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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs it to much to ask Democratic Underground to chill out with the racist crap?
As a black reader to the site I see it every time there's an incident involving black people. The usual suspects come out and do their hardest to paint black people as the racist. I been closely monitoring all the crap involving Vester Lee Flanagan. I knew from the moment I found out he was black that the racist would come out to play.
On Reverend Sharpton's facebook page, they been flooding him with the most vile and crazy messages I have ever seen in my life. On pages where the celebrity is black, the racist are posting their crap about what about this shooting or what about that shooting. You are so damn quick to paint all us black people as evil. This brother snapped. I know the killings in Charleston was what pushed him over the edge, but dang it stop painting all of us black people as hating white people.
I'll tell you what I hate. I hate coming on here every day and seeing black people silenced for speaking their mind.
I hate seeing our white allies silence for standing up for us.
I hate seeing new users come on here just looking to stir up racial crap.
I hate always being called an angry black man for no reason.
I hate how conservatives look at me and see someone who is evil and not clean.
I hate that in 2015, we all can't love each other without noticing how different our lives are.
That's what I hate.
If you want to call me a gay angry mixed race man tired of this stuff, so be it. But chill the hell out with the racist stuff. PLEASE.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)The problem is... this is a public forum, and DU, or Conservative Daily (made-up...I think) cant control who they allow to become members. There are members of DU that are conservative, that just want to start shit on here, and I believe there are some democrats that are on conservative forums doing that same thing. One must take some statements with (a grain of salt). A true liberal democrat is not racist. We are not sexist, we are not ageist? (against senior), or homophobic. Remember what JFK said, and said it best.....If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)pnwmom
(108,991 posts)the BLM discussions.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)That should be safe
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)It all depends on the jury.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)he was worried about hitting the magic 5 and being suspended.
Have you ever seen a post by him that should have been hidden?
I haven't.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Response to AngryAmish (Reply #16)
1StrongBlackMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
GP6971
(31,203 posts)More like it's crazy that your posts would be considered hideable. I've never seen anything remotely close and I firmly believe you and others have been stalked and singled out.
Response to GP6971 (Reply #99)
1StrongBlackMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
GP6971
(31,203 posts)I've always enjoyed your thought provoking posts.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)I disagree with you a lot of the time, but your posts are always thoughtful and valuable in moving the conversation forward. Seriously, when I see a long discussion on a topic, I scan it to see who's been posting, and if I see your handle, I'm a lot more likely to read through the whole thread.
But even more than that, it's clear to me that, even when I think you're way off on some specific point, metaphysically, we're on the same side. And hey, that's why I come here in the first place!
Hats off to a poster it's a pleasure to argue with! (even though I'm barely at a fraction of your post count!)
Blush away, my friend, you're awesome!
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Shell shocked.
brush
(53,841 posts)He/she is saying just the opposite.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Argh.
PM me the link and I'll post it.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)pnwmom
(108,991 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)That poster should be flat out banned.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"That poster should be flat out banned..."
He will be. He's far too obvious with his agenda to last beyond 75 posts without slipping.
kcr
(15,320 posts)But there are far too many posters who I strongly suspect share those views, but are smart enough to stay under the radar. They know how to post in such a way that they get away with it for far too long.
ETA the pathetic jury system sure isn't going to be the thing that takes care of it (to clariy, an alert on the post I was talking about blaming BLM):
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:43 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm voting to leave it so this newbie can learn from the wisdom of DUers. Obviously this poster is in some serious need of some "learnin'".
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Asking for comparison in itself is not disruptive, the question begs an answer by someone who wants to respond.
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)less from them, but I sure as hell never expected it on this board!
kcr
(15,320 posts)And yet some in this thread don't understand, and think this isn't DU. It is DU. It's becoming harder to tell the difference between this place and DI. Sad, isn't it?
arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)2 forums used to be stark but now, not so.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)pnwmom
(108,991 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)Not sure if anyone can still find a link, but calling black posters "race naggers" is but one example.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)I brought that up and got a hide because apparently the poster said "race nagging" and since I misquoted, I got hid...
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)that this person is still here.
That, and those who patted her on the back.
yeah, they're here to stay...
Disgusting.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I was assured by several DUers that what was posted was only "race nagging" and that converting that to "race nagger" was hyperbole by a certain poster on timeout.
That's a willfully ignorant defense of the indefensible.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)Im on MIRT - want me to bring it up in the Group?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I'm just putting it out as but one example of many that permeate DU. 1SBM gets 4 bullshit hides from alert trolls. Yet what percentage of the jury voted to leave that post? That speaks more to me about the makeup of DU.
I sat on a jury where a poster directly called a black man a house negro. It stood. I took a break from DU after that. Of course it took the admins to PPR the poster.
And don't get me started on the PPR'ed AverageJoe and his fan club.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)But the majority of the jury let it stand. So there is at least 4+ Randomly selected others that agree with them.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)That does not imply agreement. They may simply not have understood the alert/post. That happens all the time.
They might agree, I can't say they don't, but it's unfair to assume they do.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Was it also not fair or did they simply not understand when a jury left a post where somebody called a black man a House Negro?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There are times I've let a post stand just so people can see it, and see the poster for the shithead they are.
Not how the feature is meant to be used, but...
I can't tell you why. Wish I could talk to that jury. There could easily be ESL people on that jury and they don't know the term at all. All kinds of reasons that are innocent.
Maybe I'm just being an optimist, but I simply cannot see that ratio of people in this venue agreeing with the content. If there really are, then our society is lost. Pack your shit. I'm leaving too.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Most of them are trolls. But, those "usual suspects" you mention also have a history of targeting outspoken African American posters such as yourself. Consider yourself warned.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I have been here a long time.
Texasgal
(17,047 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)2010. With 60 posts. And I'm supposed to believe that one has positive intent?
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)And welcome (back?) to mirt
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)Just did two terms. Yikes - the racists we saw when #BLM ramped up. You want to see ugly people - do a term or two on MIRT.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)GP6971
(31,203 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)two names in order to stir up trouble between Bernie/Hillary supporters.
I wonder how often trolls like that are here causing trouble between other groups.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I regard all such things as trollish behavior. There are other forces at work here because this is an open discussion board with anonymous members.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)us?
Before the primary started many of us on this board saw each other as family. Now we are putting each other on ignore or worse.
I liked it much better before.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Many of us now post at healthier sites and this is our second, third, fourth or fifth stop. Some removed DU from their bookmarks. I've read posts made to a few Democrats who are told frankly to leave DU in spite of their years here.
There are many sites that have just as many features as DU does and still have moderators. Some are very busy. People have been asking me about them for a few years because they find it unhealthy to indulge the negativity that is now condoned here. I haven't been forthcoming except with a few on alternatives since they won't post here.
Those who relish shredding other people up, will stay, keep bashing Democrats, government and anyone daring to support either. As more seek to have 'fun' or a meaningful use of their time leave, the less positive an experience DU has and will become.
It's not my problem, I no longer see a reason to put in effort here. Half of the replies for my neutral posts are shat upon. So what?
But thanks for your nice reply. I appreciate that you are thinking about doing good things.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Thanks
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)5 votes to leave one of their gems.
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Aug 26, 2015, 05:43 PM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm voting to leave it so this newbie can learn from the wisdom of DUers. Obviously this poster is in some serious need of some "learnin'".
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yawn.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Asking for comparison in itself is not disruptive, the question begs an answer by someone who wants to respond.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)people who don't fly the confederate flag that celebrates slavery.
kcr
(15,320 posts)And what is wrong with trying to insist that this board be different? Because how is change supposed to happen if you tolerate the bigotry and racism? DU used to be considered a safe haven from right wing trolls.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)they not be. Because this is a racist country, and the people are the country, eh? The ones who let unarmed black folks get gunned down in their neighborhoods, killed in their jails, and insist we just need to go about our business, because they themselves are not the problem?
Or is it only those people over there? Are you sure it's not the folks who are celebrating our lower deficit, even though it means denying black folks jobs in the government, one of the few color blind places they can look? That's a Democratic ideal, right now.
That has a much worse, more tragic and deadly effect on millions of lives than some knothead making a racist post.
DU used to be considered a safe haven from right wing trolls. < By whom? Maybe they were wrong.
Nobody is suggesting it be tolerated. But pretending that things are different here when they really aren't isn't helping things either.
kcr
(15,320 posts)I'm one of them, btw. This used to be a moderated board, with distinct rules. I was one of those moderators, in fact.
As to your first two paragraphs, I'm confused as to what you mean. The people over there? Who do you mean? And the people are the country, but DU isn't the whole country. The D stands for Democrats.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)from other countries. I have not seen a single issue that everyone agrees on, and that includes race. ymmv.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Unless you're saying that means no one should ever do anything about it? Just let the racists take over and be wherever they want and talk whenever they want?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)\who join are different from anyone else is a bit of a reach.
We should try and address it, but as Mrs. Clinton said, you don't change hearts. They can become aware of their behavior and change, but usually not, and they have to do it. You can't do anything. Not really.
You can try. You can cooperate. You can study hard and gain power and wealth. But you probably aren't going to change a lot of hearts.
But no, you don't let them take over, you address their hate, you do all the things we do, you cooperate and be stronger than they are.
But that starts with acknowledging and identifying the real problem, and we can't do that if we refuse to see that in the final analysis, the problem is us.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I keep getting told by DU that liberals can't be racist.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts).... not tracked down people he had grievances with.
The Shooter/Murderer seemed to be much more bullied and 'persecuted' (in his own mind anyway) who probably felt like he had no recourse other than to admire past shooters and held them up to be heroes.
I don't think a racist would hold up an Asian and two white teens as examples of people he admires.
blm
(113,084 posts)Parroting Breitbart and other Moonie News will generally raise an eyebrow or two.
But, that's just me seeing the silver-lining to their utterly ignorant remarks. ; )
Sadly, Coolest, the ignorant will always pop up to shift the blame onto people of color, their movements, and their leaders.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)I actually searched a three letter member's name because she's like effin' clock work. Definitely can't stand us black folk.
Laughs at our pain. So those people post among us. You aren't alone.
randys1
(16,286 posts)might be able to scream about a racist Black person.
I wish they would understand that the class without the power cant be racist.
They can be bigoted, not racist.
Reverse everything, put white people on the receiving end of what Black people have lived for over 200 years, and the whole country is burned to the ground.
JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)For these two posts - but yep.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7113366
I just called the op out. He does it every single time.
I think he's all "keep calm" when it's blatant against black folks -
But now he wants a discussion?
He needs to pull his pants and drawers up - his ass is showing.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)The divisions seem to be getting worse, not better. And no, I don't think it's too much to ask.
brer cat
(24,598 posts)and thank you for this post.
K&R
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)Trying just makes it louder and stupider. Repression only drives it underground until the opportunity arises for it to rear its evil head again. Asking it to play nice is futile. If you really want to know why racism persists, just ask who REALLY benefits as opposed to those who think they do. Then follow the money.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT. Get off this site.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)I'll tell you what a big part of it is based on.
There is an absolute HORROR with some white people that talking about race is only going to "rile em up".
It's all about pacification to them.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,874 posts)There was a post hidden a few years ago for calling someone out as a racist - Skinner agreed with the hide.
For the op to give examples - it requires he directly calls them on their bigoted bullshit.
This entire op gets hidden.
Now some are very slick little snots - you just have to get snotty back and they back off - but you gotta be slick about it.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)No hide... The majority of jury members vote to let it stand. Gets locked as simply off-topic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025913516
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)to a reprehensible situation, is racist?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)I didn't want to listen to the rationalizations for it. Later in the thread I read the words of the author of the OP and saw her point, but still don't know if DU is the place for it.
The OP author is white and married to a POC and has kids who are called black. She admitted her family didn't like the word. So I'm ambivalent about that one, and disturbed.
And I don't hang around white people who say it, and very, very few where I live dare to use it. Because there are many mixed race marriages here. The POC I know object very strongly to perjoratives used about white people. They are their family members and take offense, particularly the young ones of color.
IDK if whites are making progress or not. Or if what we are hearing are the dying embers of the KKK's cross going out and still wanting to be relevant.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)there is no defense for what this jerk did.
What he did has nothing to do with you, or any other black American. He appears to be a disgruntled ex employee, an angry loner with a Louisville Slugger sized chip on his shoulder, who happens to be black. There are a lot of Flanagan's around and they come in all colors, all ethnicities.
sheshe2
(83,879 posts)I am so sorry for what has been happening here.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)Unfortunately people seem unable to discuss certain subjects sans emotions and race is one of those subjects.
Omaha Steve
(99,705 posts)Tell me. My dementia can make me do very strange things at times. And it will only get worse.
K&R!
OS
libodem
(19,288 posts)Dear Democratic Underground,
Chill on any racist crap. It is not a progressive value.
eom
WillyT
(72,631 posts)me b zola
(19,053 posts)It pissed me off to see some of those posts today, they do not belong here. It boggles the mind to think that such stuff is allowed here. II really wish that there was a way to override a jury, and that one 60 post poster needs to eat pizza.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)about how the person was angry/disappointing that he died so he didn't have to face punishment, and called him a coward. People who commit suicide are not cowards. They are lost and in a lot of pain.
I think it's pretty obvious this was a seriously sick man, and this may have had as much to do with his being targeted as gay as it did for being black. It wasn't racism on his part. It was mental illness, and if anything, a response to racism and bigotry from white straight people. Even if part of it was his paranoia...but we didn't live in his skin, so we don't know, do we?
Oh how easy it is to try to turn the anger around and blame everything on a minority.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I just hope that it is all coming out to be exposed and finally done with. Like an ugly infection, we need to get the pus out and clean the wound.
I am surprised how deep racism is when things start to go badly.
southmost
(759 posts)And it discourages me to post here or reply...I'm pretty sure its the desired effect of silencing POC
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)a gay black person (like myself) has every right in this country to be ANGRY because of institutionalized racism and homophobia, never mind what goes on in day-to-day life...and some people handle the racist and homophobic bullshit better than others.
and we cannot even get into the possible mental state of anyone that goes through racist and homophobic bullshit on a regular basis only for the society at large to think that we are supposed to be on our best behavior at all times as if harm isn't being done by the society at large.
Frankly, the Virginia murderer could be me.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And the Admin should have stepped in long ago.
It's all been very divisive and is bad for DU.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Sometimes it appears we are being infested like a milkweed plants with aphids. It destroys the ability of the valuable eco system to contribute to a healthy garden.
Healthy garden can have pests, can have outright slap downs, but not that shit.
I'm sorry you've dealt with it.
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)Yeah. Exactly what you said.
I have some idea as to what might inspire anger in people of color ... just sayin'.
A guy snaps. He wasn't supportive of any "black supremacy" groups. (Do any of those exist?) He didn't pose with any symbols of black dominance over whites (there aren't any that I know of). Etc, He does seem to have had some issues with emotional stability ... and he snapped. And he had a gun.
Tragedy happened today ... and as usual it gave license to all the assholes to come out of the woodwork. I hear ya, man. I really do.
Trav
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Now you've done it!
You've opened the door to 896 posts citing to the 6 members of the New Black Panther Party ... and perhaps, the entire Nation of Islam!
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)I forgot about the scary 6 New Black Panther Party folk. And I don't know much about the Nation of Islam folk, but they seem quite OK in face to face meetings.
Having been properly alerted to my error, i shall retire from this thread.
Trav
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Just funning with you!
The Traveler
(5,632 posts)I was just playin' along.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I don't fucking think that is a good excuse for the stupid fucking murders he did.
ananda
(28,876 posts)That's because the shooter himself made it a racial issue.
I hate it when this happens, because the racists glom onto
it as an excuse, well, for being more vile and racist than
ever.
I'm so mind-boggled by the whole thing that I hardly know
what to say.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Another poster says they won't provide links, because they fear being alerted. That's a cop-out.
I am not saying that racism is nonexistent. It's an awful thing to observe in the meat world. I am, however, calling foul on the OP pointing the racist epithet at DU.
Sure, there's the occasional racist post which quickly disappears. No argument there.
But looking at the list of complaints by the OP, who on DU always calls another member of DU an "angry black man for no reason"? Heck, I did a search and the only references to an "angry black man" in the past year have been directed at Obama, and usually from a conservative off-site source.
How can anyone on DU, much less all those conservatives that hang out here, look at you in any way at all, much less as "evil and not clean"? Where does that perception originate? Certainly not from the people who post here.
Without links, this is just more stirring of the stinky stick in the smelly pot.
The jury system, in general, silences over-the-top posts because the writer is rude, not because they were standing up for anyone. It's not a perfect system, and I've been caught in it in the past, but it is what it is because it tends to work in the long run.
I especially enjoyed the irony of the "new users stirring up racial crap" reference in this particular OP.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Extraordinary claims require (usually extraordinary) evidence.
The OP claims he is "always being called an angry black man".
Show us this amazing proof. Heck, show me one instance, just one DU post, where someone called the OP "an angry black man".
We have a lot of fakers around here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)being a PoC on a Liberal message board and having to "prove" every instance of racist/racial insensitive comments (with exact phrasing required, or it didn't happen) ... only to have a non-PoC liberal tell you what is, isn't, or should/shouldn't be a racist/racially insenstivity comment.
And BTW ... If one accepts that there are/have been racist comments posted to this board; and, that racist comments being posted to this liberal/Democratic message board would/should anger Black posters; wouldn't a comment such as "there are a lot of 'fakers' here", be analoguous to saying "there are a lot of Blacks here who are angry for no reason"?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)This, this, this!!
Whenever I see the "I didn't see anything" garbage from certain "contributors" it makes me want to SCREAM!
So dishonest...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But here ya go:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027113147
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Your link just shows a typical appropriate response to a troll. The OP was accusing DU in general of a list of grievances against POC by white long-time posters.
Your example proves my point that the OP is just trolling.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Like the one who decided to use the yiddish translation of the N-word to slander both BLM and Sanders.
Your unwillingness to see the filth on the ground around you does not actually remove the filth.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)... But, better ...
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Heaven forbid you make a post in any other language on this board other than 'Merican.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=800210
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)He made specific accusations about the treatment of POCs. A hide over an obscure translation of Japanese text seems like a far-fetched example of DU-ers always calling the OP an "angry black man".
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)What about the other examples I linked up thread?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Which is exactly the opposite of what the OP is saying.
The OP isn't just saying there are racists that come to DU, but that there are many racists on DU constantly and he faces racism every day on DU. He gives the following examples as common occurrences.
* "seeing black people silenced for speaking their mind"
* "seeing our white allies silenced for standing up for us"
* "always being called an angry black man for no reason"
I agree there are the occasional racist trolls that wander through, and as soon as they reveal their true intent, the system tends to work by kicking them out. Not always, but usually.
But what this OP references simply isn't so. He is unfortunately stirring up a pot of doodoo by labelling everyone on DU as a racist, and he is probably laughing his ass off that so many people fell for the bait.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)The post was allowed to stand by a majority of the "typical" jury.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Which is an appropriate response, as it wasn't immediately obvious that writer was being racist.
Any who, the poster in that link from December of last year (with all of 239 posts) might have been just stirring the pot, much like the OP here. Again, the real issue I have is the OP making false claims without backing them up.
You keep missing the point. The OP made claims that are untrue, and people such as yourself keep beating around the bush defending the indefensible by trying to distract the discussion with examples that are unrelated to the OP.
I'm not arguing that there are racists who post stuff on DU. I am refuting the OP's claims about DU being a haven for racists where black people are censored, white people blocked, and folks are "always" calling him an "angry black man".
It is a lie, and your posts prove it is a lie vby showing the current system has shut down the racists to which you pointed.
When you want to discuss the OP, I'll be happy to do so, but stop throwing out your links as if those prove anything the OP said. They don't.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Here is a thought experiment of what actually happens on DU.
If I showed you a picture, or started a discussion about a despised black person, think Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Michael Steele, Herman Cain, etc... Would it ever, under any circumstance or topic at hand, be it on DU, or just out in public, to go ahead and call them a house negro? I'm not talking about quoting someone, or referring to something else. Can you, on your own, call someone a house negro, regardless of the circumstance?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Here's a better experiment. Let's stick to the topic and see if you can find any evidence to back up this ridiculous OP.
The OP claims DU is dumping black folks and white allies and DU-ers are constantly calling him an angry black man.
Let's see the proof.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)And you'll see an excellent example of DU trying to silence a black member. This is not all there is, but it's a hell of a good start. 1SBM is a very vocal, and positive member of the black community on DU. He spoke out, he got fed up, yet he said nothing that violates DU policy, but he's sitting on 4 hides because he was alert stalked. If he gets the magic number 5, he will effectively be silenced.
I don't think that the OP has directly been called an "angry black man" on DU, but when we support BLM, and thank them for speaking up, we are shot down here. BLM in a fraction of a nutshell, is simply "Stop killing us". It's a simple demand. Because "please stop killing us" has not worked.
Yet there are long term members in good standing here on DU who glance at the words "Stop killing us" and have to interject with a "but"... "Ok, you want us to stop killing you, but, what is the goal?" "What is the plan?", "Why didn't you do this to Hillary?", "Why are you picking on Bernie?"
It's a simple statement... "Stop killing us"
If I was standing on your foot, and you said "stop standing on my foot", I wouldn't question you as to what your endgame was, or what your plan was to have me stop, or why you were picking on me. I'd stop standing on your damn foot. But on DU, non AA members are upset that we want folks to stop killing us because of our methods. They were killing us when we were slaves, they were killing us during Jom Crow, they were killing us during the civil rights movement, they were killing us during the war on drugs, and they are killing us today. I think we've been pretty damn patient. So we speak up, and DU gets twisted in a knot and pushes back.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Please address the specific points the OP made.
Actually, forget it. The game you are playing is obvious. I will stop feeding you from this point on.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Did you actually look at 1SBM's hides?
And WTG on ignoring 3/4 of the rest of my post. Don't worry it's nothing new. I observed similar rights struggles with the LGBT groups during the last election cycles. They were upset, demanding equal rights, and folks agreed. But... (There it is again) but... but... but... They had to hold their tongue, we weren't ready for it. Let's get through the election, before we start talking equality.
As it is in America, so it is here on DU. There are those in charge, and the rest of us have to play by their rules. Know when and how to speak, and make sure your opinion, feeling and methods are in line.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that will be met with batted eyes and "What? Us?!?"
But let me make a two corrections:
I hate seeing our white allies silence for standing up
I hate seeing new users come on here just looking to stir up racial crap AND BE DEAFENED BY THE SILENCE OF THOSE CLAIMING TO WANT TO BE MY ALLY.
...
Number23
(24,544 posts)the hardest are some of the main ones that have posted some of the most offensive crap to the handful of black folks that still bother to post here.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)But I can't deal with DU today. I didn't even know that there were people trying to make this horrible shooting out to be a race issue until I got here.
It's the reason I stayed away from here for days after the Charlotte shooting, Mike Brown, Trayvon etc. etc. This place has never been a good place to discuss race and it is getting exponentially worse by the day.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I've noticed that DU has veered into that, "Yes, racism exists ... I just can't cite to a recent example (despite what Black folks have been saying) ... But I am open to exploring Black folks being 'racist' to white folks" zone usually reserved for conservatives.
argggh!
PatSeg
(47,583 posts)that I was actually shocked that the shooter was a black man. This kind of crime seems more common with middle class white men.
I also hate that in "2015, we all can't love each other without noticing how different our lives are". One would hope that in 2015, we should judge people, regardless of race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation, by the same standards. There are days when it feels like we are backsliding big time.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Syzygy321
(583 posts)Here's the thing: I often have an alternate interpretation of race stuff from the mainstream. But I keep my mouth shut (mostly! ) because, I figure, if you are blackish or brownish or reddish or whateverish, race stuff is an open wound for you. And anytime I stick my big nose in and yell "Well you don't KNOW that the cop (or whomever) was acting out of racism" - that would be me pouring salt in your wound. The salt of not-respected and never-listened-to.
I think this way, because I am female - and I know how crappy it feels to say "XYZ is, yup, anOther example of the usual misogyny I have been subject to all my life" - only to have someone else (usually male; go figger!) post "You're a whining moron; you are just IMAGINING that that was gender-based hatred! You don't know what you are talking about, you silly thing!"
See, I don't like it when people do that to me. It's dismissive and it makes things worse. It's like misogyny magnified. And it's done here all the time by lovely democrats.
So I assume that what feels like salt in my wounds, feels like salt in the wounds of others. So I stay out of it.
The downside to people politely shutting up while the wounded people ID their wounds, is that voices and opinions (worthwhile ones; maybe truth-telling ones) are silencing themselves. But I think, in the short term, that's a downside that's worth the upside (which is, people feeling respected here and gathering strength and confidence).
Or, y'know, I could be wrong.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)I get really irritated when people overly indulge in blaming racism, sexism, or homophobia for words or actions that could easily be explained in other ways. There are so many glaring and hurtful examples of these bigotries that it is nonsensical to me to be on the lookout for more. It's almost like people are looking to further victimize themselves. I am female, and not shy about calling out sexism. But I don't go out searching for it. That would put me in the role of being a victim all.the.time.
But what you said about open wounds makes a lot of sense. And just like with a wound, any little thing can make the pain flare back up. A turn of a phrase, a hidden post, a careless - or callous - remark, can hurt people more than we might expect if we are not sensitized to that same type of attitude.
So thanks for that insight.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that do the most pyschic damage, it is the consistent micro-aggressions, the daily same slights, that are minimized when vocalized by those "on our side", that pushes folks to the edge.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)Are horrified and angered by the big things, and disgusted by the institutional racism, but don't always discern or perhaps acknowledge the little expressions of racism that people have to endure every day.
Thanks for illuminating this.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:37 AM - Edit history (1)
Perhaps, if race stuff became/was seen as an "open wound" for/by white folks, particularly, liberal white folks, society might move to resolving the issue.
After all, open wounds tend to get priority by those with the open wounds.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And btw... I think you meant "seen" and not "sign". Damn autocorrect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)DU is not necessarily a liberal site anyway. I thought you were talking about the big picture and was interested in why liberals are the ones who need to "get it" in order to make change happen.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)why liberals are the ones who need to "get it" in order to make change happen?
Because liberals are (supposed to be) our allies in this fight. If white liberals don't get it, and are unwilling/unable to speak intelligently about racism with other white people, than nothing will change.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I agree that there are some who do not look at it as... I don't know the right word... I experience the same sort of thing with women's issues... where yes they are against sexism/racism but don't realize that some of the things they say are taken offense to - or not even as much as offense - because they don't "get" it that much. But I know that those people are in the fight for me and women's rights and are making things happen. The people I think need to be reached are the ones who don't get it at all, let alone the sensitivity to the degree of what that poster was writing about up thread.
That's why I asked. Because they mentioned that "extra sensitivity" (for lack of a better term) which is important but which I don't think negates them being on the right side and working for change. I know men who are for equal rights for women and are great guys but still have a bit to learn. But those aren't the ones who I think need to "get it" in order for change to happen. I think the guys who need to get it are the ones who aren't already against sexism.
Now, I didn't read any of the threads about the shooting of the reporters which seem to have had a lot of terrible things posted in them from what I've been reading, so I'm just talking about the subject in a big picture way, outside of DU.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)enemies sure won't. Do you see Donald Trump ever "getting it?"
steve2470
(37,457 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Looks like the system is working. Thanks MIRT!
Hekate
(90,785 posts)I really do.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)If I owned this board, there would be dozens of people banned from here. Per day. I'd get carpal tunnel. Unfortunately all you can do is wait until the offenders succumb to temptation and get totally blatant with their racism (or other bigotry.)
marym625
(17,997 posts)CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)If it had not been for the reasons he had he would have found another reason. Anyone who focuses on the specifics is probably a racist.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)K&R for your post, Coolest!
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)not much more to say that you didn't already say better then I could.
deep breaths, 1 breath in deeply annnnd hold, OK exhale out.
the problem with blogs is they seem to bring out the worst in people and the good thing is they also can bring out the best as well.
pick and choose Amigo.
jalan48
(13,882 posts)Insulting and demeaning someone because of his/her race has no place on DU. There are some really big issues we need to deal with without lowering our discussions to this kind of stuff.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Anyone posting racist crap like that here should be banned![/font]
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)K&R
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)K/R Proudly for the Truth Typed in EACH of your words!!
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)I want to see the haters before they hide under their white sheets.
Coolest Ranger, try not to take personally what scumbags say. What they say has NOTHING to do with you and EVERYTHING to do with them. They're looking into mirrors they can't see.
Fuck them. You just keep being you.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Just sayin
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)I didn't know the killer was African-American. Thanks for relaying this unimportant fact.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)should have been a giveaway.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)if anything it should be required. Here's the problem I see:
definitions.
When I see a post that says liberals can be racist it makes me wonder what the hell the poster's definition of a liberal is. In my opinion a liberal racist is a textbook definition of an oxymoron, like military intelligence, etc.
And then the proposition that poc cannot be racist, but they can be bigoted. What's the definition? For me, if somebody hates me for my color it's racist. But others have a different definition so trouble ensues.
It's an important discussion, but it should be carried out without heat when it's between allies.
Fred Friendlier
(81 posts)Some rednecks in my neighborhood are always whining about him, as if he were the Boss of All the Americas and personally responsible for their every ill. Then they turn around and tell me that the Republicans are the "True Friend of the Black Man" because Lincoln freed the slaves.
Then I come to DU and people tell me that Bernie is so Awesome that Conservatives are going to vote for him because Bernie says they all get free cookies. Even Thom Hartmann is spreading that manure. I say we don't want conservative votes. The Dixiecrats bolted the Democratic Party fifty years ago, enabling the Republicans to ruin this country, and the last thing we need is for them to come back.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Callouts are fair game on DU3. (They were hide-worthy on DU2)
Or you could phrase it 'this sounds racist to me: link' and then I'd know what you mean.
If I see a racist post, here on DU, i'm on it. Alert and argue. I wish I could see some specifics.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)People are here to discussionist issues without regard to the ToS of this site and there are few tools for DUers to use to curb that.
IOW, it's now a feature, not a bug.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)People can't help being white, but they can help being assholes.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)If DU was representative of the party minorities would probably never vote Dem again.
NB: I'm surprised they did not hide this post. At least that is good news.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,005 posts)It shouldn't have to BE asked. I could cry that it does.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)ancianita
(36,132 posts)survival in America has been and is neither oppression exploitation [though they are highly visible]but rather the nihilistic threat...the loss of hope and absence of meaning...as long as hope remains and meaning is preserved, the possibility of overcoming oppression stays alive...
The genius of our black foremothers and forefathers was to create powerful buffers to ward off the nihilistic threat, to equip black folk with cultural armor to beat back the demons of hopelessness, meaninglessness, and lovelessness...this armor constituted ways of life and struggle that embodied values of service and sacrifice, love and care, discipline and excelllence...
These traditiions consist primarily of black religious and civic institutions that sustained familial and communal networks of support...If cultures are, in part, what human beings create (out of antecedent fragments of other cultures) in order to convince themselves not to commit suicide, then black foremothers and forefathers are to be applauded..." from "Nihilism in Black America" in Race Matters.
The least we should do is learn what the black cultural armor, black religious and civic institutions are.
What we can do -- though it's not the most we can do in DU -- is join as allies in their resistance structural forces of tokenism, market values, sexism, homophobia, willful ignorance of racial privilege in all areas of our lives in and outside of DU.
To me, to "chill with the racist stuff" means not to avoid anything racial, but to confront anything racist head on as black people would have us do. If the country's goal is to be at least "post racist" more than "post racial", then we have to listen, show care and exact accountability among ourselves in seeking stronger alliance with the true interests of black people, from community (DU community, too, if it exists) to White House and beyond.
edit: Sorry if this is overly bombastic. I've been rereading Cornel West and was kinda in that frame of mind in applying it to DU readers.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)But the OP is false, so I guess DU is still a pretty good hangout.