lane Aug 2015 #21

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,622 posts)
1. There is something that concerns me about his popularity:
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:03 PM
Aug 2015

The more he carries on, the higher his support grows among the older white males who feel disenfranchised. If he gets enough of them to keep his numbers up, he could get the R nomination--and the presidency.

I know it's a long shot, but we need to take steps to stop him.

Gothmog

(145,250 posts)
3. I would let the Kochs and the GOP donor class do the dirty work
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

When an opponent is hurting himself, you do not stop the hurt

Gothmog

(145,250 posts)
2. Agreed
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:04 PM
Aug 2015

Trump is hurting the GOP with some key voting groups. At somepoint, the Kochs and the GOP donor class will step in and then we can see some fun fights

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
4. Go, as in "Go home."
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:11 PM
Aug 2015

He's exposed the GOP base as gullible racists. That's great. But your work is now done, Donald.

We're sick of your shit. And the notion that you could gain traction and get elected and essentially destroy this country in the name of your own ego is nauseating.

So...go home Donald.

kimbutgar

(21,149 posts)
6. IMHO he can't implode soon enough
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

I am sick of hearing him and theMsm fawning him.

The longer he stays in gullible dem/independents might start supporting him. He is a dangerous demagogue who is charismatic and like a certain leader in Germany in the 1930's picked on a certain segment of the population to scapegoat. And we all know how that turned out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. Long term it's likely better. Short term I am not sure.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
Aug 2015

Galvanizing a large segment of the population behind a nationalistic and ethnocentric message is bad for the country.

And I am increasingly worried that Trump is a real threat to win the G.E.

Long term, it is destroying the ability of the GOP to appeal to Latinos and various other voters.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
9. If Trump Were Really A Threat To Elected. We Really Are Nuts As A Nation.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:36 PM
Aug 2015

I get your point. What makes him desirable is his attacks on China trade. And Dems need to take note of that meme. So far no Dems except Bernie are pushing against free trade as we now have it.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Perceived strength is still a big deal and Trump pushes the strength button for many folks.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

For folks particularly on the right, never apologizing, being steadfast and not changing positions is strong.

Trump also doesnt appear to have any fear and why should he? His worst outcome is going back to the life of a multi-billionaire. So he really is at least behaving as if he has no fear of losing at all.

In any conflict or contest, a person who has no fear has a distinct advantage. It doesn't mean they are going to win, but it provides an advantage.

In a debate, he is not going to be afraid to say just about anything. Some folks will perceive that as not just being strong but being genuine. That's a tough look against Hillary.

Against Sanders, Sanders big strength is that he appears to be not your regular politician. But if you like that, you are going to like somoene who is not a politician at all even more.

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
10. How Does He Win A GE?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:37 PM
Aug 2015

I see absolutely no way he can win a GE. He will need 40%+ Latino vote, among others demos (women, other minorities etc.). Without massive fraud, there's pretty much no mathematical possibility of him winning a GE.

Skraxx

(2,977 posts)
15. Massive Money I'm Not Worried About, Diminishing Returns. Fraud is Possible, But Unlikely to Succeed
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:42 PM
Aug 2015

Obama won and his DOJ has been in charge for 8 years. Fraud was tried on Obama, it didn't work.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. The strategy is actually pretty simple. But I am not going to post it publicly. I will PM you. nt
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
11. People might have thought that about Hitler once. He acted crazy, too.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:39 PM
Aug 2015

I think Trump is a serious threat.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
17. Dangerous, dangerous game you are advocating
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

Never underestimate the power of celebrity in America. Arnold Schwarzenegger won governor of California, easily, at a time when other Republicans couldn't win anything in statewide races.

I do not want Trump to be the Republican nominee, period. Too huge a risk he would win the GE.

The sooner Trump is shot out of the water, the better.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
18. You Make A Good Point. The "Terminator" Was An Idiot As Governor.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:21 PM
Aug 2015

That is the problem that celebrity "trumps" common sense in too many cases. The worst celebrity was Ronald Reagan and we will suffer for who knows how long because of what he wrought.

I do not want him to be the nominee either. The trouble is they are all nut cases. And they are all a threat with all the money that will be thrown around.

sailfla

(239 posts)
19. The only answer is public financing. One gets x amount of dollars and thats it.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:40 PM
Aug 2015

But it ain't ever gonna happen.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
20. While I think he dooms the GOP in 2016 the lasting impact of this Nativist in Chief dragging our
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

political conversation even further down and to the right for a substantial length of time will only embolden, then frustrate, his RW base. I don't think that is good for the country in the long run unless it completely destroys the republican party which I don't see happening.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
21. One danger is that the eventual nominee looks reasonable by comparison.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 07:33 PM
Aug 2015

Most of the people who like Trump were never going to vote Democratic anyway. (There are some who like the image of a straight-talking candidate who's not a conventional politician. They might vote for Trump or Sanders against any of the other candidates, and have a decision to make if neither or both can make it to November.)

The important question is Trump's effect on swing voters. To some extent he makes the whole GOP look bad. On the other hand, his extreme craziness might help mask the more limited craziness of the 16 others. Someone like Walker might come across as a sensible compromise in some voters' eyes.

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