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MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:51 PM Aug 2015

An unmistakable sign of age, but...

Last edited Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Shortly before my 70th birthday last month, a limb on the huge maple tree in my front yard succumbed to wind from a thunderstorm. Still hinged to the tree trunk at its base, it fell slowly onto my roof. It didn't damage the roof, but there it was.

Not a huge limb, and just 8" in diameter where it met the trunk.

I have a chainsaw. I have ladders. I have ropes. I looked at the limb and plotted how to remove it. Where it was still attached to the trunk was about 15 feet above the ground. I thought about it. I guessed its weight and considered what stresses there were that might cause problems. I planned the cuts and figured out where to lash up the big end to control its weight.

Then I remembered that I'd be 70 years old in a couple of days. I went inside and called a tree service. Due to lots of wind damage, they couldn't come until today. No problem. It couldn't fall any farther and there was no roof damage.

So, this morning, three young guys with a big chipper and a truck with a cherry-picker basket showed up. After a short setup, they got to work. 10 minutes later, the limb was off my roof and reduced to chips in their truck. I wrote a modest check, thanked them and watched them drive off.

Sometimes, after due consideration, old guys make smart decisions. 20 years ago, I would have just gone up the ladder and done that job myself. No problem. Not now. I'm slower, not as strong, and have slower reaction time. Let the young guys do it. They need the work.

Things change. Things always change.

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An unmistakable sign of age, but... (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2015 OP
I hear ya...smart decision... dhill926 Aug 2015 #1
Yup. MineralMan Aug 2015 #6
'8" in diameter where it met the trunk' and '15 feet above the ground' onehandle Aug 2015 #2
I think so, too. MineralMan Aug 2015 #12
There is nothing more important than remembering to give up the things malaise Aug 2015 #3
Well, I didn't fall off a ladder. MineralMan Aug 2015 #7
My grandfather died early from a fall. He was 62 and in very good health. One day, he went up on 4lbs Aug 2015 #31
Falls are serious problems for older folks, for sure. MineralMan Aug 2015 #42
My 68 yr old Mr just fell from a ladder arikara Aug 2015 #58
I give up when I can't remember things. Is that the same thing? kairos12 Aug 2015 #24
Depends on what you can't remember malaise Aug 2015 #25
LOL! Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #59
Yep I find myself saying I don't need to remember that shite malaise Aug 2015 #60
Chainsaws and ladders are a young man's game. Codeine Aug 2015 #4
I agree. I've done that stuff in the past, MineralMan Aug 2015 #10
I'm with you MM. And I'm only(?) 64. elias49 Aug 2015 #5
Silver maples! MineralMan Aug 2015 #8
k&r Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #9
Now do yourself a favor Mineral Man. Get a shingles shot. Mr. Shraby is going through a stint with shraby Aug 2015 #11
Not a bad idea... MineralMan Aug 2015 #14
Ooh I will second that advice!! catchnrelease Aug 2015 #29
Ok that does it...I was told I didn't need it after having had shingles... haikugal Aug 2015 #37
I imagine it depends on what the dr believes catchnrelease Aug 2015 #38
That's what I thought until a man 30 years younger my age shot at me seveneyes Aug 2015 #13
Not really an equivalent thing, I think. MineralMan Aug 2015 #15
No, it goes beyond survival seveneyes Aug 2015 #16
So Martin O'malley then eh wot? Schema Thing Aug 2015 #17
I'm in my early 50's and am making those decisions too. FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #18
Smart decision dumbcat Aug 2015 #19
Ain't that the truth. Hekate Aug 2015 #20
...almost there! spanone Aug 2015 #21
Well, I just sharpened my chainsaw and will most likely go after some limbs on the FailureToCommunicate Aug 2015 #22
Yup. I used to do my own tree work, too. MineralMan Aug 2015 #41
You did the right thing, Mineral Man. mike dub Aug 2015 #23
T am 76 and will not even climb onto a stepladder. RebelOne Aug 2015 #26
It is called older and wiser, we now know not to try to do the things we once did, the younger folks Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #27
Sigh. Not all old guys make smart decisions, MineralMan. 1monster Aug 2015 #28
Standing on top of an aluminum ladder... sandpan Aug 2015 #34
Yup. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak... 1monster Aug 2015 #36
I finally installed some expensive gutter screens on mine. MineralMan Aug 2015 #40
This could be a parable. Raine1967 Aug 2015 #30
Probably every story could be a parable. MineralMan Aug 2015 #39
Chainsaw? What, no flamethrower? byronius Aug 2015 #32
*smooch* have a husband that is sooooooooo starting to feel his 70 years..... a kennedy Aug 2015 #33
Going to meet Jesus Fluothane Aug 2015 #35
That's smart, LWolf Aug 2015 #43
I don't, really, but I also can't afford MineralMan Aug 2015 #44
I can pay for some things, but not for all. LWolf Aug 2015 #45
Choices. We all have to prioritize things, I guess. MineralMan Aug 2015 #47
The "unmistakable sign of age" was the wisdom to make the sound judgment to take care of yourself. WillowTree Aug 2015 #46
I suppose. It's a little frustrating, though. MineralMan Aug 2015 #48
I know, but my Daddy always told me....... WillowTree Aug 2015 #49
Yes. That's it, exactly. MineralMan Aug 2015 #50
I'm circling the 60 mark & I now say let the young guy do it too... Historic NY Aug 2015 #51
You're probably right. MineralMan Aug 2015 #53
I disagree re assessing our capabilities malaise Aug 2015 #61
Wise decision. Same here. trof Aug 2015 #52
Absolutely. I could still install a toilet, but I'd MineralMan Aug 2015 #54
The kid across the road needs money gwheezie Aug 2015 #55
Very smart. Chainsaws are deceptively dangerous, MineralMan Aug 2015 #56
I can understand your reasoning. I'm heading towards sixty faster and faster, ladyVet Aug 2015 #57

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. '8" in diameter where it met the trunk' and '15 feet above the ground'
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:55 PM
Aug 2015

Yeah... I would have called the tree service before age 50, much less age 70.

You did the right thing.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
3. There is nothing more important than remembering to give up the things
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:58 PM
Aug 2015

of our youth at the appropriate time.

You're a wise man.

4lbs

(6,858 posts)
31. My grandfather died early from a fall. He was 62 and in very good health. One day, he went up on
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:20 PM
Aug 2015

the roof to repair some shingles that had loosened after a serious rainstorm. He fell off, and broke his hip and a few ribs.

He never fully recovered, and ended up suffering from multiple medical conditions which had him taking various medications.

He died almost 4 years later. All stemming from the fall.

If he would have simply hired some roofers to repair the roof, he likely would have lived another 15 to 20 years.

$400 for the roofers, versus $35000 in medical bills.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
42. Falls are serious problems for older folks, for sure.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:12 AM
Aug 2015

The older I get, the more careful I become about situations that could cause a fall.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
58. My 68 yr old Mr just fell from a ladder
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:40 PM
Aug 2015

Actually, the aluminum ladder buckled on him, they obviously don't make them like they used to. Thankfully the ground was soft and he only scraped his leg. Even that didn't make him stop, he got a bigger ladder and went up again to finish the job. Sometimes I really wonder about his sanity.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
25. Depends on what you can't remember
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:49 PM
Aug 2015

but after a certain age we prioritize what we want to remember.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
5. I'm with you MM. And I'm only(?) 64.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

I have a big, BIG silver maple in my front yard that makes me anxious whenever there's a storm.
So far, so good.
Many more years to you!

shraby

(21,946 posts)
11. Now do yourself a favor Mineral Man. Get a shingles shot. Mr. Shraby is going through a stint with
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:10 PM
Aug 2015

the shingles and it's very, very painful. In fact, very, very, very painful. I got mine after taking care of him. That goes for all you du'ers over 50 who had the chicken pox when young.
Google and read up on it.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
29. Ooh I will second that advice!!
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:07 PM
Aug 2015

I very very rarely get sick and have a high pain tolerance but about 10ish years ago I got shingles and holy mama that was bad! The pain was in the upper left quarter of my face, down around my eye and down along my nose. I didn't know what the heck was going on and when I went to urgent care (it was on the weekend) the stupid dr or whatever he was, said I had an eye infection--even though my eye was not red, weepy, or anything else--just over the top pain around it. Gave me some antibiotics and nothing for the excruciating pain. Went back the next day and got correctly diagnosed but they gave me vicodin, which I found out when I got to my regular dr on Monday, does nothing for nerve pain. Once I got on the correct meds I was pretty lucky and it only lasted about a week more. I know some people have it for months and are left with bad scars.

But I ALWAYS recommend to people GET THE SHINGLES SHOT!!!! My dr did say that it is not a guarantee that you won't get it, but if you do it will cut down on the severity a lot. And I did get the shot even after having shingles. Dr said that it's recommended again after 5 or 6 years.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
37. Ok that does it...I was told I didn't need it after having had shingles...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:30 AM
Aug 2015

I don't ever want to go through that again...I'm going to insist.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
38. I imagine it depends on what the dr believes
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:42 AM
Aug 2015

The one I go to said it was up to me. She had looked into it and said that what she found said after 5-6 years it would be useful to get the shot because you can get Shingles again, just not in the same place as the first time. That was enough for me. I never want to go through that again. I think if it started I would realize what it is and would head straight to the dr and demand the correct meds next time.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
13. That's what I thought until a man 30 years younger my age shot at me
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:11 PM
Aug 2015

He missed, I didn't.

I had hoped the 911 to the younger cops would have stopped him,, but no, I had to do it...

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
18. I'm in my early 50's and am making those decisions too.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:39 PM
Aug 2015

Waxing the boat myself is fine but I'm sore for two days afterwards now.

I pay for younger ones to do it now. They appreciate the money and work. I'm not sore.

win/win.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
19. Smart decision
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:19 PM
Aug 2015

I'll (only) be 67 next week. I hadn't ever broken a bone in my life until 3 years ago, when I fell and broke three ribs. Not fun at all. It took 3 months to get back to normal.

Then last November, I fell over backwards in my garage, my head hit the bumper of my truck on the way down, and slammed my head/neck forward. I broke my collarbone rather severely (with my freakin' CHIN, for god's sake), and now, 9 months and dozens of x-rays, CT scans and MRIs later, I am still having issues with my neck and clavicle.

Our bones don't heal as well or as fast as they used to. I don't climb anymore, Like you, I will watch some young stud with the right equipment and better healing ability have at it.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
22. Well, I just sharpened my chainsaw and will most likely go after some limbs on the
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

ground, but I hear ya about cutting up in trees.

When I was younger - and stupid- I actually took numerous large white pines (2') down piece by piece, tying myself to the trunk because as each chunk fell it nearly knocked my footing as it hit the section below...

It a wonder we survived some of the crazy dumb things we did...

Stay safe out there.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
41. Yup. I used to do my own tree work, too.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:10 AM
Aug 2015

I'll save my chainsaw for cutting small brush, now. I'm not going up on trees or roofs anymore.

mike dub

(541 posts)
23. You did the right thing, Mineral Man.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:42 PM
Aug 2015

As a homeowner as well, I always find that the moment I wonder: should I call a tree service, or an electrician, about the problem ? (Dead tree near the house / need arc fault circuit interrupter installed in the breaker panel) is the moment at which I realize, by having simply asked myself the question, the answer is Affirmative !

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
26. T am 76 and will not even climb onto a stepladder.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:53 PM
Aug 2015

I know how easily you could break bones after a fall since they become brittle with age.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. It is called older and wiser, we now know not to try to do the things we once did, the younger folks
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:03 PM
Aug 2015

needs to get the opportunity to learn anyhow.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
28. Sigh. Not all old guys make smart decisions, MineralMan.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:06 PM
Aug 2015

My DH is 68 and has Parkinson's. The decks around our house are in serious need of replacement, but for some reason, the contractors I called either never showed up or said they couldn't start work until October.

So one bright morning, DH went outside and began tearing up the entrance deck. He got about half way done (which revealed that the framing needed to be replaced too) and ran out of steam. He insisted that he can do the job, but it is obvious that he can't. So I called a contractor in the next city on Friday.

I hadn't received a call back by Monday afternoon, so on Tueday, DH was at it again. What remains of my deck is now hazardous.

I called the next city contractor again and he came out Tuesday afternoon. I'm still awaiting his bid.

Meanwhile, I'm really afraid I'm going to take a nasty fall out there. (I ain't no spring chicken anymore, myself.)

I commend you for recognizing that no matter how sharp the brain, how youthful the attitude, the body does slow down and get more fragile with age. The young whippersnappers can do the work. You can put your feet up and know the job was done as well as you would have done... And no aches and pains for it.

 

sandpan

(34 posts)
34. Standing on top of an aluminum ladder...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:38 PM
Aug 2015

About 5 years ago I was standing on the top step of an aluminum ladder, cleaning out the rain gutters. I had always cleaned my rain gutters, every year, for the previous 20 years. Suddenly the ladder started to give way, time slowed down so I was able to kick the ladder away. I held on the rain gutter for a few seconds so to make sure I fell on my side. As soon as I landed, I stood up, ran inside and pulled down my pants to check out the damage. Just a huge bruise on my calf because my leg landed on the step. The bruise did not go away for almost a year. Oh yeah, I turned 66 last month. Now my daughter comes over to clean the gutters.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
40. I finally installed some expensive gutter screens on mine.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:07 AM
Aug 2015

Too many times up the ladder to dig maple leaves or seeds out of the things. Eventually, I'm sure I'd have fallen. Now, they stay clear of debris.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
30. This could be a parable.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:11 PM
Aug 2015

That is the way I read it.

Not a guy, but..

Sometimes, after due consideration, old guys make smart decisions. 20 years ago, I would have just gone up the ladder and done that job myself. No problem. Not now. I'm slower, not as strong, and have slower reaction time. Let the young guys do it. They need the work.
20 years ago I would have stormed the castle.

Today I work towards getting results that are forward…

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
39. Probably every story could be a parable.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:06 AM
Aug 2015

But, it wasn't my intention to write one in this case. If you find a parable in there, though, you're more than welcome to it.

byronius

(7,396 posts)
32. Chainsaw? What, no flamethrower?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:25 PM
Aug 2015

Or phaser?

Harry Truman's father died during a failed attempt to dig out an impossible boulder in the road he had contracted to work on. Harry always took it as a sign that he should know when to pack it in -- not that he followed that wisdom much.

I'm not going down! I still got it! Oh wait, Darwin's calling --

a kennedy

(29,680 posts)
33. *smooch* have a husband that is sooooooooo starting to feel his 70 years.....
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:26 PM
Aug 2015

and we can't afford to pay the neighborhood kids much.

 

Fluothane

(32 posts)
35. Going to meet Jesus
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:52 PM
Aug 2015

You are much wiser than my neighbor. He is a retired Baptist minister who is quite the daredevil. I got home from work the other day during a light rain shower. He was on his roof with an extension saw trying to cut a small limb down that was hanging over his house. The dude was actually jumping up and down trying to saw the damn thing apart. I asked him if he was trying to go meet Jesus. He looked at me completely confused and asked what the hell I was talking about. I just went inside thinking there was nothing left for me to do.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
43. That's smart,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:14 AM
Aug 2015

as long as you've got the $$ to pay others to do it.

Those that don't either keep doing it themselves, or it doesn't get done.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
44. I don't, really, but I also can't afford
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:16 AM
Aug 2015

to not work. So, it's Hobson's choice a lot of times. A fall, or worse, would be a big blow.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
45. I can pay for some things, but not for all.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:26 AM
Aug 2015

So some I still do myself, and some just doesn't get done. Picking and choosing what to get done and what to leave until next year has become business as usual.

I can still haul and split wood. I can't fix the roof. I paid someone to fix a broken water line outside, but am trying to fix the broken pipe under the kitchen sink myself.

I no longer stack my own hay, but I still manage to haul single bales around myself. Downed trees stay where they fall until I pay someone with a better chain saw to cut them up.

Snow doesn't get shoveled; I tromp through it, and after a few days, I've created a path. My 4wd tacoma is high profile enough to do the same down the long driveway, so I can get in and out.

I can get my son and grandson to help with heavier things sometimes, but I've got them focused on helping my mom, 50 miles in the other direction, in their free time.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
47. Choices. We all have to prioritize things, I guess.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:35 AM
Aug 2015

I still do the snow removal. But I have a good snowblower, and that's not a lot of work. There's not much hand shoveling needed, and I can do that, too without problems.

Big jobs, though, are right out. The last one I did was a chain link fence around my back yard last year. Digging post holes isn't my favorite thing to do, but I did them a couple at a time until they were all done. My neighbor pitched in on the actual fence fabric work, but isn't all that skilled at most things, so I did all the stuff that matters in fence building. The project turned out fine, but I doubt I'll take on anything of that scale again.

I've quit working on cars, too. We finally decided to buy a brand new one because of the warranty. Getting up after working under a car for a while is not so easy these days. Oh, well...

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
46. The "unmistakable sign of age" was the wisdom to make the sound judgment to take care of yourself.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:29 AM
Aug 2015

Good on you, MM!

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
49. I know, but my Daddy always told me.......
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:38 AM
Aug 2015

......."I don't mind growing old so much when I consider the alternative." I understand what he meant more all the time.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
50. Yes. That's it, exactly.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:40 AM
Aug 2015

It's all a matter of balancing benefits against risks. The older you get, the more the risks become the main thing, I guess.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
53. You're probably right.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:50 AM
Aug 2015

Everyone is different, of course. It's a matter of assessing your own capabilities at any age and staying in a safe zone when making decisions of what to do yourself and what to farm out.

At 60, I'd probably have done that limb removal myself, with a neighbor helping with the non-dangerous stuff. I know how to do it safely, and have done similar jobs many times in the past. At 70, though, I shouldn't.

My wife and I moved from California to Minnesota when I was 59. I loaded the moving truck myself and did all of the work on our CA home before we put it on the market. But, when we got here, I hired three moving crew guys to unload the truck and move everything into our new home. I spent a month loading it before the move. It took them three hours to empty it and bring everything in.

We actually bought a 24' moving truck, used, from UHaul for the move. I sold it here, after we were moved in, to someone else who was doing a cross-country move on their own. Life's a fun trip.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
61. I disagree re assessing our capabilities
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:26 PM
Aug 2015

All the data suggests that if we fall after a certain age it is much harder to heal.
I'm going with the data

trof

(54,256 posts)
52. Wise decision. Same here.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:46 AM
Aug 2015

I'm 74.
We needed to replace a toilet.
I've done that myself 3 or 4 times over the years.
This time I called a plumber.
It was worth every nickle.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
54. Absolutely. I could still install a toilet, but I'd
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:51 AM
Aug 2015

probably hire someone. I HATE that job with a burning passion.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
55. The kid across the road needs money
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:01 AM
Aug 2015

He bought himself an old truck and his parents make him pay for all the expenses. I can get him and his friends to do almost anything for money but I do draw the line at chainsaws. Although all these kids have grown up on farms and can use them. I call the tree co for tree work.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
56. Very smart. Chainsaws are deceptively dangerous,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:29 AM
Aug 2015

and safe use requires training and experience. Most young folks don't have enough of either, really. If you're hiring kids to do casual work, it's important to only have them do things that aren't particularly dangerous. Your liability if they are injured is real.

Tree work, especially, can be very dangerous. I've done a good deal of it in my lifetime, and am pretty good at assessing most tree work. You're right to insist on a professional tree service for it. They're insured and reputable companies have workman's comp insurance on their employees and train them properly. They have the right equipment, the right skills and there's someone with significant experience on every job.

Still, hiring young people on a freelance basis to do many jobs is a great idea. It requires some supervision and maybe a little training for them for things they haven't done before, but it's a good thing to do and helps them earn money and build self-confidence. I've done it many times, usually to assist me on jobs I know how to do. It's a great opportunity to help them learn while earning some money.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
57. I can understand your reasoning. I'm heading towards sixty faster and faster,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:52 AM
Aug 2015

and physically this old not-gray-yet mare just ain't what she used to be.

This reminds me of a story about my great-uncle, who was found up on his roof fixing something (loose shingle, I think) when some family members dropped by to visit. He was in his nineties, lived alone in the house he and his late wife raised their family in. He still did all the work around the house, needed no care of any sort -- and seldom, if ever went to the doctor. He lived until he was 96, all of his siblings living well into their ninth decade.

As a child, I used to visit my paternal greatgrandmother, who was in her nineties and lived with her brother, also in his nineties. Their spouses had died years previously.

I can only hope to do half as well.

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