WTF is an ANTI-War Liberal?

[busterbrown]

I hear this term frequently..including in this piece in the Huffington Post..

Reaction against Schummer”s veto threat on the Iranian Deal..

My point is that people who claim to be anti-war are against all wars no matter what the reason..I personally knew many of them during the Vietnam War period ...

But here is just another example of how main stream media dumbs down readers into thinking that anyone who is for a sensible treaty with Iran is an anti-war Liberal.. What a crock of shit..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-war-group-has-already-withheld-83-million-from-chuck-schumer-and-iran-deal-opponents_55c511a0e4b0f1cbf1e51761?kvcommref=mostpopular

[Scuba]

1. Is there another kind?

[former9thward]

2. Yes, only pacifists were anti-war in WW II.

[Generic Other]

3. I am a liberal and I have been anti all the wars in my lifetime

Can't say about just wars as my country hasn't been in any in my memory.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

4. Kosovo? Sierra Leone?

And there was a tragically untaken opportunity for a just war in Rwanda, unless you're under 21.

[Generic Other]

5. I said my country not UN sanctioned police actions

I was thinking more in terms of Iraq, Vietnam. That kind of war. Colonialism, imperialism, wars with high civilian casualties. Wars like the one the GOP is itching to start with Iran. Yeah, I am anti-war from way back.

[End Of The Road]

6. Careful choice of adjectives and nouns, especially in headlines...

...helps the media mold public opinion even if no one reads a single word of the accompanying article, heaven forbid doing any further research.

The media meme currently bothering me most is "Pro-Russian Rebels" in obvious reference to current events in Ukraine. It's a double whammy: In the U.S., to be pro-Russian makes you a commie or worse, and the noun rebels refers to those who use force against established authority. So these guys must be the BAD GUYS, right? But is that really true? What if we called them the "Anti-Kiev Faction?" Now that would require the reader to delve further into history, culture, politics of Ukraine to interpret current events and...OMG...possibly form an opinion different from the one our leaders want us to have.

Thanks for turning me on to "Anti-War Liberal." It's a double whammy opinion-maker, too, and I will be giving it more thought. Probably because of my age Anti-War conjures up those dirty hippies (I was one) from the '60s. Liberal is now mostly pejorative, why I don't know, but to opinion-formulating media why doesn't matter. Pejorative is what counts.

[busterbrown]

10. I marched too...back then..

Agree with every everything you stated..

[reddread]

7. a disappointed Democrat

[Ghost in the Machine]

8. A definition?

It's a given that Liberals are anti-war, though some do support military actions in defense of our Allies....

Peace,

Ghost

[busterbrown]

11. Tell me... if a group of these fucking T bagger extremists ..

come into your neighborhood.. And start threatening your family are you gonna rationalize not fighting back because you are a anti-war liberal? Fuck No!

[Ghost in the Machine]

13. Ummm, if you have ever read any of MY posts in the past, you would KNOW that *I* am *NOT*

a pacifist, nor am I one of the so-called "tree-hugging, latte-sipping, Birkenstock wearing" variety of a Liberal. I am a gun owning, 2nd Amendment supporting, pro death penalty supporting variety of Liberal that will take you out of this world if you fuck with me or my family.

I have had 3 different people threaten to burn my house down while my kids and I were sleeping. After talking to the County Sheriff and a Judge, I posted "NO TRESPASSING" signs at the appropriate distances on my property and, because I live 15 miles from town and we only have 3 offices on duty at night and it could take them 30 minutes or more to respond to a 9-1-1 call, I have a paper signed by the Judge that if I catch ANYONE on my property in the middle of the night with a gas can in their hands, I can shoot first and ask questions later, without fear from charges being filed against me. I NEVER *want* to be put in that position, but if I am, I WILL NOT HESITATE to pull the trigger. When you give me the choice the lives of my kids and me vs. you, take a wild guess at who is going to lose...

Does that clear *THAT* up for you? My positions are one reason that I'm not very popular around here, but then again, I didn't sign up here to enter a popularity contest, and i most certainly will NEVER win a Mr. Congeniality contest, but do I sound like I give a fuck? I didn't think so!

Ghost

[elias49]

9. We've been manipulated since WW1.

Edward Bernays was a pioneer in the area of propaganda and shaping public opinion.

"Born in 1891, when he was just a year old he was brought by his parents from his native Austria to America. It is hard to overestimate his mark on the American social consciousness. Bernays worked for the administration of Woodrow Wilson during World War 1. As part of the Committee on Public Information, he was influential in promoting the idea that America's war efforts were primarily aimed at “bringing democracy to all of Europe". That's right. It was the idea of Bernays to sell warfare as the spreading of democracy, an idea that rules the American thought process to this very day."

This country has made persuasion and deceit into a fine art.

Interesting article here from the Daily Kos, 2013:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/12/1208580/-In-defense-of-a-phrase-conspiracy-theory

[busterbrown]

12. Absolutely and thanks for the info.. n/t

[BlueStater]

14. *I'm* an anti-war liberal.

Who the fuck is PRO-war?

I'm NOT, however, anti-defense.