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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:38 PM Aug 2015

Man everything is so damn Brutal...

Gotcha And you all thought this was going to be just another meta thread...

Ready why this style is making a comeback!

Why Brutalist Architecture Is So Hard to Love

Roman Mars’ podcast 99% Invisible covers design questions large and small, from his fascination with rebar to the history of slot machines to the great Los Angeles Red Car conspiracy. Here at The Eye, we cross-post new episodes and host excerpts from the 99% Invisible blog, which offers complementary visuals for each episode.

This week's edition—about Brutalism—can be played below. Or keep reading to learn more.


https://soundcloud.com/roman-mars/99-invisible-176-hard-to-love-a-brute

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No matter which James Bond actor is your favorite, it’s undeniable that the Sean Connery films had the best villains. There’s Blofeld, who turned cat-stroking into a thing that supervillains do, and then there’s Goldfinger—Bond’s flashiest nemesis. Fun fact: The author of the James Bond books, Ian Fleming, named Goldfinger for a real person—an architect by the name of Erno Goldfinger, who made giant, hulking, austere concrete buildings. Fleming disliked these buildings so intensely that he immortalized their architect as a villain in pop culture.

And Fleming wasn’t the only critic. Goldfinger’s buildings were decreed “soulless.” Inhabitants claimed to suffer health problems and depression from spending time inside of them. Some of Goldfinger’s buildings were vacated because occupants found them so ugly. Yet, architects praised Goldfinger’s buildings. His Trellick Tower in London, completed in 1972 and once threatened with demolition, has been awarded landmark status.

This divide—this hatred from the public and love from designers and architects—tends to be the narrative around buildings like Goldfinger’s. Which is to say, gigantic, imposing buildings made of concrete.

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Some people refer to this building style as Brutalist architecture, but Brutalism is a big, broad label that’s used inconsistently, and architects tend to disagree on a precise definition of the word. Furthermore, the word brutalism has intense connotations, even though it’s not actually related to brutality. The word originates from the French béton brut, which means raw concrete.


Read More about this architecture style, and the building which represent it including my hometown's city hall.

Boston's City Hall...

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Man everything is so damn Brutal... (Original Post) Agschmid Aug 2015 OP
I learn something new on DU every day malaise Aug 2015 #1
That fact is the best thing about DU. PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #19
Overpowering HassleCat Aug 2015 #2
Yes they are very overpowering, there are a few in Boston so I end up near them quite a bit... Agschmid Aug 2015 #3
I hate brutalist architecture and I agree that Boston has some incredibly ugly smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #24
Interesting... Spazito Aug 2015 #4
To be fair some may be prettier or more appealing in color but I love brutalism in B&W. Agschmid Aug 2015 #5
I tend to like some curvature in the building rather than strictly linear block style... Spazito Aug 2015 #6
Very interesting! historylovr Aug 2015 #7
I call it gawdawful ugly. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #8
Can I ask you favorite style of architecture? Agschmid Aug 2015 #14
anything that doesn't resemble the worst features of a soviet prison block. hobbit709 Aug 2015 #15
Perpendicular gothic! Adrahil Aug 2015 #17
Half timber is very cool. Agschmid Aug 2015 #18
I always considered it futuristic PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #9
I much prefer Art Deco buildings CTyankee Aug 2015 #10
That's one of my favorite styles as well. The Chrysler building is probably my favorite, smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #25
artr deco was short lived but I thought it was wonderful... CTyankee Aug 2015 #31
The University of Illinois - Chicago campus was Brutalist style, closeupready Aug 2015 #11
Too bad they tore some of the buildings down! Agschmid Aug 2015 #21
The FBI building in DC seems to fit n2doc Aug 2015 #12
Very brutal! Agschmid Aug 2015 #22
Yes, of course it might get sold and torn down. n/t FSogol Aug 2015 #27
Privatization the terror of the America Economy. Agschmid Aug 2015 #33
I *hated* this style in my youth tosh Aug 2015 #13
Yes it screams "1984" ... Agschmid Aug 2015 #16
Huh. Thanks for the new term. Daemonaquila Aug 2015 #20
I love that sort of architecture. Codeine Aug 2015 #23
I find it harsh and rather unpleasant to look at ... n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #26
Some of the color pictures are even worse... Agschmid Aug 2015 #28
Especially this one IMO. RKP5637 Aug 2015 #32
Like my dormitory at Macalester in St. Paul Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #29
It's seems (upthread) some of the story might be true! Agschmid Aug 2015 #30
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
2. Overpowering
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

It's not that his designs are so ugly. I think some are and some are not. The thing they all seem to have in common is they overpower the person. When you look at the building, you get the feeling it wants to crush you or dominate you in some way.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. I hate brutalist architecture and I agree that Boston has some incredibly ugly
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:50 PM
Aug 2015

buildings. I live here and there are a few buildings that I would just like to see razed.

I really miss the architecture in NYC. So many amazing buildings, especially from the first half of the 20th century.

Spazito

(50,393 posts)
4. Interesting...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:53 PM
Aug 2015

Most of the buildings in the pics are quite ugly to me with the exception of your City Hall which, while less than creative architecturally, has some redeeming features the others lack.

Thanks for posting this, the history of "Goldfinger" was also fascinating.

Spazito

(50,393 posts)
6. I tend to like some curvature in the building rather than strictly linear block style...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:05 PM
Aug 2015

historically I absolutely love Gothic style buildings, they are so dark yet intriguing to me, gargoyles and all, lol.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
14. Can I ask you favorite style of architecture?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:01 PM
Aug 2015

In some ways I have a love hate relationship with brutalism.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
18. Half timber is very cool.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:24 PM
Aug 2015

I love architecture that always is a bit different, it's pleasing to look at and find what makes it different.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
9. I always considered it futuristic
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

When I used to look at buildings (many from 60s and 70s were that way) it made me think star treky thoughs of a better future. Walking by them made me want to work towards that future. I guess it probably had to do more with my star trek exposure than anything.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
25. That's one of my favorite styles as well. The Chrysler building is probably my favorite,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:53 PM
Aug 2015

but there are so many lesser know deco buildings in NY that are not as prominent but that have amazing detail and absolutely gorgeous deco interiors. I used to just pop in and look at the lobbies of the older buildings and they were works of art!

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
11. The University of Illinois - Chicago campus was Brutalist style,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:27 PM
Aug 2015

which I didn't know until you posted this thread, but I did remember the harshness of the design - apparently, one of the design principles was that the structures should be able to withstand bomb blasts and rioting, of which there were lots of both during the 60's and early 70's on college campuses.

http://www.uic.edu/master_plan/history.html

It might be said that the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) began back in 1867 as a promise - a promise to establish a "polytechnical" branch in Chicago if the main land-grant university campus could be built downstate - a promise that would not be fulfilled until 98 years later in 1965 when state and local dignitaries cut the ribbon officially opening the University of Illinois Chicago Circle campus (UICC). Chicago architect Walter Netsch of Skidmore, Owings and Merrill designed and master planned the campus in the, at the time, revolutionary Brutalism style. (The Chicago Circle was the name of the interstate highway interchange at the northeast corner of the new campus.)


Probably one of the most depressing public spaces ever.

I think they recently redesigned it, and no longer have the whatchamacallit - elevated sidewalks.

And further:

In Part 1 of this two-part blog post, I introduced the development of the University of Illinois at Chicago. Now let’s explore the experimental architectural style for this college campus, especially because it’s a style that many people don’t understand.

Brutalist architecture is an austere style of architecture that came into being in the 1950s-1970s. Characterized by massive forms, often of poured concrete, and usually devoid of exterior decor, brutalist buildings often end up looking like modern-day fortresses. Since the UIC campus razed a community of thousands of people, I kind of wonder…couldn’t they have designed buildings that architecturally welcomed the surrounding area with open arms, to make up for their damage to the community?

In my opinion, these massive, dark, concrete and brick buildings are uninviting. Now trust me, I appreciate concrete very much, but not so much with brutalism. It’s all about the execution, people. Some of the campus buildings have cool geometric forms, yes....


http://www.chicagodetours.com/uic-brutalist-architecture/

Now, as a lover of public gathering spaces, I wish the Greek amphitheater they had in the center of campus still existed. It was torn down along with the second floor walkways; they were falling apart, and it was an effort to de-concretize the campus a bit. While the Chicago Pedway System works in downtown Chicago, the theory behind pedestrian walkways on the UIC campus seemed better than the practice.


So yes, apparently, they did tear down the walkways and also, sadly, the amphitheater, which actually was my favorite public area of the campus - it was kind of like you're walking above ground level - all about campus - on this elevated concrete campus, and then you come to the amphitheater which resembled a huge woofer, where you could have a cigarette or sunbathe, chat with friends.


Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
21. Too bad they tore some of the buildings down!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:22 PM
Aug 2015

UMass Amherst has the same type of construction, never really thought about the reason. Great post thanks!

tosh

(4,424 posts)
13. I *hated* this style in my youth
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:58 PM
Aug 2015

but have grown into an appreciation for it now. (Well, a lot of it, not all.)

I find it rather fitting for our increasingly dystopic universe.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
20. Huh. Thanks for the new term.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:29 PM
Aug 2015

I had no idea there was an actual word for that godsawful style. Learn something new every day.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. I love that sort of architecture.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:35 PM
Aug 2015

It appeals to the science-fiction-reading kid that still lives inside me, I guess. And it always screams Mid-Century Modern to me, though it really isn't, I suppose.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
29. Like my dormitory at Macalester in St. Paul
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:11 PM
Aug 2015

The urban legend was that it (the building) had such small window openings so students couldn't throw things in a riot! (That legend has been refuted-and the architecture style is listed as Brutalism-which I did not know existed. I just referred to it as "Post-Soviet" {my name}).

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
30. It's seems (upthread) some of the story might be true!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:16 PM
Aug 2015

Post soviet is an architecture type, it's just not quite the same... Sort of a modified brutalism, a little more shape, color, and glass.

Not a great source but some information: http://io9.com/the-towering-glory-and-infinite-weirdness-of-post-sovie-1510533543

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