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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:15 AM Aug 2015

Every county in America, ranked by scenery and climate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/17/every-county-in-america-ranked-by-natural-beauty/

Ventura County, Calif., is the absolute most desirable place to live in America.

I know this because in the late 1990s the federal government devised a measure of the best and worst places to live in America, from the standpoint of scenery and climate. The "natural amenities index" is intended as "a measure of the physical characteristics of a county area that enhance the location as a place to live."

The index combines "six measures of climate, topography, and water area that reflect environmental qualities most people prefer." Those qualities, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, include mild, sunny winters, temperate summers, low humidity, topographic variation, and access to a body of water.

These "natural aspects of attractiveness," as the USDA describes them, are intended to be constant and relatively immutable. They're not expected to change much over time, so the USDA hasn't updated its data beyond the initial 1999 scoring. "Natural amenities pertain to the physical rather than the social or economic environment," the USDA writes. Things like plants, animals or the human environment are excluded by definition. "We can measure the basic ingredients, not how these ingredients have been shaped by nature and man." I stumbled on these numbers after reading about a recent study linking natural amenities to religiosity. (U.S. counties with nicer weather and surroundings tend to have less religious residents.)

I've mapped all the counties above according to where they rank on the natural amenities index -- mouse over to check out how desirable (or not) your own county is. You'll see that Sun Belt counties fare pretty well -- especially ones in California and Colorado. In fact, every single one of the 10 highest-ranked counties is located in California. After Ventura County, Humboldt, Santa Barbara, Mendocino and Del Norte counties round out the top five.

By contrast, the Great Lakes region fares poorly, with most of the lowest rankings clustered around the Minnesota/North Dakota border region -- hey there, Fargo! The absolute worst place to live in America is (drumroll please) ... Red Lake County, Minn. (claim to fame: "It is the only landlocked county in the United States that is surrounded by just two neighboring counties," according to the county Web site).

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My county ranked #467 but I prefer it over many of the higher ranked places. It got dinged for humid summers, but I like humid summers.

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Every county in America, ranked by scenery and climate (Original Post) FLPanhandle Aug 2015 OP
A weird, subjective scale that leaves a lot out of the equation. Brickbat Aug 2015 #1
That was highly entertaining. Thank you, Brickbat :) nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2015 #9
Shoot, the people in Minnesota wouldn't know what was good or bad anyway. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #46
My county ranked #385 - New London, CT NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #2
It's all relative TransitJohn Aug 2015 #13
True, but NutmegYankee Aug 2015 #15
I think the lakes in Minnesota deserve some credit. Maybe it is the winter that dings them. nt Logical Aug 2015 #3
State bird is your problem exboyfil Aug 2015 #6
I live in Kansas but spend many vacations in MN. Kansas is flat as hell. Not much to see. And a..... Logical Aug 2015 #8
Forests are humid, MN is not mountainous, it gets cold HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #50
2,920 out of 3,111 exboyfil Aug 2015 #4
Hilarious reader comments! reformist2 Aug 2015 #5
I enjoy these things, but -- as usual -- climate and water supply changes seem to have Hortensis Aug 2015 #7
#71 Boulder CO truebluegreen Aug 2015 #10
WhooHooo! Pinellas County Fla-117th!! EX500rider Aug 2015 #11
Who knew? lpbk2713 Aug 2015 #35
2447 out of 3111 or so. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #12
Can you link the searchable list? GummyBearz Aug 2015 #14
The only way I could search was to rollover my county on the map with the computer mouse FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #18
This all depends on the variables and the weights -- and you can find really idiotic rankings karynnj Aug 2015 #16
I completely agree with you. smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #23
Agree with you on both coastal New England and the Adirondacks karynnj Aug 2015 #36
If you ever want to treat yourself, have dinner at Shelburne Farms Inn smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #37
I've gone there for brunch a few times karynnj Aug 2015 #47
It's convenient that Alaska and Hawaii were left out. Blue_In_AK Aug 2015 #17
I live in #1 Z_California Aug 2015 #19
I used to live there Politicalboi Aug 2015 #29
I live in the county, too, near the 101 on the LA County LibDemAlways Aug 2015 #56
New Haven County, CT. 370 out of 3,111 (nt) bigwillq Aug 2015 #20
It ranks West Texas high??????? Holy Crap! Biggest shit hole on the planet! nt Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #21
Hey! I've been to West Texas ... Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #40
I live 50 Miles from Texas and it makes me sick Gloria Aug 2015 #53
Why is the Department of Agriculture wasting their time on this bullshit? tabasco Aug 2015 #22
Yeah! Shut em down along with the EPA! Rex Aug 2015 #25
Because that's what I said! tabasco Aug 2015 #32
Their county ratings actually correlated highly with population growth, so there's that. reformist2 Aug 2015 #26
Most of the best are on the Cali coast. Rex Aug 2015 #24
"must have mild, sunny winters" mainer Aug 2015 #27
This. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #39
number two ranked Humboldt County must be a terrible mistake.... mike_c Aug 2015 #28
This county rating doesn't make sense. Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #30
Very strange map, in my opinion Marrah_G Aug 2015 #31
#77 - larimer county, co fizzgig Aug 2015 #33
These maps back up why I can't think of living anywhere else than the West AZ Progressive Aug 2015 #34
National Geographic so disagrees with my county being 2000 something cali Aug 2015 #38
There is no average or below average scenery along the sufrommich Aug 2015 #41
Another BS map... ileus Aug 2015 #42
wow...I live in the 69th best county! likesmountains 52 Aug 2015 #43
Sarasota County rates 144 Not too bad. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #44
Dunno struggle4progress Aug 2015 #45
We are #869 with average natural amenities. femmocrat Aug 2015 #48
Alright! There are 707 counties that suck more than we do! Buns_of_Fire Aug 2015 #49
I have yet to live in a desirable place! liberal N proud Aug 2015 #51
WOW, I live in #165 out of over 3000! Gloria Aug 2015 #52
This map is stupid. madaboutharry Aug 2015 #54
I live in #1 Ventura County, and there is LibDemAlways Aug 2015 #55

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
1. A weird, subjective scale that leaves a lot out of the equation.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:21 AM
Aug 2015

And don't push Minnesota Nice too far.

http://www.startribune.com/washington-post-reporter-says-minnesota-is-ugly-minnesotans-politely-beg-to-differ/322350791/

“As someone who grew up in the heart of ‘ugly country’ on this map, I hereby declare this map garbage, ” tweeted Minnesotan Matt Privratsky.

(snip)

Senator Al Franken told Ingraham that a survey in the senator’s office found that the ugliest place to live was the Washington Post newsroom.

(snip)

“He can kiss my butt, ” Red Lake County official Chuck Simpson said of Ingraham. “We were talking about it at coffee the other morning. What a joke.”

The methodology behind the listing doesn’t make sense, Simpson said. The reliance on mild winters and bright sun meant Death Valley listed fairly high, for example.

“I’m looking out my back window here, ” Simpson continued while talking on the phone Wednesday. “I’ve got a doe and two fawns eating out there right now. Is this ugly? I’ve got hummingbirds flying around the cotton pickin’ place!”
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
46. Shoot, the people in Minnesota wouldn't know what was good or bad anyway.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:49 PM
Aug 2015

They never go anywhere except "Up North" (whatever that means)

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
2. My county ranked #385 - New London, CT
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

I'm sure the cold winter and low winter sun dinged us.

Topography is definitely a plus for us. Flat and boring New England is not!

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
13. It's all relative
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:46 PM
Aug 2015

2400' of total relief looks very flat to me, here in Denver. I can see peaks 9200' higher than my current 5300' from my yard.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
15. True, but
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:52 PM
Aug 2015

I was getting at the inherent beauty of a rolling landscape over a flat one. Driving up and down curvy roads is just better living. And by flat, I mean like the coastal plain of the Southeast.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
6. State bird is your problem
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:40 AM
Aug 2015

and we have it almost as bad as here in Iowa. By bird I mean a certain insect.

In general Minnesota is a great state. Minneapolis is on my daughter's short list after graduation.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
8. I live in Kansas but spend many vacations in MN. Kansas is flat as hell. Not much to see. And a.....
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:43 AM
Aug 2015

hellhole of GOP control.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
50. Forests are humid, MN is not mountainous, it gets cold
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:16 PM
Aug 2015

I think those things combine to cause MN and WI to fall low.

At least the North Shore of MN is recognized with good scores. Door Co. WI, one of the state's great tourist attractions for natural beauty is brown. I imagine the hospitality industry there is about apoplectic.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
4. 2,920 out of 3,111
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:38 AM
Aug 2015

I have also lived in:

10
1264
815
2180

Frankly I would order it as follows from best to worst

2920 Blackhawk Co, IA
1264 Putnam Co, TN
815 Harrison Co, MS
10 Orange Co, CA
2180 Lawrence Co, WVa

It all depends on what you want. No way on this planet is Lawrence Co, WVa better than Blackhawk Co, IA though. I could easily move back to Putnam Co though to escape the harsh winters. If I was independently wealthy or did not have to travel to a job, then Orange Co would not be horrible.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
5. Hilarious reader comments!
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:39 AM
Aug 2015

This is why I love the internet.

From JeffBBiz:

Immutable physical characteristics.... Hmm.

OK, here are some immutable physical characteristics of, say, Ventura County: It sits astride the San Andreas fault. That's definitely an immutable physical characteristic which is NOT going to change. Also, that whole area of the world suffers from low rainfall -- something which we are finding to be unfortunately mutable (getting worse) due to global warming -- and high high winds (eg the Santa Ana winds).

Eventually "The Big One" will strike, smashing fire engines and making roads generally impassable. That earthquake will also start a lot of fires which will be be fanned by the hot, dry winds. spreading wildfires, indiscriminately burning bone-dry chaparral and million-dollar mansions. At that point the residents of Ventura County (and many others) won't be thinking much about the inadequacy of the USDA's list because they will be too busy running for their lives amidst the flames and social chaos...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. I enjoy these things, but -- as usual -- climate and water supply changes seem to have
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 11:42 AM
Aug 2015

at least mostly ignored, if not altogether. Our friends in Ventura County, ranked #1 most desirable, are currently living with intensive drought and the need to transition dying landscape to other. Rising seas mean saltwater in their well water, although they can barely taste it so far. And, of course, extreme fire danger from the beautiful arroyo across the road and nearby mountains. Fortunately, they are close to the ocean and have the ocean breezes, but most of the county is north of the coastal mountains and experiencing the intense heat that has become typical for inland SoCal.

On the plus side, Ventura County is way out front of most of the nation in planning for the future. Not at all where it needs to be, but I can imagine that in future it will be, in its new way, as nice to live in, comparatively, as it has been.

As for the bottom of the list, the Great Lakes area? Really, guys? On a planet that is already warring over disappearing fresh water, the Great Lakes are the largest body of fresh water on the entire planet. Surely that counts for something? (It's a silly myth that water is being sold to China, but a challenge for the future will be to keep too much from being sold to other states and provinces.) And if that doesn't count now, a population boom, with concomitant rise in economic status, of people, green garden lovers, businesses, research and educational institutions, moving to escape the heat and drought farther south doesn't take a genius to predict.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
14. Can you link the searchable list?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 12:47 PM
Aug 2015

I tried clicking on the myriad of links in the article but couldn't find it

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
18. The only way I could search was to rollover my county on the map with the computer mouse
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Aug 2015

No listing as far as I can find.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
16. This all depends on the variables and the weights -- and you can find really idiotic rankings
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

Look at Vermont. Tourism is a major industry because of its natural beauty. Yet, it looks like nothing in the state is more than average with areas that I know are gorgeous rated low. I live in Burlington and yesterday had the near magical experience of going to a wedding held on Lake Champlain on a boat. On any day, we have the sparkling Lake and the Adirondacks in one direction and the Green Mountains in the other. Yet that is just average. Why - I suspect it is because climate is one variable and it snows in VT. However, that snow is WHY people come to VT in the winter.

Yet, I notice that nearly the entire state of Arizona is high or very high. In fact, many areas are gorgeous. However, I went with family to a reunion in July this year in Sedona. As my Seattle daughter protested when we told her this year's location -" I'll die". I have no problem with Sedona's rank, but I really don't get why Phoenix, where it was 117 degrees, was also rated very high. It is impossible to objectively assess beauty, but I really think Chittenden county easily has as many beautiful vistas as the county Phoenix is in. If Chittenden is penalized for cold, snowy weather -- shouldn't Phoenix be penalized by 117 degrees and a drought so severe that there were spontaneous fires?


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
23. I completely agree with you.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:32 PM
Aug 2015

The northeast has so much incredible natural beauty and so much of it ranks low on this scale. My brother lives in Burlington and I go to visit every now and then. It is such a beautiful area! I live in Boston, but grew up in the Adirondack Foothills in New York which is another area of great natural beauty - lakes, trees, mountains - that ranked very low, probably because of the cold snowy winters. Coastal New England is beautiful as well, but ranks low.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
36. Agree with you on both coastal New England and the Adirondacks
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:50 PM
Aug 2015

We just drove from NYC, stopping in Hyde Park with a daughter to see FDR and Elinor's estate, then up the thruway to get back to VT. It was a beautiful ride - even on the Thruway. The Lake George area is also gorgeous. I had always thought the Hudson school landscapes were simply idealized -- until seeing that area. The same with Cape Cod and the NH and Maine coasts, they are gorgeous.

It is true that the Western mountains are bigger and the landscape is amazing, but so are the beautiful trees on the Eastern Mountains.

As someone who hates really hot weather, I was the one who pushed for retiring in Burlington - and my husband and I love it. It is a winter wonderland, stunningly gorgeous in fall and spring and has cool breezes most nights in summer.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
37. If you ever want to treat yourself, have dinner at Shelburne Farms Inn
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:04 PM
Aug 2015

sometime if you haven't already. We sat outside overlooking the lake and the Adirondacks w/ the beautiful Italian gardens in front of us. Everything they serve is made or grown on the farm or locally sourced. It was one of the loveliest evenings I have ever had.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
47. I've gone there for brunch a few times
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:09 PM
Aug 2015

It was absolutely fantastic and they welcome people to stay and walk the grounds -- which we did. One time was when all the lilacs around the inn were in bloom. A feast for both the eyes and nose. We tried to get a reservation for dinner once, but waited way too long -- and they were already booked. We will definitely do so. (We eally like their cheese as well!)

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
17. It's convenient that Alaska and Hawaii were left out.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:22 PM
Aug 2015

I've lived a lot of places - including several in California - but to me, Alaska is the best. You'd have to pry me out of here with a crowbar.

Z_California

(650 posts)
19. I live in #1
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 01:40 PM
Aug 2015

I do love Ventura County, but there are drawbacks. The city I live in is the home to the worst nuclear accident in American history, the courtroom where the Rodney King cops were acquitted, and the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library.

The weather is amazing though.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
29. I used to live there
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:50 PM
Aug 2015

I really want to go back there. We moved there in 1967, I left in 2004. Went there the other day, bought a sub at Chi Chi's and came back home. I loved living there. No pot shops, but the valley isn't far.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
56. I live in the county, too, near the 101 on the LA County
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:47 AM
Aug 2015

border. In this part of the county, the summer weather is hot -- as hot as the oven known as the San Fernando Valley. I do admit that much of the rest of the county enjoys cooler temps. Still, there isn't much to see or do here. Nothing special for tourists, unless a Repuke wants to take in St. Ronnie's library. I can think of a dozen counties in CA alone that are more desirable.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
53. I live 50 Miles from Texas and it makes me sick
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:50 PM
Aug 2015

I refuse to go there, pay any sales taxes,etc. to such a crap state.
I'm sure there are great people there, but the people running the place are really shit.

Women should run from the place, esp. Hispanic women...They are treated like chattel.
And the poor teachers..,

Of course, I'm stuck with Gov. Martinez and Pearce in Congress, so there are BAD things here in Southern NM, too...

My only solace are the Organ Mountains and the sky...and pretty cheap avocados!

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
22. Why is the Department of Agriculture wasting their time on this bullshit?
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015

A: They have too much taxpayer money.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
26. Their county ratings actually correlated highly with population growth, so there's that.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:39 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not sure why the USDA was doing that kind of research, but I would imagine that this is important stuff for a lot of planners across a number of government agencies.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
28. number two ranked Humboldt County must be a terrible mistake....
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 02:45 PM
Aug 2015

Really, it sucks here. You would hate it. For god's sake, stay away.

Snobblevitch

(1,958 posts)
30. This county rating doesn't make sense.
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:17 PM
Aug 2015

Why is Cook County ranked high and the rest of the state of Minnesota a veritable wasteland?

I grew up on a Minnesota lake. Yes, the winters were brutal, as were the summers. In between, it was heaven. That's the reason the interior of the USA was the last to be settled. Minus 100 degree windchills in the winter and 100 degree heat in the summer, with high humidity.

fizzgig

(24,146 posts)
33. #77 - larimer county, co
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 03:42 PM
Aug 2015

it's the colder winter and access to a body water that ding us most. yeah, we get a couple weeks of arctic freeze every year and, yeah, there's a chance of getting a two- or three-foot dump of snow (rarely more than once a winter, if at all), but our winters are pretty mild. and there's plenty of reservoirs and lakes that i can get to in as little as 20 minutes.

my husband wants to move and part of me wants to, but i grew up here and the other part of me can't imagine not living here.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
34. These maps back up why I can't think of living anywhere else than the West
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

Not only the topographic variation but also the mild winters. I don't know how you people in the Eastern U.S. can live with your brutal winters and brutal humid summers. At least in Arizona in the summer, the nights are warm and great, due to the dry heat. In the East, you have to still deal with the oppressive humidity at night.

There's actually so little year round desirable land in America, most of it is in California. No wonder why housing prices are so high there. Southern California in particular has mild winters and mild summers (especially with the Marine Layer cooling things down.)

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
38. National Geographic so disagrees with my county being 2000 something
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:14 PM
Aug 2015

The Northeast Kingdom has been listed in the North American and international editions of "1,000 Places to See Before You Die", the New York Times best-selling book by Patricia Schultz. In 2006, the National Geographic Society named the Northeast Kingdom as the most desirable place to visit in the country and the ninth most desirable place to visit in the world.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Kingdom

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
41. There is no average or below average scenery along the
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:27 PM
Aug 2015

Lake Superior shoreline or Lake Michigan or Lake Huron for that matter.

likesmountains 52

(4,098 posts)
43. wow...I live in the 69th best county!
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:43 PM
Aug 2015

too bad it's also the place where the Gold King mine poured 3 million gallons of mine sludge in to the river that runs through here...

struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
45. Dunno
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 08:48 PM
Aug 2015

I've lived in 1732, 988, 35, 2202, 279, 1754, and 1644

I loved living in 35 but I expect hardly anybody is going to move there -- and I really hope hardly anybody does, because it's fragile and they'll ruin it

But I also loved living in 1732 and 2202 (which are quite populous) and 1754, where I've been many years now

De gustibus non disputandum



Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
49. Alright! There are 707 counties that suck more than we do!
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 09:22 PM
Aug 2015

Okay, so maybe #2404 isn't that great, but just wait until the sea level rises another five feet or so...

...nah, we'll still be at #2404. But at least we'll have waterfront property.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
52. WOW, I live in #165 out of over 3000!
Sun Aug 23, 2015, 10:40 PM
Aug 2015

Every day I look out over the arroyo as my flock of quail come looking for their breakfast...and I gaze at the Organ Mountains, the newly minted National Monument.

So much different than living in Jersey....Jersey has wonderful places, BUT...the traffic was unbearable 15 years ago when I left 15 years ago and I can't imagine what it's like now...Haven't been back....

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
55. I live in #1 Ventura County, and there is
Mon Aug 24, 2015, 02:32 AM
Aug 2015

no possible way this county is the most desirable place to live in America. The landscape is pleasant but nothing to write home about -- decent beaches, modest mountains, plenty of scrub brush. It's basically a county that people drive through on their way north to Santa Barbara, which has equally nice weather and better scenery or south to LA. What Gertrude Stein said about Oakland is true of Ventura County -- there's no there there.

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