The Gun Doesn’t Have to Go Off for It to Be a Hate Crime

[onehandle]

An analysis of federal data reveals a pattern of intimidation-by-firearm.

The day seemed to be ending like any other, with people traveling their familiar routes home and the sun descending behind the red maple and cottonwood trees. Yvonne, a black woman in her 30s, was driving with her five young children on a two-lane road in Oakland County, Michigan, 45 minutes northwest of Detroit. She had just eased her car into the right lane when she glanced at her rearview mirror and saw a dark green Bonneville speeding up behind her. The vehicle abruptly pulled to the left, beside Yvonne, and kept pace with her car until they were both stopped by a red light. She looked over and saw the driver, a white man in his 20s. Next to him was a white woman of the same age. Yvonne’s window was cracked. A report of the March 8, 2013 incident notes Yvonne’s clear memory of what happened next. She heard the man scream, “Learn how to drive, niggers!”

When the light changed, the man swerved in front of Yvonne’s car. (Her real name is redacted in law enforcement documents.) She tried to slow down to avoid him, but he pressed his breaks, too. Yvonne saw the Bonneville’s passenger reach under the seat and come up with an L-shaped object that the woman then passed to the driver. He began to wave it threateningly. Yvonne’s kids, realizing it was a handgun, started to scream.

A little farther down the road, traffic came to a standstill, trapping Yvonne and her children, who then ranged in age from 7 to 16. At the first opportunity, she cranked the wheel, made a U-turn, and sped off in the other direction, racing to her house, where she felt safe.

Hate crimes and gun violence are usually treated as separate issues, except when they tragically collide, as they did earlier this summer when 21-year-old white supremacist Dylann Roof allegedly shot and killed nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina. But events like Charleston are ultimately outliers. It is the kind of hate crime that Yvonne experienced that is reflective of the far more ordinary ways in which firearms are used to terrorize and intimidate people.

http://www.thetrace.org/2015/08/hate-crimes-race-assault-data-guns

[stone space]

1. Craig Hicks terrorized his victims repeatedly over a perion of several months.

It tends to get describes as a triple murder, which focuses our attention on those last few moments of terror.

But the months of terror, leading up to it, day in and day out, should also not be forgotten.

[onehandle]

3. Gun culture is all about instilling fear in people. nt

[GGJohn]

4. Oh bullshit.

The culture is about respecting the 2A, not about instilling fear in people.
Are there some who get off on scaring people with their firearms? Yes, but the huge majority of firearms owners are responsible, law abiding citizens who are peacefully exercising their RKBA.

[stone space]

5. Craig Hicks was openly terrorizing his neighbors with his guns, day in and day out.

But gun nuts don't give a shit.

Your Gun Rites Trump Muslim Lives.

[GGJohn]

6. You'll notice that I did say there were some who like to intimidate people,

but the vast majority of firearms owners are responsible, law abiding citizens exercising their RKBA

Reading comprehension is your friend.

[stone space]

7. ALL Open Carry intimidates people. Even when we pay their salary. (nt)

[GGJohn]

8. This thread isn't about open carry,

although where I live, it's not uncommon to see people OC'ing and it doesn't bother anyone that I know of.

[Lee-Lee]

9. Oh horseshit

In most of rural America seeing a farmer with a pistol on their belt and/or rifle in the back window of a pickup truck as they go to town for gas, a meal or supplies is perfectly normal and nobody is intimidated.

Don't project your own insecurities and listed exposure to matters on all people.

[stone space]

10. We actually had an open carry incident here in Iowa.

Some guy from Texas took his gun to a Costco.

He was kicked out, though.

His wife posted a photo of him carrying his gun in the store on facebook.

Along with a bunch of right wing memes, of course.

We don't want that shit here in Iowa.

Too many people are dying.

Too many ruined lives.

Don't try to tell me that this shit doesn't scare people.

That's exactly what it is intended to do.

[GGJohn]

11. Sure it scares some people,

but if open carry is allowed in your state, then it's going to happen.
BTW, private businesses are free to disallow firearms on their premises.

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12. We need to stop allowing and encouraging terrorism.

but if open carry is allowed in your state, then it's going to happen.

[GGJohn]

13. Except open carry is not terrorism.

I open carry every time I go out to take care of our livestock or go hiking, when in town, I carry concealed, that doesn't make me a terrorist, it makes me a citizen that's exercising my 2A right.

[stone space]

14. Oh, bullshit!

Except open carry is not terrorism.

Why do you think Costco kicked him out?

Because he was terrorizing their customers and their employees, that's why.

[GGJohn]

16. Oh bullshit!

They asked him to leave because they have a no guns policy in their store. Iowa does allow open carry, but businesses are free to forbid firearms on their property.

[Glassunion]

15. Open carry has its time and place.

Like you said, a farmer coming into town for supplies in rural America is fine. But when these assholes use it as a protest tool, or when 20 of these pickle-shits descend on a coffee shop because 'Merica, they are being intimidating assholes.

[GGJohn]

17. Couldn't agree more, and when I come into town for supplies,

my firearm is concealed.

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18. This was in a store. Right here in Iowa.

Except open carry is not terrorism.

I don't want to hear about your livestock while people are dying.

He should have been arrested immediately and all of his guns confiscated for life.

Why should people like that be allowed to terrorize folks with their guns?

[GGJohn]

19. Arrested for what?

Open carry is legal in Iowa, all the store could do is ask him to leave, if he complies, then no crime has been committed, if he refuses, then the only charge would be trespass, which is a minor misdemeanor.

[stone space]

20. Terrorism.

Arrested for what?

[GGJohn]

21. You're funny.

[stone space]

22. People are dying and you're laughing while defending the terrorists.

Disgusting!

Absolutely disgusting!

[GGJohn]

25. You just can't stop lying about what I said can you.

I'm laughing at YOU and your definition of terrorism,
but you knew that.
BTW:

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28. IOWAN LIVES MATTER!

I'm laughing at YOU and your definition of terrorism,
but you knew that.

BTW:

[GGJohn]

29. Wow!!!

That was deep.
All lives matter, so what's your point?

[stone space]

30. Iowan Lives Matter! (nt)

[GGJohn]

31. Your needle stuck?

What's your point?

[GGJohn]

23. Unlike you,

I understand the true meaning of terrorism, unlike you, I don't get the vapors when I see someone open carrying, it's quite normal around where I live, as is conceal carry.

[hack89]

24. Can you link to the actual statute so we can see the criteria used to call it terrorism?

thanks in advance.

[stone space]

26. Your Gun Rites Trumped Her Life

Iowan Lives Matter!

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/iowa-open-carry-nut-gunned-down-mall-worker-who-filed-sexual-harassment-complaints-against-him/

Andrea Farrington Obituary



Andrea Farrington

Montezuma

Andrea Farrington, 20 of Cedar Rapids, formerly of Montezuma passed away tragically Friday evening, June 12, 2015 in Coralville, Iowa. Funeral services will begin at 10:30 am on Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at the Community Hope Church in Montezuma. As was her wish, her body will be cremated following the service. Visitation will be held Tuesday, June 16, 2015 beginning at 12:00 pm at the Community Hope Church with the family present to greet family and friends from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm. Memorial contributions may be made in Andrea's name to be determined at a later date. Friends may sign the online guestbook at www.hollandcoblefuneralhomes.com. Holland-Coble Funeral Home of Montezuma is in charge of arrangements.

Andrea Farrington, the daughter of David and Cheryl Farrington, was born on June 23, 1994 in Phoenix, Arizona. She graduated from Montezuma High School with the class of 2012. After graduation, Andrea attended Hawkeye Community College, Iowa Valley Community College and Kirkwood Community College before landing her dream job at the Iowa Children's Museum in Iowa City as a playologist and a guest welcome specialist. Andrea absolutely loved her job and working with children. She interacted with everyone; befriending them with her contagious laugh and infectious smile. In 2014, Andrea had double bone jaw surgery that she was very proud of and it changed her life. She was an avid Iowa Hawkeye and Chicago Bears fan. She loved her years of cheerleading, playing loud music, cereal, SnapChat, and above all- car rides with her best friend, Cassie.

She was preceded in death by her paternal grandfather, Jim Farrington, and two cousins, Tony Farrington and Shawna Hicks.

Andrea is survived by her parents, Dave Farrington of Montezuma and Cheryl Farrington of Grinnell; her sister Cassandra Farrington of Grinnell; her paternal grandmother, Norma Jean Farrington of Montezuma; her maternal grandparents, Leigh and Barb Wilcox of West Des Moines; her special friend, Connor Sirovy; her uncles and aunts, Chad (Tara) Wilcox, Nancy (Walter) Hagist, Alan Farrington, Rebecca (Skip) Fatzinger, Pam (Mike) Bennelli, Scott Farrington, and James Farrington; her cousins; and her many, many friends.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/desmoinesregister/obituary.aspx?pid=175078695

[hack89]

27. That is murder - I agree

but we were talking about terrorism. Can you show me the actual terrorism law you would charge people under.

[GGJohn]

32. Another meaningless post in the context of this thread.

You were asked to provide a link that says open carry is terrorism, can you do that?
I mean instead of posts that have nothing to do with the question on hand?

[stone space]

33. Iowan Lives Matter!

Mall victim's uncle shares happy memories of Andrea Farrington

Posted: Jun 16, 2015 1:03 PM CDT

Updated: Jun 16, 2015 4:20 PM CDT

Written by Eric Page, Assistant News

CORALVILLE (KWWL) -
Family and friends are coming together to remember Andrea Farrington, the 20-year-old killed at Coral Ridge Mall on Friday night.

In a phone conversation, Andrea's uncle, Chad Wilcox, shared some memories with KWWL.

When asked what he remembers most about Andrea, Chad says the fact that she was fun-loving and energetic. He says she talked to everyone. Even if she didn't know you, she was going to talk to you and bring up your mood.

When asked what he was going to miss most about Andrea, he said the relationship Andrea had with his five-year-old-daughter. Wilcox says it's sad to know that Andrea won't be around to mentor his daughter.

Chad also cleared up some information. He says that, while Andrea was going to move back to Grinnell to be closer to her mom and sister, she was going to make the drive to Coralville so she could continue working at the museum because it was her dream job. He said she hoped to pick up more hours as well.

In addition to working at the museum, Chad also said that Andrea was planning to become a Certified Nursing Assistant.

After getting word the Iowa Children's Museum was going to dedicate their turtle exhibit to Andrea, we asked Chad where her love of turtles came from. Chad says it came out of nowhere. He says Andrea and the turtle just clicked, like they were "soul mates." He says Andrea would send several Snapchats a week of her and Peter the turtle.

The family is very thankful for the outpouring of support from everyone, including many people they don't know. Chad says while they can't respond to it all, they are reading it all.

On behalf of Andrea, he wants to tell everyone to keep smiling. He says Andrea would never quit smiling, so no one else should.

Visitation for Andrea continues until 7 p.m. Tuesday night at Hope Church in Montezuma.

Funeral services are at 10:30 a.m. Wednesday at Hope Church.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/29333232/2015/06/16/mall-victims-uncle-shares-happy-memories-of-andrea-farrington

[GGJohn]

34. And another meaningless post in the context of this thread and the question pending.

Can you cite the law that says open carry is terrorism?
Do try to answer the question?

[GGJohn]

35. Arizona lives matter!

California lives matter! Texas lives matter!
See, I can do that too.

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36. Yes, they do.

Arizona lives matter!

See, I can do that too.

Why are you laughing about this?

I don't believe for a moment that you honestly believe that Arizona Lives Matter.

If you did, you would have supported these terrorists being arrested, jailed, and having their guns confiscated for life.

These terrorists were threatening an OCCUPYPHEONIX encampment filled with families and children with their AR-15s.

There could have been a massacre that day. But the cops just stood there and did absolutely nothing, as you can see from the video.

Instead, you are laughing about how Your Gun Rites Trumped Arizona Lives.

[GGJohn]

42. LOL.

Like I care what you believe, ooops, I don't.

[GGJohn]

45. You really believe the police wouldn't have intervened if they percieved a threat?

Jeez dude, get a grip.

[stone space]

37. Yes, they do.

Texas lives matter!

See, I can do that too.

Why are you laughing about this?

I don't believe for a moment that you honestly believe that Texas Lives Matter.

If you did, you would have supported these terrorists being arrested, jailed, and having their guns confiscated for life.

These terrorists were threatening everybody in that restaurant with their guns.

There could have been a massacre that day.

But instead, you are laughing about how Your Gun Rites Trumped Texas Lives.

[GGJohn]

43. Terrorists?

Where?
All I see are 4 adults and a child posing for a picture, in what fantasy world of yours are these 5 people terrorists?
For being a supposed calculus teacher, your not very bright on the law.

[stone space]

38. Yes, they do.

Arizona lives matter!

http://wonkette.com/592820/open-carry-dude-assaults-wife-kills-two-sons-keeps-second-amendment-safe#l8EfP3yjiKaRiwOH.99

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11387765

See, I can do that too.

Why are you laughing about this?

I don't believe for a moment that you honestly believe that Arizona Lives Matter.

If you did, you would have supported these terrorists being arrested, jailed, and having their guns confiscated for life.

Instead, you keep laughing about how Your Gun Rites Trumped Arizona Lives.

[friendly_iconoclast]

40. Are you able to cite *any* law that the people you want arrested have broken?

I rather doubt it...

[GGJohn]

44. Terrorists?

Where?
All I see is a loving father with his 2 sons, in what fantasy world of yours are these 3 people terrorists?

[Duckhunter935]

2. Bulbs

[beevul]

39. The link in the OP is sponsored by mayor 1percentstopandfrisk.

As such, it kind of mutes the message.

Bloomberg is a racist.

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. "Bloomberg is a racist." And a control freak, willing to bend the law to the point of breaking...

...in order to get at those he considers 'bad'. Sadly, as seen in this thread, several DUers
are quite willing to go along with him against "those people"...