it's really fucking simple

[cali]

No human being should ever demand that another human being bow down to them. Ever.

It's a demand that has but one meaning and one intent: to debase and degrade another human being, to strip a human of his or her dignity.

That it's coming from black women activists is both sad and profoundly ironic.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. But publicity.

[Zorra]

2. So true, very good point, cali. nt

[cali]

6. thanks. it's about as basic as it gets. a fundamental principle that everyone should agree with.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. Maybe it's just me but the only ones defending this are this who support the candidate

NOT being targeted for harassment. And maybe it's still just me but that smells more of cynical opportunism than any genuine concern for those being murdered by an out-of-control police state.

[cali]

11. it's not just you, but thankfully many Clinton supporter do not think this was ok

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. That I can respect.

[Ed Suspicious]

24. Just like their sudden residency in the AA forum. Cynical opportunism.

Suddenly, there has never been a greater friend to AAs than Hillary supporters. I call bullshit.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. You sound suspicious, Ed.

[Ed Suspicious]

30. You might say that.

[Ed Suspicious]

33. The fact that it is essentially another protected Hillary Clinton safehaven makes me extra suspish.

There is at least one host in there who will hear nothing from Bernie supporters. He has a very nearly hair-trigger instaban.

[BillZBubb]

36. I just got banned from the AA forum.

I objected to a defense of the BLM disruptors in a post calling white liberals the real enemy. That's a no-no in that forum. Crazy times!

[Ed Suspicious]

37. I also got banned just a few minutes ago. Somebody was talking about how bad the Bernie group is.

I defended it. I also mentioned that the host ran a very tight ship. I called him a king. Apparently that was over the line. I'm fine with it. The toxic atmosphere was distracting me from fighting good fights. It had me fighting ridiculous fights instead.

[Comrade Grumpy]

80. I'm not a fan of this protected groups thing.

They seem to be essentially safe havens where people can kvetch and moan about how persecuted they are by the rest of DU. And then, they get to get their jollies slagging on their foes without any fear of being challenged as all their groupthink buddies cheer each other on.

There was a post in AA yesterday, an "Open Letter to Progressives," or some such shit, basically calling out whitie. If the author had the least interest in actually discussing issues, she would have posted it where it could be critically discussed. Instead, it's just another call-out where the people being called out can't respond--or the ban hammer drops. And meanwhile, all the back-patters in the protected group can tell each other how brave they are.

I'm slagging on AA in this particular instance, but this applies to pretty much all the protected groups I've ever looked at. They all foster an "us against the world" mentality. I think DU should abolish them.

[Ed Suspicious]

91. I could not agree more. I hate them.

If they come in slagging on Bernie, I don't want them banned. I want to air out their specious arguments for all the world to see.

[rhett o rick]

124. Those that don't have decent argument to support their positions rely on ridicule and banning.

Not very progressive.

[Moostache]

105. I'm sold...nothing disinfects like sunshine.

I oppose all efforts to hide things and keep secrets in discussion forums.

I WANT people to openly express their feelings and thoughts.
I WANT to debate the merits of different approaches and ideas.
I WANT free and open exchanges where someone's feelings might get bruised but their mind might also be changed or their soul may be challenged and a truly different viewpoint or paradigm (as much as I hate that word) opr person can be formed.

Discourse with limits is farce.

[passiveporcupine]

120. I have to agree with you

I would be OK with the Bernie group being closed too, because we can still say everything we want in other forums. We may just have to deal with some opposition. And there is a great tool called "ignore". I used it for the first time yesterday. I hope it was the last time, but it's good to know it's there. It lets you stop stalkers in their tracks.

[rhett o rick]

126. I like the idea of them. Let them have their group hate sessions. If you want to know what they

are really about, look in the group. One is free to compare the Sanders group with the Hillary Group or the new AA Group.

[merrily]

137. I am. I like having a place where I can speak my mind or get silly or whatever, without

fighting over every syllable. There are lots of places like that on the board, but only two where I can be relatively sure I can post without snark or shitstorms.

I really don't see a problem with having both kinds of places on the same board.

If it frustrates you that you cannot respond in AA or the Hillary Group, don't read what's in there. If you don't like a protected Sanders Group or Populist Group, don't post in it.

If you don't want the option of posting without shitstorms, fine. Leave the protected groups to those of us who enjoy them.

We're all adults. We should be able to deal with boundaries.

[bvar22]

148. What are you trying to do?

Break up the two minutes of Hate?

[awoke_in_2003]

173. Groups like LGBT, African Americans,

Atheists, etc, need a place to go that is a safe haven. There shouldn't be a candidate group, IMO- they just foster cult of personality.

[BeanMusical]

88. Interesting and ironic.

That's what Bernie and the evil Left are being accused of doing.

[sabrina 1]

101. I was looking for them a year ago when we were trying to keep the Ferguson

protests in the news. Sad thing was, there was not much interest to the point where one of the people who was bringing us the coverage every day, finally said 'goodbye' to DU, angry that there was little interest in Black lives being brutalized by cops and the NG in Ferguson at that time. He was asked to please stay, but sadly, he did not and there was even less coverage of Ferguson.

This is about the level of interest back then.http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025872401#post11

I suppose it's a good thing they have finally discovered the issue even if it took so long.

[BeanMusical]

182. Well, like their idol they suddenly "evolve" when it's convenient.

[artislife]

177. This

I just arrived here less than two months ago...and now I am checking people's recs from April because there seem to be a lot of Rachel Dozezals on the board.

I didn't know...I have been confused by two posters. And I could have sworn...

[aspirant]

3. Equality for all

[geek tragedy]

4. Yeah, that was the real 'tell' that this was nut-ivism not activism nt

[NuclearDem]

5. ...

[jalan48]

21. OMG-for us Ducks this blasphemy!

[zeemike]

34. Now that's just plain creepy to me.

But I was never a football fan and that is part of the reason.

[hfojvt]

138. I like this one better

It's what I was thinking of when I protested Bush's visit to Manhattan, Kansas with a simple sign that just said "boo". (also I happened to have saved a sign that said that, from a play)

[SusanCalvin]

7. I don't agree with telling anyone

(except maybe an actual king, queen, emperor, or tyrant) to bow down. I find that hash tag very unfortunate.

[cali]

8. it was not just a hash tag. it was the name of the action. And it was what they demanded of him.

[SusanCalvin]

13. Even leaving my objection aside,

He did not have any option to do that (figuratively or literally), even had he inexplicably wanted to.

Asking for an impossibly doesn't strike me as a good idea if you really want what you say you want.

I'm not currently planning to criticize anything else, but I find that hashtag impossible to comprehend in any way, shape, or form. And I wouldn't no matter to whom it was directed.

[glinda]

67. It called for "bullying". Not good. So where is the Gov. Security on this since he is

a high profile Senator?

[notadmblnd]

9. One also can't demand to be treated with dignity and respect and give it to one one in return

Chris Hayes has a segment coming up on the events in Ferguson last night. Apparently there were shootings. I did see a short blurb where he said today, there were some very prominent members of BLM who had been arrested (not in regards to shooting) for involvement in shutting down a freeway. However, the police chief made the statement that there is a small group of people who want to instigate and do nothing but cause trouble. Can't help but wonder who that small group is.

[NuclearDem]

14. I'm also not too fond of using "We stand together"

to tell people to sit down and shut up.

Some Orwellian bullshit right there.

[SusanCalvin]

19. Good point. nt

[haikugal]

35. More Orwellian than having people demand that someone bow down?

Given that their intent is to destroy Bernie Sanders as an example of liberal racism? Liberal racism, a right wing meme. Do they also believe Planned Parenthood is working to destroy AA families? Are these people actually working toward a solution? Are they religious fundamentalists with all the attending twisted beliefs? I don't know. I don't know because they haven't said. At the same time they do speak on the web.

Saying "We all stand together" is a message of inclusion, and solidarity, because we all do stand together. We either stand together or we fail. I don't see these particular people as being interested in working together to find the solutions or they wouldn't have chosen Bernie Sanders as their target. They have done nothing to reach out and their actions and words are authoritarian.

This stinks of dirty tricks. It isn't honest or forthright.

Saying "We all stand together" is a true statement in my view, not Orwellian at all.

They were given the microphone both times can you tell me what the message was and how it furthered their cause? They weren't abused, roughed up, or arrested but they wanted Bernie to debase himself for his guilt as a liberal racist. How twisted is that?

I'll work toward racial equality, but I don't see a bright future for BLM if this past weekend is an example of their 'good works'. I see neighborhoods burning, riots, and everyone suffering. Who would want that? The money men, the oligarchs, the ones we are trying to get rid of.

If we don't come together in solidarity we will fail.

[Babel_17]

42. If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything

People who support Sanders have nothing to feel bad about regarding how he's been handling things. His platform is a great platform for all.

That's the ideal of the Democratic Party, to keep improving and to have an inclusive platform that's good for everybody, and especially those who are most at risk.

"We all stand together" for that.

[haikugal]

44. Thank You...

[dreamnightwind]

45. +1

[ljm2002]

38. How many disruptors must be allowed to speak?

And for how long? Are the people at a political rally allowed to have their rally at all? Or must they bow down to the demands of any and all protesters? Just who is being Orwellian here anyway?

[CharlotteVale]

15. I agree. That is just vile.

[Old Crow]

16. 100% ... and thank you for saying what needs to be said. (N/T)

[cali]

17. thank you.

[bvf]

18. Absolutely. Fucking absolutely.

It's sad that this even has to be said.

[cantbeserious]

20. Yeah Verily

eom

[Duppers]

22. Profoundly ironic indeed

Your post is the essence of democratic thought.

[Bubzer]

167. Love that all inclusive E

[punguin54]

23. It will only get worse.

it should be obvious by now that the military industrial complex is getting nervous about Bernie. This is an incredibly powerful machine backed by billions and billions of dollars in the hands of a few people who do not give a rats ass about the people who work for them. anyone who is not wealthy right now should ask themselves seriously, Why should I support candidates that are trying to keep the rich getting richer, while the poor....well you know..

[restorefreedom]

31. yes. nt

[riderinthestorm]

25. K&R & a small sob nt

[cali]

26. I know just what you mean

[UTUSN]

27. Not to mention fellow DUers. n/t

[onyourleft]

29. Thank you, cali. n/t

[restorefreedom]

32. k and r

[840high]

39. k/r

[Babel_17]

40. It's not offensive because

Well, ok, maybe it's inevitably going to be taken as offensive but that's alright. It's a great ice breaker for getting a dialogue going with Sanders and his supporters.

See, they say bow down and now you reply with something equally witty and ... oh wait, it doesn't work that way? There's now a huge problem?

Never mind.

[cali]

41. word saladish.

[Babel_17]

43. Sorry, it was supposed to be ironical

[rhett o rick]

127. I got it. nm

[Babel_17]

133. Thanks! nt

[dreamnightwind]

46. Proud to be rec #100 - eom

[pnwmom]

47. Their hashtag is outrageous. I wish he had stood up to them and asked the event organizers

to have the police remove them. The police had offered to do that but Bernie said no, choosing to leave the stage himself instead. So all those people who came to see him were now angry at the three black people on the stage, people who were only representing themselves but pretending to speak for Black Lives Matter.

What a shame.

[daredtowork]

48. Well

Patrisse Cullors came out in support of them and says no apology petition comes from BLM.

Alicia Garza actually uses "white supremacist liberals" in her essays.

The Portland BLM movement supported Seattle BLM when they were asked for their opinion in advance of Bernie's visit.

Even if Marissa Jenae also belonged to that Outliers group I don't think Bernie supporters (of whom I am a strong one) can shrug them off as "not being representative of BLM. They are the leaders of BLM in Seattle. We have to accept they still are and that BLM is not a support group for Democratic politics. Some BLM members are strong supporters of Bernie, but others are strong supporters of Hillary. Some are outright anarchists. The BLM movement is not driven by party politics. They have a goal-driven agenda. Continuing to think of them through the prism of our own party politics will only lead to future misunderstandings.

Glad to see Bernie working with BLM now!

[pnwmom]

49. Whoever they were, he shouldn't have abandoned the stage and all the people

who came to hear him speak, leaving the audience angry with three black disrupters.

Once he gave them time to make their point and have their minutes of silence -- which he did -- he should've accepted the police offer to have them removed.

That audience didn't come to see Rep. Smith, or the City council member, or the folk singer. They came to see Bernie, and they left angry with the people from Black Lives Matter, because they had to stand out in the hot sun for all that time and STILL didn't get to hear Bernie. Is that really what Bernie wanted?

OTOH, I thought it was great that he opened his LA rally with Black Lives Matter. He's showing some flexibility now that gives me hope he could go the distance as a national candidate.

Our field, small as it is, is infinitely superior to the other party's.

[daredtowork]

50. We totally agree on that

I think Bernie should be more structured in his event handling from now on. I do like, however, that he is actually factoring BLM reps into it (in a planned way).

I do think it's important to understand the BLM movement, though - even the parts we have some gut reaction against. I wonder what people would do if there was a BLM-led coup that took over all local governments tomorrow. Suddenly our status quo would be very shaken! It's important to listen, especially when the voice leads off with "J'Accuse..."

[MADem]

51. He didn't open his LA rally w/BLM. His press secretary, newly hired from Ralph Nader's Public

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 08:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Citizen, opened it, and also told everyone to respond to disruptors with a chant of We Stand Together.

The new hire supports BLM goals, but is not a BLM member. Earlier reports were erroneous.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/509db906ed764b6a82a087165109bead/sanders-lets-civil-rights-activists-open-la-campaign-event

The headlines and body of this story have been corrected to show that representatives from Black Lives Matter did not open Sanders' rally in Los Angeles; it was a member of Sanders' campaign who spoke in support of the group.

[azurnoir]

53. where did you get the info on Symone Sanders working for Nader can you link it up for us?

Symone Sanders, who grew up in Omaha, attended Sacred Heart and graduated from Creighton University in May 2013, worked as community outreach manager for the Empowerment Network in Omaha. She is national youth chairwoman and a member of the Coalition on Juvenile Justice, a national nonprofit that focuses on effective and age-appropriate care of youth in the justice system.

She worked on Nebraska Democrat Chuck Hassebrook’s campaign for governor in 2014 and was a member of Omaha’s charter review convention committee in 2013.

In 2006, while a student at Mercy High School, she was selected to introduce former President Bill Clinton at a Girls Inc. event in Omaha. Sanders recalled the honor in 2012, telling The World-Herald that she wanted the job so badly that she begged, pushed and wrote her way onto the stage. She ended up being written into Clinton’s book on giving, and she caught the eye of a law firm, which gave her summer internships.

She spent August 2012 — the summer before her graduation from Creighton — in Beijing for a business and public relations internship.

http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/creighton-graduate-joins-bernie-sanders-campaign/article_79e9e82c-3e4e-11e5-af54-b3ccb43656af.html

[MADem]

54. It's the top item in her resume at LINKED IN.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/symonesanders

Summary
Symone D. Sanders currently works as the Communications Officer for Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch, where she manages a significant new media strategy for the organizations grassroots, national and international campaigns. Sanders has a varied communications background that includes political communications, African-American male achievement and empowerment. Sanders is also committed to being civically engaged currently serving on the Federal Advisory Committee for Juvenile Justice, as Chair of the National Coalition for Juvenile Justice's Youth Committee and as a Delegate for the White House Young America Series.
Experience
Communications Officer
Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch
November 2014 – Present (10 months)Washington D.C. Metro Area
As the Communications Officer, I work to expand Global Trade Watch's impact by developing and implementing a significant new media strategy for our grassroots, national and international campaigns while maintaining an aggressive press shop. I specialize in rapid response crisis communication and I work extensively with communications staff of allied organizations in the U.S. and abroad. Additionally I am responsible for drafting policy statements, press releases, briefs, op-eds and talking points.

Your article is "censored." Maybe Omaha doesn't like Ralph Nader, or something?

[azurnoir]

58. your title line claim was that she worked for Ralph Nader which she did not

Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch disassociated itself from Nader in 2001

Disassociation from Ralph Nader[edit]
In the aftermath of Ralph Nader's role in the 2000 presidential election, Public Citizen disassociated itself from its founder. Wrote Mother Jones, "For evidence of how rank-and-file liberals have turned against Nader, one need look no further than the empire he created. Public Citizen, the organization (Nader) founded in 1971, has a new fundraising problem–its founder. After the election, contributions dropped... When people inquire about Nader's relationship to the organization, Public Citizen sends out a letter that begins with a startling new disclaimer: 'Although Ralph Nader was our founder, he has not held an official position in the organization since 1980 and does not serve on the board. Public Citizen–and the other groups that Mr. Nader founded–act independently.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Citizen#Disassociation_from_Ralph_Nader

[MADem]

59. He founded the joint. It's still recognized as "Ralph Nader's Public Citizen."

In fact, they make more hay lately out of that founding association than they did in the past lately, because Ralph has (apparently) stopped running for president.

Ralph is an old man. He's 81. He's slowed down in recent years.

PC aren't running from him--they haven't scrubbed him from their site, and he's still listed as founder. His close associate Joan Claybrook is still on the board, so he doesn't have to be.

That quote you cited is from a Mother Jones article written 14 years ago.

[azurnoir]

63. Really? Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch disassociated itself with Nader 14 years ago

and the article was from when they broke with Nader, if this was an attempt at guilt by association it was a decade and half too late

[MADem]

64. He's still listed as their founder on all their documents, and his "associate" sits on the board.

It's his baby, and it will be his baby until he dies.

[azurnoir]

65. I do entirely understand your need to associate Symone Sanders with Ralph Nader

but it is also fact that the organization did indeed disassociate it self from Nader

[MADem]

68. That's why his name is still on all their documents as founder, and that's why his long-term

associate remains on the board.

[azurnoir]

69. maybe because he was the founder but has not had any actual role since 2000 or 2001?

but whatever suits your need and you edited your original headline claiming Symone Sanders worked for Nader

if as you claim his name is still on their documents

[MADem]

70. His "associate" has maintained an active role.

You do know that Ralph lives in a mansion that doesn't have his name on the deed?

He keeps a hand in.

[azurnoir]

71. Do you have any proof that Nader still takes an active role in Public Citizen's Global Trade Watch?

I provided a link can you do the same?

[MADem]

74. He is incapable of "letting go." He is an 81 year old man who doesn't have the

clout he used to have, but he still finds ways to influence events--usually through surrogates.

That's what I was telling you when I said he lives in a mansion with someone else's name on the deed (and he actually does do that, too).

When this generation's Kitty Kelley writes his expose, we will get the full scope, I should imagine.

[azurnoir]

76. see post #72 I'll link it for you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7066304

[MADem]

79. That's nice. I don't think they're inclined to genuflect, but that doesn't mean anything.

He's the founder of that organization, and his associates still pepper the board.

[azurnoir]

72. They're supposedly still so cozy with Nader but yet don't mention him on their about us page

About Us

Corporations have their lobbyists in Washington, D.C. The people need advocates too.

Public Citizen serves as the people’s voice in the nation’s capital. Since our founding in 1971, we have delved into an array of areas, but our work on each issue shares an overarching goal: To ensure that all citizens are represented in the halls of power.

For four decades, we have proudly championed citizen interests before Congress, the executive branch agencies and the courts. We have successfully challenged the abusive practices of the pharmaceutical, nuclear and automobile industries, and many others. We are leading the charge against undemocratic trade agreements that advance the interests of mega-corporations at the expense of citizens worldwide.

As the federal government wrestles with critical issues – fallout from the global economic crisis, health care reform, climate change and so much more – Public Citizen is needed now more than ever. We are the countervailing force to corporate power. We fight on behalf of all Americans – to make sure your government works for you.

We have five policy groups: our Congress Watch division, the Energy Program, Global Trade Watch, the Health Research Group and our Litigation Group. Learn more about them here.

http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=2306

[MADem]

90. COZY is your word. He still has influence, and he does it through the board.

I also notice that the President and Board of Directors isn't on that page, either--so your big old quote proves pretty much nothing.

[Fast Walker 52]

73. and a real Dem can never be associated with Ralph Nader in any, however distant, way?

Is that what you are implying?

[MADem]

143. No--YOU'RE the one doing the implying, in post 73, in fact!

Don't take offense when none is intended.

[Fast Walker 52]

192. I wasn't offended, but you're the one who brought it up over and over

So I was wondering why

[MADem]

202. There's nothing wrong with facts. They are not our enemy.

If it's in the news, why be skittish about reporting it?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-campaign-adds-young-black-woman-as-new-public#.hb05Rjqj8

SEATTLE — Hours after Black Lives Matter protesters shut down a Bernie Sanders rally here, the Vermont senator’s populist Democratic presidential campaign once again attempted to cast Sanders as the candidate of a modern civil rights movement.
Before a crowd of more than 12,000 at the Alaska Airlines Arena on the campus of the University Of Washington, a new public face for the Sanders campaign appeared. Symone Sanders, a volunteer organizer with the D.C.-based Coalition for Juvenile Justice, was announced as the new national press secretary of Sanders’ campaign and was tasked with introducing the 73-year-old senator.
Symone Sanders is a young, black criminal justice advocate and supporter of the Black Lives Matter movement. She’s also a progressive political activist right out of the Sanders mold: Her last job was at Ralph Nader’s Public Citizen. In an interview, Symone Sanders said she first connected with the senator about three weeks ago, offering him advice on how to better understand the message of Black Lives Matter activists in an hourlong chat.
“One of my suggestions, he took it and ran with it on Meet the Press, is that racial inequality and economic inequality are parallel issues,” she said. “I [told him,] you know, economic equality is an issue. It’s something we need to address. But for some people it doesn’t matter how much money you make, it doesn’t matter where you went to school, it doesn’t matter what your parents do. It doesn’t matter that Sandra Bland had a job and was on her way to teach for her alma mater. It doesn’t matter. None of that matters.”
Bernie Sanders took to the advice, Symone Sanders said. She also confronted him with one of the criticisms he faced earlier in the summer..... more at link.....

[artislife]

178. Gosh, you have a lot of patience.

[beam me up scottie]

198. +1 brazillion!

You have his number, azurnoir!

[rhett o rick]

135. How sad to have to try to smear Sen Sanders using the Nader name.

The organization is a good organization. Actually Ralph Nader did a lot of good things, but they were progressive and the conservatives hate him.

[MADem]

142. Public Citizen was one of the best things Nader ever did. It has a fine reputation, even

if Nader's ill-advised runs for the presidency stained his name on the political front.

I don't think anyone would look askance at Nader's record for consumer advocacy. They might roll their eyes at his quixotic political campaigns, and even shake their heads at his false affectations of poverty, but he did -- and still does -- know his stuff on the consumer front.

Public Citizen is on the barricades against Citizens United--it's one of their most important portfolios, IMO.

Not sure why you're 'sad.' Quick to take offense?

[jeff47]

75. Great! We'll go back to talking about Goldwater Girl.

If one can never actually disassociate from a group, then Clinton will always be Goldwater Girl. Look how devious she is pretending to disassociate from it!!

Alternatively, you could stop being a hypocrite.

Oh, who am I kidding. Off to go find some stock pictures of Goldwater buttons.

[MADem]

78. He doesn't want to disassociate--there's a difference.

Clinton doesn't say she's a Republican, any more than Sanders says he's a writer of really skeevy fiction.

Nader likes to insinuate an ongoing relationship with all of the agencies he has founded. Public Citizen does good work--it's one of his legacy projects.

He'd have done well to just stick with that, rather than stir the pot politically.

[jeff47]

81. And Goldwater, if he were still alive, would not want to disassociate from Clinton.

Just because one side wants to keep the relationship going does not mean the relationship continues.

[MADem]

82. But Sanders' writings live on--should we bring those up, so long as we're following your absurd

model?

The relationship does continue--it's informal, but it goes on like Celine Dion's heart.

[jeff47]

84. It's your model, not mine.

I think it's dumb. But it's the rules you want to play by....except when it's your candidate.

The relationship does continue--it's informal, but it goes on like Celine Dion's heart.

No, it ends with a restraining order to stop the stalking.

[MADem]

85. No--it's yours.

Clinton is a Democrat, and she was never a Republican--she wasn't old enough to vote when she campaigned for her father's favorite. That's what's dumb--that you would try to pretend otherwise.

[jeff47]

87. Pssst...who started the claim that past associations are forever?

It wasn't me.

Clinton is a Democrat, and she was never a Republican--she wasn't old enough to vote when she campaigned for her father's favorite.

Then it really sucks that past associations are forever, doesn't it?

Then perhaps we shouldn't pretend past associations are forever. Even when those past associations hurt your enemy.

[MADem]

89. Only counts if they are actual associations. A teenager doing what her daddy might like is not

an association--that child was never a registered Republican, and you know it....unless you want to claim that dabbling in bad fiction makes a certain VT politician a soft-porn author?

See how that works?

[jeff47]

98. It was an actual association.

Even if she only did it to please daddy, it was an actual association. She even confirmed it. And associations are forever under your rules.

unless you want to claim that dabbling in bad fiction makes a certain VT politician a soft-porn author?

Again, these are your rules. I'm pointing out the effects of applying your rules. If you do not like the effects on your favored candidate, perhaps your rules are not a good idea.

[MADem]

100. No -- it wasn't. And repetition isn't going to change that.

She was a teen, unable to vote, unable to REGISTER to vote.

I'm not advocating bringing in the porn fiction, unless you want to pretend that the SECSTATE is a Republican.

You're the one who created this false structure, and I'm pointing it out.

My candidate is doing just fine, as are her supporters. Would that all candidates could say as much, particularly with regard to their over-eager/doing-them-no-favors "fans."

[beerandjesus]

144. I subscribed to The Nation when I was 17.

Memories.....

[artislife]

179. *chortle nt

[Marr]

180. Yeah, the difference is one makes a nice cudgel for you, and one does not. /nt

[MADem]

181. I don't think there are any useful cudgels here. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

83. Put Lee Atwater's suit back in the closet.

[MADem]

86. What a hateful comment. nt

[BeanMusical]

95. Lol!

Poor sensitive and innocent you being bullied by those hateful haters.

[MADem]

97. And there's another one. nt

[BeanMusical]

102. In fact...

I just laugh at the irony of you playing the victim since you're one of the worst bully on this board. Have you alerted yet?

[MADem]

104. ...and the hits just keep on coming!

Can't help yourself, can you?

[BeanMusical]

108. "Can't help yourself, can you?"

Strange, I was going to ask you the same question. I'll let you have the last word since it's so important to you.

Good bye now!

[MADem]

112. I've got a little song for you, since you relentlessly follow me around from thread to thread....

Everywhere I go, there you are!

[BeanMusical]

185. Can you link to all these many many threads where I've been following you around today?

My memory is not what it used to be and I don't have access to the advanced search feature. Oh wait, according to the My Posts tab the last time I replied to you in a different thread than this one was 9 days ago. How time flies! Nice song though.

[Marr]

203. They thought you weren't going to post again, so they figured

that was a Make One Free Bullshit Accusation card.

[BeanMusical]

208. Good point.

[MADem]

209. Not today, but anyone with a mind can look through the archives and see how you follow me around. nt

[BeanMusical]

210. I love you too.

[Lisa D]

106. Disgusting insult.

But sadly, not surprising.

You should self-delete that post.

[beam me up scottie]

199. !

[cali]

52. that is a flat out false claim and you know it. he did not fucking abandon these stage.

The event host ended the event. And Bernie had another scheduled event that afternoon.

Continuing to parrot a false claim when you have been informed repeatedly of the facts, is disgraceful and says a lot about character. Not bernie's.

[daredtowork]

56. why are you snapping at Bernie supporters like that?

pnwmom is just expressing her frustration with what happened, which involved Bernie relinquishing stage time to those two women, however you want to phrase it. There is no need to go over-the-top about "false claims" and "character".

Perhaps you need to take some time to scope out where everyone falls along the political spectrum.

[frylock]

93. pnwmom is NOT a Sanders supporter in any sense..

she posts the same debunked bullshit over and over, despite being corrected on numerous occasions. Her post here is a prime example.

[BeanMusical]

103. +1000

[daredtowork]

115. She isn't?

If she isn't - my bad, I apologize. Since cali has also been after me, and I'm a strong Bernie supporter, I made that assumption.

I made that assumption of pnwmom for her strong stance on social issues. It surprises me she's not a Bernie supporter. Can't win all the good ones, I suppose, lol.

[pnwmom]

119. I'm on the fence, daredtowork. But because I have things I like and don't like

about each of the candidates -- and because in the beginning it seemed she had an overwhelming advantage organization-wise -- some in the Bernie camp automatically peg me as a Hillary person.

As I said, I think the Dems have some great people in the primary and I will support whoever is the nominee enthusiastically.

[daredtowork]

122. Thanks for clarifying!

I respect you a great deal for your social work and insights nonetheless!

[frylock]

140. I automatically peg you as a Hillary person because you don't post anything critical of her..

I'd be more than happy to retract that statement if you were to link to some posts showing otherwise.

[pnwmom]

153. I don't think I need to add to the 90% anti-Hillary posts here.

DUers are overwhelmingly supporting Bernie and many are attacking Hillary.

Since I still think there's a high chance she will be the nominee, I have defended her when I see unfair attacks -- like the slew of posts about the NYTimes eventually discredited email story.

I want whoever our candidate is in the end to be as strong as possible, and so none of them should be subject to unfair attacks. I have never said anything nasty about any of the candidates and don't intend to.

I'm not a hater or a true believer. Just someone who thinks our party is infinitely better than the other one and we shouldn't be tearing each other apart.

[frylock]

155. yes, you defend her against unfair attacks by continually misrepresenting PLCAA.

please.

[pnwmom]

156. Gun control is the major issue I have a problem with Bernie about, and I don't misrepresent the PLCA

For the record, I didn't support Hillary on her Iraq vote, either, and I have said so.

But I understand why she voted as she did and why he voted as he did. I don't expect any candidate to be perfectly aligned with my views.

[frylock]

157. Yet you focus your criticism on Sanders alone..

I challenged you earlier to PROVE that you aren't a Clinton supporter by providing evidence of that by showing even just ONE post from you being critical of her. You came back with some lame-ass excuses instead. Maybe you're fooling yourself, but I don't think a lot of people are buying into your position as a fence-sitter. Mineral Man tried pulling that same crap yesterday. It was laughable, at best.

[pnwmom]

158. Blah, blah, blah. I already explained that but you won't listen. Bye!

[frylock]

170. I look forward to your OP on how those mean Sanders supporters drove you to get behind Clinton..

it's all the rage, you know.

[Marr]

184. lol, no kidding. For some reason, there's a whole stable of

obvious Hillary supporters who are playing this weird game.

[beam me up scottie]

201. LOL!

I'm sure it'll be added to the others soon.

[cali]

130. where have I "been after you"? funny, seems to me that you've been chiding

me in thread after thread. And that's fine, but I think you've misinterpreted what I've said repeatedly. I'll strive for more clarity.but disagreeing with you is not going after you. In fact, you pretty clearly go after me in the post above and do so with limited knowledge of the germane situation

[daredtowork]

134. Your tone has been more attacking than disagreement

I'll confess to replying to you when I saw you treating pwnmom in a similar manner.

I bear no ill will and I recognize you as a strong Bernie supporter who means the best for him. I'm just trying to let you know how your posts come across. I don't think it's good for the cause of building good will among Bernie supporters.

Regarding my limited knowledge: I haven't heard the "bow down Bernie" part. Please look at my other posts on the history of "White Supremacists Liberals" and think of it in that context before blowing it up and turning it into a divisive thing that Hillary supporters can easily take advantage of.

[cali]

145. links please. forget it. sorry, I think this is silly.

But I will say the limited knowledge comment was solely regarding the history of my exchanges with pwnmom

[daredtowork]

190. I'm not sure I understood pwnmom correctly either

When she said Bernie shouldn't have left the stage, I thought she had just mistyped "shouldn't have *had* to have left the stage*. That was the nature of the conversation.

But, taking it literally, that's not what she said. I'd like to underscore that I don't think Bernie could have handled it any other way than he did. It sucked that this happened.

Peace.

[artislife]

189. ^^ this nt

[beam me up scottie]

200. ^^^THIS^^^

Negative thread after negative thread about Bernie and nary a discouraging word about Hillary.

But she's just trying to be fair.

[rhett o rick]

163. I agree with cali. The post was a total misrepresentation.

Here is the post, "Whoever they were, he shouldn't have abandoned the stage and all the people
who came to hear him speak, leaving the audience angry with three black disrupters."

Let me remind you that it wasn't his event. The people can to listen to speeches on Social Security. His event was later. He chose not to be involved in a fight and give the disrupters what they wanted. What would the Sanders haters be saying had the police beat up the protestors and dragged them from the stage? He got to give his message later. And " leaving the audience angry with three black disrupters." is what it should be.

How suspicious that supposedly BLM would choose to pick on the most liberal candidate and not on the Republicons or H. Clinton having tea with the 1% at $2,500 a cup. I don't buy it. Swiftboating continues.

[daredtowork]

186. I have been saying it was Hillary, too

I find Hillary's absence from Netroots Nation especially convenient - even if she's not causing events, she may have advantaged information that she can exploit.

However, after listening to Marissa's interview and watching the video with her City Council "performance", I also think that she could have decided to this even without Hillary's backing. She believes that white progressive Seattle oppresses African Americans, and she had a list of things to say about that. Grabbing the mic at the Bernie event gave her a National stage to say those things and to insert herself into a space that white people thought they were owning. In her mind she was "drinking white tears" in that take over, and the following brouhaha led to discussions about race. Furthermore, Bernie released a Criminal Justice Plan the day. Creating a scene with a bunch of screaming white people was a win for her.

Ps. looking at pwnmom's remark again, I agree with you. I thought pwnmom was awkwardly saying Bernie shouldn't have *had* to have stepped back. But it does look like she's saying he handled it incorrectly. I disagree with that.

[rhett o rick]

187. Thanks for the post. What I saw and I don't know that I saw it all, but I didn't see anyone

grab the mic. From what I saw is they didn't want the mic. I think they wanted to be dragged away by the police as martyrs.

[daredtowork]

188. I think both

they needed the mic for a while because they had that whole list of the Sins O' Seattle to get through. Meanwhile there's that woman in the audience screeching, "How DARE you call me a racist...!!!111!" LOL.

[MADem]

57. Both things can be true, you know.

You don't have to swear.

After the few minutes of silence, the protesters said they wanted to confront Sanders for failing to address their concerns when he was similarly interrupted at a town hall for liberal activists in Phoenix last month. Johnson beckoned Sanders to stand closer as she spoke — he refused.

The Westlake protesters would not let Sanders take the microphone, prompting rally organizer Robby Stern to say the event was over because the demonstrators were determined to stop it.

Sanders left the stage and walked through the crowd, greeting supporters, before leaving in a white Jeep for a fundraiser at the Comet Tavern on Capitol Hill.

“When we stand together, when black and white stand together, when gay and straight stand together, when women and men stand together,” Sanders told the cheering crowd, which paid $200 to $1,000 to get in, “when we stand together, there is nothing, nothing, that we cannot accomplish.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

[pnwmom]

116. The host ended the event BECAUSE Bernie abandoned the stage.

And Bernie was the one the audience had come to see -- not Rep. Adam Smith, or the Councilwoman, or the folk singer.

[JackInGreen]

60. I'm relatively certain

that would have been an imaging nightmare and capitalized massively on by any opponent either friend or foe.
The last thing we need is to have anyone, no matter how misguided, fighting a good fight (even if against the wrong person) being hauled off wriggling and struggling in the arms of the police. That's not 'YEAH! Justice DONE!' that's 'WTF are they doing with those poor young women, just more racism from the cops and the old white guy that called em in.'

[pnwmom]

121. Why? If he had given them their 10 minutes and then had them go? Disrupters are removed

all the time with barely any lasting attention.

But he really shouldn't bother speaking at events anymore where his people can't control access to the stage and the mic.

[hamsterjill]

77. I agree. He should not have abandoned the stage.

His "duty" was to the people who had come to see him and hear his message at a scheduled event, and in my opinion, those people have every right to be angry that they had to stand out in the hot sun and didn't get to hear Bernie. The event should not have been allowed to delve into chaos over a few disruptors.

By way of full disclosure, I am a Hillary supporter, but I also happen to like Bernie. I've made it clear in the past and will state it again here, that if Bernie is the nominee, I will be in line on the first day of early voting to vote for him. Because, just as you indicate, our field, small as it is, is INFINITELY superior to the other party's, and I understand that we need to stick together. Anyone whose motivation is to divide is not what we need.

[sabrina 1]

110. He handled it perfectly. He is far too intelligent a man to GIVE these, we know now,

right wing fundies what they came to get, a photo of three Black people being dragged away from a Sanders event. Certainly most of us got that this was what they wanted.

Instead he did what most who had the brains to see what this was really about, hand it all over to them, do not call security, and let the world see just who they were.

And we did, very quickly their game was exposed. Bernie has come out of this beautifully with many AAs stating publicly they do not want him to associate them with these three.

I cannot think of a better way he could have handled it. He DENIED them what they wanted most.

Kudos to him for his quick thinking.

He now has more AA supporters who are going to Social Media to tell him how much they respect him, and it has not only NOT affected him, it has caused those AAs who are supporters to become even more active in his campaign.

Bernie mingled with the crowd while they screamed and ranted and had to go to another event after that one, which was even bigger than any others up to that point.

Fantastic handling of Right Wing disrupters. DENY THEM WHAT THEY CAME FOR.

[Marr]

205. +1000

[blackspade]

55. Good point about not looking at BLM through...

A Democratic Party prism.
BLM needs to be courted just like any other issue driven group.

[rhett o rick]

132. It would not have looked good for the police to come a drag off the protestors.

His actions were perfect. I think the protestors were hoping for a big fight with the police. That would really have been a disaster. As it was, the people there came to see the speeches on Social Security and many were able to see Sen Sanders that evening.

[pnwmom]

139. So what? It happens all the time. nt

[rhett o rick]

164. Those that need to disparage Sen Sanders would have a field day if the black protestors were beat up

and dragged from the stage. Exactly what do you think he should have done?

[pnwmom]

165. Since when do protesters have to get beaten up? But, yes, they can be removed if necessary.

It happens to Code Pink frequently.

But the best thing for all our candidates is to only speak at events where access to the stage and mic is controlled. If the disrupters can't get to the stage, they'll never have to be dragged off of it.

Bernie didn't have to go to a rally at Westlake Mall that apparently couldn't be controlled. I think he made a mistake. He's not in rural Vermont anymore.

[Marr]

206. You would've been all over that, and you know it.

Why this ridiculous coy act?

[Waiting For Everyman]

61. Anybody who can think, much less say out loud in public,

"bow down to me" is NOT interested in justice.

It was disgusting, plain and simple.

[noiretextatique]

96. +1000

Let the man speak. It seems to me the intent was to silence him.

[frylock]

141. Her intent was to exercise control of all those "white liberal supremacists"

4.5 minutes of silence (and really, who the fuck asks for 4.5 minutes of silence?) wasn't going to be enough.

[MH1]

161. Yes. It's sickening.

It's a shame that the most visible movement ostensibly for racial justice seems to be run by extremists who are really only interested in having power over others themselves.

Although I can only imagine the frustration of people who have had NO power in their lives. Still, it's wrong and it's sick and I hope at some point real soon, they figure that out.

[UTUSN]

62. Simplicity is in the eye of the beholder -- and selective in the beholder, too!1 n/t

[Lunabell]

66. I think she was a plant.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

[MADem]

99. She wasn't. You should listen to the TWiB podcast, and not use religious sites as sources.

And that is a religious site, of a sort.

You can hear her rationale straight from her mouth. She doesn't hold back, she tells everything, answers every question. And you can hear the audio of what she actually said at the rally--not the abbreviated and muddied stuff--the full comments.

Your eyes might be opened. Or maybe not.

You don't have to agree with her methods, but I think she will have a few points that you will find valid.

[Lunabell]

117. Oh, I agree she has valid points

I just think she is a little off balance.

[MADem]

123. I think she's mad as hell and she's not going to take it anymore.

She's not stupid. She can see the way her mother is treated, and see the way her father is treated, and she can spot the difference. I think, for someone who was raised by fundy teapartiers, she's making progress. Do I think she's perfect? No, but who is?

Senator Sanders listened to her--when he went to his fundraiser immediately following that truncated rally, he directly addressed the issues she raised.

AMERICA is "a little off balance" when we treat people so differently because of the color of their skin. If we all became transparent, or green, overnight, we'd have a hell of a time indulging in racial bias.

[Lunabell]

125. From a teabagger to BLM?

I don't understand at all. Did she have an epiphany? I'd like her to make a statement about that.

[MADem]

128. Listen to that TWiB podcast again. All is revealed. LISTEN. HEAR. She explains all.

Your MISTAKE--and it is a biggie--is thinking that this woman views her state of emergency through the comfortable caucasian lens of electoral politics.

If you would only listen to the whole podcast, you'll see that she doesn't cut ANYONE any slack. Which makes this whole idiotic "paid operative" "Soros funded" "Teabagger/GOP plant" meme doubly absurd.

She's not interested in "allies" or making nice, or making you want to "like" her. She wants action. She is MAD AS HELL and she's not taking it anymore.

Her actions, and what she has to say, make people uncomfortable. That, too, was her goal. She makes that clear, too.

[BeanMusical]

92. Kick and R

[Rex]

94. Demand, no. Bowing in customary settings I don't have a problem with. We better both be bowing.

However if issued a demand, I bow to no one and never will. I will be defiant til the bitter end and I would hope so would everyone else here. The Time of Kings/Tyrants is long gone. This is 2015. We've moved way past Monarchy (sadly not so much past Aristocracy), still waiting for some nations to catch up. Saudi Arabia and Russia I am looking at you two.

Be defiant and stand up to tyrants.

Right now we watch Putin demand his people bow to him and a large part of the Ukraine. Be a real shame if he were to get his comeuppance. YUP, real shame.

[lewebley3]

107. You debase yourself when you use Vulgarism!

[BeanMusical]

109. You really must have hated George Carlin.

[lewebley3]

168. Carlin had his moments, but I didn't think much of him: He was a heckler!

[cali]

113. way to miss the boat. no using that honest old Anglo-Saxon word

particularly in the manner I employed it in, debased no one. Had I not used it, either you would have found another progression.to carp about the op, or if you couldn't find anything to squeeze out, you wouldn't have posted in the thread at all. That the word fuck is what you seized upon, speaks volumes about who you are.

[lewebley3]

166. You know it does that is why you used it!

[Bubzer]

111. Cannot K&R this enough!

[cali]

114. thanks, bubzer. I really love that so many of you get it,not because I said it

but because it's so fundamental to what I believe.

[Farmbrook]

118. Someone needs to read about slavery and bowing down.

Yes, slaves were demanded to bow down to their 'masser'. For a long time blacks were not comfortable in looking straight up at people. If you watch old African American movies you can see a lot of bowing down and some with a bow and a tilted hat. Now the shoe is on the other feet and then it hurts and it is disrespectful. I couldn't agree with you more.

[HassleCat]

129. The passion thing

Many people believe a strong belief in something is justification in itself. "I'm really passionate about this issue." And the issue could be AIDS, global warming, gun rights, or anything. On any side. The problem of young black men being gunned down in the streets is a serious problem that deserves serious attention. It may be the most significant problem we have right now. But it's not our only problem, and it's not the only thing political candidates should be allowed to talk about.

[cali]

131. if you posted this as an op, you'd be vilified. sad

[HassleCat]

136. That's OK

Many people have single issue personalities. Some Christians believe all we have to do is get everybody to commit to Jesus, and everything else falls into place. I have met PETA members who feel ending cruelty to animals will solve all our other problems. I know people who think banning firearms will end violence. Ending abortion will transform society. And so on. I can understand why people get intense about something, and believe their solution to one problem will spread out to cover all problems. I feel kind of the same way about socialism, economic justice, etc. so I can sympathize with the way they feel. I just think they're wrong.

[rhett o rick]

162. You make an important point. And some use their passion for an issue to justify bad behavior.

I previously posted an OP on that subject: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12778800

The other thing is that there is a huge difference in solving a problem of not enough money for education, or infrastructure, or too much for defense spending. Candidates can have specific plans. But how does anyone have a specific plan to solve racism, sexism, or bigotry?

If a president can affect a change that will stop police from shooting unarmed AA, then why aren't we picketing Obama? What can Sen Sanders or H. Clinton say that will appease those passion about black lives mattering?

[hunter]

146. It's really not that important either.

The fights I've walked away from are sometimes the fights I'd have better waited in witness.

I'm not in a YouTube or cable news place this last month, a text only world, but I suspect Bernie badly blew it on this one.

[cali]

152. to you. it's bedrock principle to me.

[hunter]

160. "Good manners" have never ever ever been improtant to me.

I was raised that way. Best course always is to do whatever is right.

My mom got our family kicked out of Franco's Spain. It was a lovely life in Spain, up until my mom told one of Franco's man exactly what she thought of him. My dad, a much more practical person than my mom, decided later that evening it would be good a time to leave for France. We lived for some time in a French public park, no money, as indigent U.S. Americans, until official France funded us to go away to England, no more their problem. None of us spoke French.

Barclay's Bank eventually weaseled my dad's money out of Spain and we flew back to the U.S.A. by Pan Am a year later.

If someone punches me in the face then it's likely they didn't didn't like what I was saying. If they kiss me, it's likely they did.

[Quantess]

147. Does this apply to Muslim Extremists?

Just asking.

[cali]

150. yes. it applies to the worst murderer. it applies to every human on the planet

[Glassunion]

149. It was rude. Absolutely. But when has being polite worked for us?

Off the top of your head when was the last time our black community made any real progress without disruption, civil disobedience, or being just plain rude at times?

Do you think Bernie would have posted his policy proposals without having it shoved in his face? Or do you think he'd still be plodding along pushing his one-size-fits-all economic justice will solve all our problems?

But when you refuse to listen to the cries of those who are literally being murdered with impunity, than maybe it is time to be rude.

[cali]

151. it has nothing to do with manners.

[Glassunion]

154. It does have everything to do with being heard by those who refuse to listen.

[cali]

195. Bernie is far from being someone who hasn't listened.

[Glassunion]

197. How many disruptions did it take before it led to Bernie's explicit platform on racial justice?

[ShrimpPoboy]

159. Can't argue

with that. Yeah, it was rude but it's serious business and sometimes being offensive is the only way to get noticed or get a response. Bernie in particular is very economic and class focused so perhaps this was the push he needed to broaden his message.

It seems to have worked.

[RichVRichV]

169. Have you considered being rude to Obama?

After all, if the situation is so desperate then why not go directly to the one who's currently has the power to make things better. The person being protested won't be in position to make major changes for another 1.5 years, assuming he ever is.

[Marr]

172. Many of the same people who are applauding this were villifying Code Pink

not so long ago for interrupting one of Obama's addresses with their protests. They were confined to the seating area, not the stage, and they certainly never insisted Obama 'bow down' or tried to physically intimidate him, but according to them, that engagement was 'idiotic' and 'counterproductive' and 'did harm to their cause'.

I agreed with them, to be perfectly honest.

Their 'cause' was war and torture-- certainly no less a humanitarian crisis than police brutality. But now many of those same critics are saying this incident is just great. It's understandable, sensible, even commendable. So disrupting a speech by the actual president on the issue of war is bad, but disrupting a speech by a liberal candidate is great.

[stranger81]

176. Yep. This is all about whose ox is gored.

Always has been.

[Glassunion]

191. If the opportunity presents itself

What would be the issue of getting the point across?

[reorg]

171. it's neither 'fucking' nor simple

and nobody demanded that anybody bow down 'to them'. That is your own simplistic invention, forgive me if I left out a necessary 'fuck'.

[hifiguy]

174. The idiot's hashtag says otherwise.

The intent was as plain as the difference between chalk and cheese.

[reorg]

175. No it doesn't

Seattle Says #BowDownBernie.

Bernie’s arrival in Seattle is largely significant in the context of the state of emergency Black lives are in locally as well as across America. The Seattle Police Department has been under federal consent decree for the last three years and has been continually plagued by use-of-force violations and racist scandals amongst their rank and file. Seattle Mayor Ed Murray has refused to push any reform measures for police accountability, not even the numerous recommendations of his self-appointed Community Police Commission. The Seattle School District suspends Black students at a rate six times higher than their white counterparts, feeding Black children into the school-to-prison pipeline. King County has fought hard to push through a plan to build a $210 million new youth jail to imprison these children, amid intense community criticism and dissent. The Central District, a historically Black neighborhood in Seattle, has undergone rapid gentrification over the past few decades, with Black people being displaced from the only neighborhood that we could legally live in until just years ago. While white men profit off of the legalization of marijuana, our prisons are still filled with Black people who are over-incarcerated for drug offenses.

This city is filled with white progressives, which is why Bernie Sanders’ camp was obviously expecting a friendly and consenting audience for today’s campaign visit. The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives. While we are drowning in their liberal rhetoric, we have yet to see them support Black grassroots movements or take on any measure of risk and responsibility for ending the tyranny of white supremacy in our country and in our city. This willful passivity while claiming solidarity with the ‪#?BlackLivesMatter‬ movement in an effort to be relevant is over. White progressive Seattle and Bernie Sanders cannot call themselves liberals while they participate in the racist system that claims Black lives. Bernie Sanders will not continue to call himself a man of the people, while ignoring the plight of Black people. Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

On this, nearly the one year anniversary of the ruthless murder of Mike Brown, we honor Black lives lost by doing the unthinkable, the unapologetic, and the unrespectable. Out of radical love for our Black brothers and sisters, we put our lives and our bodies on the line to testify to their persecution and resilience. We join together in Black love to #SayHerName and declare that #BlackLivesMatter, understanding that our love will disrupt the complicity and corruption of our anti-Black society; GOP, Democrat, and otherwise.

https://outsideagitators206.org/blog/seattle-says-bowdownbernie/

[cali]

194. per the protest organizer that was the name of the action. YOU don't get to make shit up.

[reorg]

196. no, it wasn't - which you would know

if you were able to read a line or two in between the hundreds of brainfarts you are posting here daily while taking cues from Frontpage Mag.

Seattle Says #BowDownBernie.

(not 'bow down to us' but to their cause outlined below)

Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign. Black people are in a state of emergency. Lines have been drawn in the sand. You are either fighting continuously and measurably to protect Black life in America, or you are a part of the white supremacist system that we will tear down in the liberation of our people.

https://outsideagitators206.org/blog/seattle-says-bowdownbernie/

[giftedgirl77]

207. I'm stealing this from you because this is exactly what

any black or Latino I know is talking about when we say Sanders isn't focusing on social justice issues. Sanders has had blinders on & been focusing on economic issues which while it effects everyone shouldn't be his sole focus. I don't worry about paying for my sons' college, I worry that one of them won't make it that long or get caught up in the criminal justice system through the school over some nonsense that in a normal society would never even be thought of as a punishable event let alone criminal.

[riderinthestorm]

183. Finding it very interesting whose avoiding this thread cali

Some of the biggest defenders of that protest action and the vile call-out of BS and the rest of the attendees as "white supremacists", are conspicuous by their absence here...

[cali]

193. I get now that some people don't agree with my sentiments, though I confess

to being surprised a bit.

[Smarmie Doofus]

204. I say: arrest; but verify.

The Senator cannot and MUST not permit these people to hijack his rallies.

If he makes a "deal" with them, he's giving into him.

There are police permits required to stage public rallies. Presumably the Sanders campaign has them. Presumably the brownshirts do not.

It is a very simple matter of law and logic. The police have a completely legit function at that point, not to mention an obligation to the permit holder.

[Glassunion]

211. What exactly does making a "deal" with them, and giving into them look like?

Maybe Bernie should setup areas where folks can freely gather to protest at his speeches.