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jpak

(41,758 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:39 PM Aug 2015

A huge El Niņo could devastate Southern California

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-huge-el-nino-could-devastate-southern-california-20150813-story.html

It started in October 1997 in Mexico, when a hurricane fueled by El Niño slammed into Acapulco, causing massive flooding and hundreds of deaths.

A few weeks later, storms started hitting Southern California. Mobile home parks in Huntington Beach flooded, forcing rescuers to use inflatable boats and a catamaran to rescue residents. Then in December, the skies opened up in Orange County in what meteorologists described as the biggest rainstorm in a century. More than seven inches fell in parts of south Orange County in one day. Mudslides destroyed hillside homes. Neighborhoods flooded. Major roads were made impassable by debris.

And that was just the beginning. Over the next few months, a series of powerful storms caused havoc, washing away roads and railroad tracks, overflowing flood control channels, causing 17 deaths and more than half a billion dollars in damage in California. The toll was far worse in Mexico, where Tijuana and other cities faced crippling flooding.

The importance of the El Niño storm of 1997-98 is now coming into focus as scientists say the weather pattern is returning to Southern California with a vengeance.

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A huge El Niņo could devastate Southern California (Original Post) jpak Aug 2015 OP
Sounds like California has a feast or famine when it comes to water. nt Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2015 #1
You got it. KamaAina Aug 2015 #7
It could also put a huge dent in their drought. nt B2G Aug 2015 #2
Almost all that water SwankyXomb Aug 2015 #13
My son is starting college this fall in So. Cal. Kber Aug 2015 #3
Where's he studying at? taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #6
Pomona College in Claremont Kber Aug 2015 #10
Claremont is a great little city. Codeine Aug 2015 #15
El Niņo vs. the Blob: Here's Why California's Drought Probably Won't End Anytime Soon PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #4
This El Nino is shaping up to be so strong taught_me_patience Aug 2015 #5
An artifact of climate change is that California PufPuf23 Aug 2015 #8
Nature will fuck us over, and who can blame it. Arugula Latte Aug 2015 #9
Bring it on n/t PasadenaTrudy Aug 2015 #11
I remember. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #12
This person says it's the "wrong" kind of El Nino Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #14

Kber

(5,043 posts)
3. My son is starting college this fall in So. Cal.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:28 PM
Aug 2015

He picked Cali partially for the weather - oh well!

It will still probably beat Rochester, NY or Amherst, MA in February.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
6. Where's he studying at?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

I Welcome him to So. Cal. It's going to be really hard to leave once he gets here!

Kber

(5,043 posts)
10. Pomona College in Claremont
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:21 PM
Aug 2015

Yeah - we are somewhat expecting to lose him.

He's used to North East winters, summer humidity, seasonal allergies, and similar inconveniences.

The earthquakes, fires, floods (and, I assume, occasional hordes of locusts?) may be an acceptable tradeoff for him.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
15. Claremont is a great little city.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:06 PM
Aug 2015

Far enough from LA to be comfortable but close enough to enjoy the culture.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
4. El Niņo vs. the Blob: Here's Why California's Drought Probably Won't End Anytime Soon
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:32 PM
Aug 2015

I posted this article in E&E and Good Reads several weeks ago. Nice graphics.

California could be in for a wetter-than-normal winter, thanks to the mysterious meteorological phenomenon known as El Niño. Weather scientists have been watching El Niño get stronger throughout this year and think it could match or surpass the strongest on record, back in 1997. What does this mean for long-suffering California and its interminable drought? Let us explain.

What the heck is El Niño again?

Normally, equatorial winds in the Pacific Ocean blow toward the west and push warm surface water in that direction. El Niño—"the child," named in reference to Jesus by Spanish-speaking fishermen from South America who noticed, starting centuries ago, unusual weather around Christmas-time—happens every few years when those winds die down or diminish, leaving more warm water pooled along the equator off the coast of South America.

That's been happening this year; the longer the wind pattern remains unusual, the more the eastern Pacific warms up. Here's a map of ocean temperature anomalies (that is, variations from the long-term average) from late June. Notice the band of red and white (white is the hottest) in the center of the Pacific and the cooler-than-usual water off Southeast Asia? That's El Niño:

(Side note: Satellite maps like these are a prime example of the kind of research GOP presidential contender Ted Cruz wants to block NASA from conducting.) Now check out the same reading from last week. It's gotten stronger:


NASA

That trend is probably going to continue throughout this year, said Daniel Swain, an atmospheric scientist at Stanford University.

"It hasn't peaked yet, and it's already quite strong," he said.......

article at: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2015/07/sorry-california-el-nino-wont-save-you-drought

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
5. This El Nino is shaping up to be so strong
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Aug 2015

it will completely and totally overwhelm this blob and destroy it. The coming Kelvin wave is literally off the chart anomaly.

PufPuf23

(8,802 posts)
8. An artifact of climate change is that California
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:03 PM
Aug 2015

can have strong El Nino and strong drought at the same time.

Climate change means more and more extreme peak climate events and increased biological extinctions as well as coastal flooding.

And there is no going back no alas.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. This person says it's the "wrong" kind of El Nino
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:52 PM
Aug 2015

to devastate California. Apparently, this is an international dateline El Nino and not a West Coast El Nino.

I was all happy until I found this out. Here's the link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141176487#post23

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