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Poor President Jimmy Carter (Original Post) lonestarnot Aug 2015 OP
Let's be honest - yes cancer is an awful disease but malaise Aug 2015 #1
That wish should go into your hat. None of it is painless. And it has traveled. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #2
I love Jimmy Carter and he is a great human being malaise Aug 2015 #4
Here's to hoping malaise. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #21
I do enjoy your posts, Malaise - but LiberalElite Aug 2015 #3
That's life malaise Aug 2015 #5
I totally understand what you mean. Codeine Aug 2015 #12
Happened three Sundays ago malaise Aug 2015 #16
Be careful what you wish for Maru Kitteh Aug 2015 #22
"Time to reflect is time to lie in terror" jberryhill Aug 2015 #28
Excellent post malaise Aug 2015 #38
When the only thing left on your bucket list is the bucket... jberryhill Aug 2015 #40
My son-in-law who is a P.A. 1939 Aug 2015 #14
He's right malaise Aug 2015 #17
Not always so vankuria Aug 2015 #42
I'm with you. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2015 #15
Sudden heart attacks are beyond awful malaise Aug 2015 #18
+1000K what you said. Very sad news. Heartbreaking. nt 7wo7rees Aug 2015 #31
Ok I misinterpreted your post in the LiberalElite Aug 2015 #43
Cool malaise Aug 2015 #45
Wow. I missed that - very nice - thanks for posting it nt LiberalElite Aug 2015 #47
Why not? panader0 Aug 2015 #6
I'm tired now but will answer - I'll just rant otherwise. LiberalElite Aug 2015 #7
He's not dead yet. cwydro Aug 2015 #29
I don't see what was wrong with Malaise's post! m-lekktor Aug 2015 #9
ok i'm outvoted but I'll explain LiberalElite Aug 2015 #13
Same is true for me malaise Aug 2015 #19
i should be in bed already but LiberalElite Aug 2015 #20
I know reality believe me - LiberalElite Aug 2015 #44
While some would find that cold jberryhill Aug 2015 #26
The philosophical truth that guides my life is simple malaise Aug 2015 #27
I find the sentiment disgusting. joshcryer Aug 2015 #34
Mr. Carter's life has not been tragically cut short jberryhill Aug 2015 #36
Please post the data on the numbers of living humans who are 120 years old? n/t malaise Aug 2015 #39
I'm with Mal... catnhatnh Aug 2015 #8
And we will all face it malaise Aug 2015 #10
TY N/T catnhatnh Aug 2015 #11
He had a pretty amazing life.... Adrahil Aug 2015 #23
I lost my youngest sister 10 years ago malaise Aug 2015 #24
My deepest sympathies..... Adrahil Aug 2015 #25
He HAS an amazing life. cwydro Aug 2015 #30
I doubt that he is unaware of the inevitability cancer that has of metastasized to the liver. Chemisse Aug 2015 #32
He has said he intends to deal with it, cwydro Aug 2015 #33
Sad news, but he's pretty much done, I'm afraid. Adrahil Aug 2015 #37
God Bless otherone Aug 2015 #35
A heroic American...battled and beat a runaway nuclear reactor... Octafish Aug 2015 #41
We should send this to the chickenhawks like Cheney Jeb and Dumbya malaise Aug 2015 #48
.. Liberal_in_LA Aug 2015 #46

malaise

(269,087 posts)
1. Let's be honest - yes cancer is an awful disease but
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:33 PM
Aug 2015

he's had 90 meaningful years. I just wish him peace and no pain.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
2. That wish should go into your hat. None of it is painless. And it has traveled.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:35 PM
Aug 2015

He is a great man.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
4. I love Jimmy Carter and he is a great human being
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:40 PM
Aug 2015

I know it has traveled and at his age it is horrific news.
Yes it's a hopeful wish

malaise

(269,087 posts)
5. That's life
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:45 PM
Aug 2015

I am one of Jimmy Carter's biggest fans on this MB for close to 11 years.
What he has given to humanity for 90 years cannot be easily measured.
The harsh truth is that we are all going to die and I hope I can be as healthy as he was for 90 years. That's my only point.
The husband of one of our closest friends literally fell on his face stone cold dead at 59 from a heart attack - he didn't even have a few seconds to attempt to stop that drop.
I wish Jimmy Carter peace and no pain - sure it's probably not possible.

Sometimes I think that cultural differences lead to different interpretations. Peace.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
12. I totally understand what you mean.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:06 PM
Aug 2015

I watched my boss die one morning, dropped like a stone to the asphalt right in front of me, dead before he hit the ground. A shocking and sudden end that still haunts his family.

Moments to reflect, to say goodbye, to give others time to thank you for your life and for what you've given them -- I hope to have those things when my time comes.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
16. Happened three Sundays ago
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:44 PM
Aug 2015

We're still in shock. I have mixed feelings - for those I leave behind I'd like those things - for me - in my sleep is my dream - either way I do not intend to do the horrific pain and suffering.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
22. Be careful what you wish for
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:59 AM
Aug 2015

Drop me like the stone.

Time to reflect is time to lie in terror that ativan cannot ever really take away. Time to give others to thank you is time to watch them watching you slip away, time to watch them feel helpless to rescue you when you cannot be saved. Time to ponder the mundane failures of the organic machine you are trapped within.

Drop me like the stone.

Your boss, in that moment at least, I would call fortunate.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
28. "Time to reflect is time to lie in terror"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:33 AM
Aug 2015

Of what?

You have the time to do that when you are perfectly healthy too.

One of the reasons why religion gets a hold on people is that "terror of death".

I don't want to die, but I'm certain I will. It may happen any minute for any number of reasons.

Coming to peace with that obvious and unavoidable fact is something that can be done, even if one doesn't have a terminal disease of some kind.

I mean, one might as well reflect in terror that it could happen today, tomorrow, or next week.

Fear of death is a terrible way to live, sick or not.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
38. Excellent post
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:32 PM
Aug 2015

Fear of death is a terrible way to live, sick or not.

It's like you mustn't mention the possibility of dying for fear of the obvious - we will all die.

1939

(1,683 posts)
14. My son-in-law who is a P.A.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:11 PM
Aug 2015

Always tells me that the only people who don't get cancer are those who die first from something else. Thanks a lot, son-in-law, as I am 76. Malaise is right on this one. While we may not be happy to lose President Carter, in some way or another, he is going to go.

vankuria

(904 posts)
42. Not always so
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

My mom and dad both lived into their 90's and neither died from cancer. Also had 2 aunts one was 99 and the other was 101, neither died from cancer. I'm hoping those good genes get passed down.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
15. I'm with you.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:12 PM
Aug 2015

I lost my mom to cancer over a year. And my brother last year at 51 to a sudden heart attack.

The heart attack was/still is beyond awful.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
43. Ok I misinterpreted your post in the
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:57 PM
Aug 2015

heat of the moment - thought it meant: he's old already who cares. I don't know you and I apologize.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. Why not?
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:48 PM
Aug 2015

malaise has always been a Carter fan, she acknowledged his contributions and wished him no pain.
A fine tribute by Malaise, and one that I echo.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
13. ok i'm outvoted but I'll explain
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:08 PM
Aug 2015

but not now my brain's fried. i'm probably wrong but it wouldn't be the first or last time.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
44. I know reality believe me -
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

lots of death in my family. I misinterpreted Malaise's post and I apologize. It's just that with all the evil asshats who think they can be president.... we need a lot more like Jimmy Carter.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. While some would find that cold
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:27 AM
Aug 2015

I agree with your sentiment.

People are really weird about mortality. Most of us posting here are not going to live to 90.

That doesn't make anyone's passing somehow less sad, but it is the one thing we all know for certain we are going to do.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
27. The philosophical truth that guides my life is simple
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:31 AM
Aug 2015

Everything that lives will die. Not accepting that fact does not change it.

You are 100% correct - people are really weird about mortality.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
34. I find the sentiment disgusting.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:13 AM
Aug 2015

Carter could, theoretically, live another 30 years.

Are we so out of touch with how much time that is? That's literally 3/4ths of my life.

Have we simply accepted ageist philosophy?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. Mr. Carter's life has not been tragically cut short
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:36 AM
Aug 2015

He has been diagnosed with metastatic liver cancer.

I hope he finds joy and love in his last days.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
8. I'm with Mal...
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 08:57 PM
Aug 2015

...That's a great wish. It is the wish I'm making tonight for my younger brother who also has metastasizing stage IV. Tomorrow I will sign his hospice papers so they can more closely control his pain and honor his end of life wishes. Maybe we should work harder to accept death as something to be faced rather than avoided.

malaise

(269,087 posts)
10. And we will all face it
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

Sure a few lucky ones may die in their sleep or on the operating table, but those are the rare ones.

Hug your brother - we lost our youngest sister to cancer ten years ago.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
23. He had a pretty amazing life....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:57 AM
Aug 2015

I hope he can have a dignified end with as little pain as possible. I lost my Dad to cancer when he was 71. That was 15 years ago... Still hurts.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
30. He HAS an amazing life.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:44 AM
Aug 2015

He's still living it.

Most everyone on this thread has him in the grave already.

I'm glad he most likely doesn't read DU.

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
32. I doubt that he is unaware of the inevitability cancer that has of metastasized to the liver.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:56 AM
Aug 2015

He has lived a great life and made a mark on this world. Now it is time to pass on. Hopefully he is ready to move on, and does so peacefully and with minimal pain.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
33. He has said he intends to deal with it,
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:09 AM
Aug 2015

and continue his work.

He may succeed, and he may not, but I won't bury him before he's dead.

It will be time to pass on when it is. And not before.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
37. Sad news, but he's pretty much done, I'm afraid.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:17 PM
Aug 2015

He has the same diagnosis my Dad had (who died within 4 months), and the mortality rate is very high. I wish him the best of luck.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. A heroic American...battled and beat a runaway nuclear reactor...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:44 PM
Aug 2015

A very brave officer of the United States Navy, Lt. James Earle Carter, Jr., personally led the effort to shut down a reactor in meltdown.



Jimmy Carter and Fukushima

Apr 2nd 2011, 11:42 by K.N.C. | TOKYO
The Economist

EXCERPT...

The fear and danger is beyond comprehension for most people, and in particular the political leaders who must order men in to danger. But interestingly, it is not unfamiliar to former American president Jimmy Carter. Nearly half a century ago, as a young naval officer, he led a 23-man team to dismantle a reactor that, like Fukushima, had partially melted down.

The reactor in Chalk River, Canada, about 180 kilometres (110 miles) from Ottawa, was used to enrich plutonium for America's atomic bombs. On December 12th 1952 it exploded, flooding the reactor building’s basement with millions of litres of radioactive water. Lieutenant Carter, a nuclear specialist on the Seawolf submarine programme, and his men were among the few people with the security clearance to enter a reactor. From Schenectady, New York, they rode the train up and got straight to work.

"The radiation intensity meant that each person could spend only about ninety seconds at the hot core location," wrote Mr Carter in "Why Not the Best?", an autobiography published in 1975 when he was campaigning for the presidency.

The team built an exact replica of the reactor on a nearby tennis court, and had cameras monitor the actual damage in the reactor's core. "When it was our time to work, a team of three of us practised several times on the mock-up, to be sure we had the correct tools and knew exactly how to use them. Finally, outfitted with white protective clothes, we descended into the reactor and worked frantically for our allotted time," he wrote. "Each time our men managed to remove a bolt or fitting from the core, the equivalent piece was removed on the mock-up."

SNIP...

In 2008, when Mr Carter was 83, he was asked if he had been scared. The former president grew quiet and, speaking very deliberately, replied: "We were fairly well instructed then on what nuclear power was, but for about six months after that I had radioactivity in my urine. They let us get probably a thousand times more radiation than they would now. It was in the early stages and they didn't know." The account, from Arthur Milnes, a journalist and historian at Queen's University in Canada, appears in a book published last month, "Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter: A Canadian Tribute" (McGill-Queen's University Press, 2011). "I learned the dangers," said Mr Carter.

People close to Mr Carter credit his Chalk River experience for his decision not to develop a neutron bomb and to restrict plutonium enrichment to prevent nuclear proliferation. And it is considered one of the principal reasons he took quick, precautionary actions during the Three Mile Island reactor crisis, which occurred two years into his presidency. As for the Chalk River disaster itself, some of today's reactor safety features came out of the incident, such as a system for independent, fast shutdowns that is separate from the regular reactor controls.

CONTINUED...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2011/04/japans_nuclear_clean-up

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