Chuck Schumer to announce his betrayal of President, party and country tomorrow

[geek tragedy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-schumer-planning-to-break-with-obama-oppose-iran-deal_55c3f7e9e4b0d9b743dba71d

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, the chamber's third-ranking Democrat, plans to announce his opposition to the nuclear deal negotiated by the U.S., Iran, and five world powers tomorrow, three people familiar with his thinking tell The Huffington Post.

Schumer's move will come a day after New Hampshire Democratic Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Schumer's fellow New York senator, Kirstin Gillibrand, announced their support for the deal. That momentum is blunted by Schumer's pending announcement. Backers of the deal had hoped that if Schumer decided to oppose the deal, he would hold off until the last minute.

Schumer's support of a war footing over diplomacy puts him at odds with the Democratic caucus he intends to lead next term, though it is consistent with the position he has long taken.

As the soon-to-be leader of his party in the Senate, Schumer’s decision to directly fight President Barack Obama on the biggest foreign policy achievement of his presidency is a bold, but not surprising, move. Schumer has long been more hawkish on foreign policy than some of his fellow Democrats. In 2002, he voted for the Authorization for the Use of Military Force in Iraq. In 2006 he backed John Bolton's nomination to serve as George W. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, reportedly telling a Senate Democratic caucus meeting that "a vote against Bolton was a vote against Israel." Bolton is an ardent foe of negotiation with Iran.

Chuck Schumer is a piece of shit warmonger who is 100% Republican/Likud when it comes to foreign policy. He has as much place being the next leader of Democrats in the Senate as did Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller.

Those of us who know what a piece of garbage Schumer is and where his loyalties lie saw this coming.

[still_one]

1. I will wait until tomorrow, and if he does as you say I will join you, not in his betrayal of Obama,

but his betrayal of the United States of America

[geek tragedy]

25. It's official

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us/politics/schumer-says-he-will-oppose-iran-nuclear-deal.html?emc=edit_na_20150806&nlid=52730617&ref=cta&_r=1

[still_one]

43. I just saw it, and it is appropriate that the king of rags should print it, along with how "Schumer"

can derail the deal.

Hopefully, that last analysis from the times is wrong.

[cally]

2. He has betrayed our country, his party, and his Presiden

He should take over after Reid. He just disqualified himself and anyone who votes for him betrays us.

[WinkyDink]

13. One can oppose foreign policy here. It isn't treason.

[geek tragedy]

27. He had two motivations for his vote

1) He's a warmonger who loves John Bolton and voted for the Iraq war
2) he has a lifetime 100% record of siding with the state of Israel against the United States when there's a dispute between the two governments. That is a simple fact, anyone can look it up, people can draw inferences from there.

[Lil Missy]

52. This

[6chars]

126. Jesus H Christ

when people start talking this way, it can be a little uncomfortable.

[MicaelS]

3. Did you really expect anything else from Schumer?

Schumer has long been more hawkish on foreign policy than some of his fellow Democrats. In 2002, he voted for the Authorization for the Use of Military Force in Iraq. In 2006 he backed John Bolton's nomination to serve as George W. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations, reportedly telling a Senate Democratic caucus meeting that "a vote against Bolton was a vote against Israel." Bolton is an ardent foe of negotiation with Iran.

Schumer has a sizable Jewish constituency and has developed close ties to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the influential pro-Israel lobbying group that has pledged over $20 million to kill the nuclear accord. During his 34 years in Congress, Schumer has become fond of telling his voters that his surname is derived from “shomer,” the Hebrew word for “guardian.” “I am a shomer for Israel and I will continue to be that with every bone in my body,” he said in 2010.

[geek tragedy]

5. I've been guarenteeing that he would choose Netanyahu over Obama

all along.

He's a war pig, a wall street pig, a traitorous pig, a disloyal pig.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. Yes he has to

[russspeakeasy]

9. Well said.

[GitRDun]

15. +1

[Tommy2Tone]

72. He's like an Israeli spy in the senate

Once again Israel runs our foreign policy and once again this piece of shit is carrying water for them.

[KT2000]

97. then he and his family should enlist

and go to the war he wants so badly.

I am sick to death of politicians sending other people to fight their f#%&ing wars.

[ladjf]

4. I think it's about time for Schumer to retire. nt

[geek tragedy]

6. No, he's all set to be the next leader of the Democrats in the Senate.

Because he can raise money.

Being a disloyal, treasonous sellout enables him to do that.

[ladjf]

16. You know , Carter's problem when he was President is that he was too honest. Consequently,

he was unable to get much cooperation from Congress.

[kacekwl]

35. Sadly he will

be voted in by the other corporate "democrats"

[kelliekat44]

7. Please color him "gone." nt

[ruffburr]

8. I Swear to ceerhist-

These 3rd way pricks with their winging pals will not be happy till were all living back in the stone age, OOPS, There won't be a habitable planet left either.

[geek tragedy]

12. It's not being a third wayer. Schumer is just a war pig who wants us

to fight a war on behalf of Israel.

He supported the Iraq war under Bush, and now he wants to launch one under the next President.

I highly doubt the traitor wants a Democrat to win in 2016.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Phone numbers here

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/contact/office-locations

I will be expressing my displeasure.

[daleanime]

31. Thank you....

[WinkyDink]

11. If so, it is to be re-elected long after Obama departs.

[geek tragedy]

14. This is who Schumer is, this isn't about getting re-elected.

This is about his values and his loyalties and his agenda.

[BeyondGeography]

17. 3/4 of Democrats and no polls showing less than 60% Jewish support

He is not reflecting the will of his voters.

[geek tragedy]

18. Gillibrand represents the exact same voters

and she chose to stay true to her party and country

[MrMickeysMom]

19. So, let me get this straight… He detests relaxation of domestic gun laws...

… but loves aggressive and oppressive policies of American exceptionalism, so long as we bully and kill elsewhere?

Got it!

[hollowdweller]

57. Really. Wants to take guns from US citizens but wants our citizens to die for Israel.

Surely if anything this disqualifies him for majority leader.

[LAGC]

92. He's a first-class hypocrite and doesn't belong anywhere near Senate leadership.

This guy needs to be put in his place. He is a traitor to party and country.

[Charles de Gaudless]

20. He will have disqualified himself for a leadership role in the U.S. Senate

But hey hey, he'd be a great choice for the Knesset!

[geek tragedy]

21. he's a much more valuable asset to them where he is. nt

[Charles de Gaudless]

32. Yep, the Senate's very own Jon Pollard

Disgusting!

[ConservativeDemocrat]

22. I disagree with Senator Schumer

And hope that he will see this as an error on his part in a few years.

He likely will. He's a smart guy.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[geek tragedy]

24. This is not a mistake on his part. This is a guy who voted for the Iraq war.

A guy who browbeat his Senate colleagues to vote for John Bolton.

He trusted Bush, but not Obama.

This is who he is, at his core.

He's a smart guy, but a really horrible human being.

[karynnj]

28. you mean like when he said about 3 years to late that

He should have LED a filibuster against Alita ...... when what he DID NOT DO was to help Kerry and Kennedy when both of these far better men led one.

He and the leadership actually passively worked against it

I rarely say this, but he needs a 2016 primary challenge because this vote is far worse than the bad IWR vote.

[Change has come]

85. K&R

This is maddening. Hopefully Obama has a few moves left to overcome this.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

23. Very sad to hear this.

[RoccoR5955]

26. Of course.

You do know that Schumer is being controlled by AIPAC, don't you?

[geek tragedy]

29. Controlled? No. Agrees with them and shares their agenda 100%. nt

[Deadshot]

30. He's always been a piece of shit.

[geek tragedy]

33. yep, throws in some meaningless lip service to liberal causes

but he's a loyal soldier to the rightwing and the war party

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. And as expected you cannot disagree without the antisemitic whistles

for the record, he is wrong in his position. See, I do not need to go there. You do.

[geek tragedy]

39. If AIPAC and Netanyahu had urged him to vote for the deal, we both know

how long it would have taken him to announce his support. About one nanosecond.

I knew how he would vote when Netanyahu opposed it. What does that tell you?

Maybe you've missed the lobbying by AIPAC and Netanyahu targeting Jewish voters over this, explicitly citing those voters' religion as a reason to vote for war.

Are they anti-semitic?

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Maybe you miss how you can be critical without going there

By the way, there are plenty of governments that lobby ours, and plenty of other members of congress who have their ear. Try to disagree without being disagreeable...it is possible.

[geek tragedy]

44. It doesn't work that way. When the government of Israel says "Jews must oppose this because

they are Jews" then like it or not the issue has been put on the table, and cannot be ignored.

When the organizations like AIPAC and the American Jewish Congress etc etc, all start saying "Jews must oppose this because they are Jews" then it has been put on the table and cannot be ignored.

It's been the Israelis and the Israel Lobby that have been blaring out one message "Jews should do what Israel asks them to do."

Schumer has long been part of the power structure that's been leaning on Jews to support a war with Iran. He has frequently cited Israel and Judaism as guiding his votes in the Senate.

And he has supported Israel against his own government every time the two have disagreed. He has been a reliable yes-man for Netanyahu. This is a man who is not capable of having a policy disagreement with Netanyahu and the Israeli government.

But, all of sudden it's a dog whistle to merely observe the rhetoric and record of the warmongers inside the Democratic party?

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. I am sorry if you do not understand how bad what you posted looks

yes, it is antisemitic. By the way, I am Jewish and I am all for the deal. I went there and I actually, GASP read it, not just took the administration's word either. But that is what CITIZENS do. You know the loyal kind.

So keep that up, the slurs are just ahem, fantastic. I "love them."

Now I got a story to write, on the debate tonight actually. And I really don't think you can be ahem educated on how terrible what you are posting sounds to the daughter of a holocaust survivor who is very familiar with the history of antisemitic speech.

I am just wasting my time, I know. With that, au revoir, abirderzeen, I expect more from you.

[geek tragedy]

51. Congress is full of corrupt assholes who place various parochial interests above

the well-being of the country.

A lot of them place Big Oil and Big Coal first, above the interests of the United States.

A lot of Cubans in Florida place their jihad against Castro above what's good for the United States.

Schumer places what the Israeli government wants over all other considerations. That's how he's conducted himself his entire career.

Observing that behavior is no more anti-semitic than noting how Jonathan Pollard behaved.

[cal04]

36. NY Newsday :Schumer opposes Iran nuke deal, but Gillibrand supports it

Sens. Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are divided over the deal to limit Iran's nuclear program.

The New York Democrats issued statements Thursday explaining their positions, with Schumer saying he reached his decision after "considerable soul-searching" and Gillibrand supporting an admittedly "imperfect" deal.

"Advocates on both sides have strong cases for their point of view that cannot simply be dismissed," Schumer said. "This has made evaluating the agreement a difficult and deliberate endeavor, and after deep study, careful thought and considerable soul-searching, I have decided I must oppose the agreement and will vote yes on a motion of disapproval."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/chuck-schumer-opposes-iran-nuke-deal-but-kirsten-gillibrand-supports-it-1.10715182

[OldRedneck]

37. Sonofabitch caved to the Israeli lobby

[geek tragedy]

40. caved? He plays for that team. They didn't need to lobby him. nt

[jtuck004]

38. Nothing like rooting for the deaths of thousands of your constituents as they bleed out,

alone on foreign soil.

Probably should have warning pictures of the creep around the neighborhood.

[AngryAmish]

42. I do not alert, since I am a piece of shit, but the OP is antisemitic.

Calling a Senator a member of Likud...way past the line.

[still_one]

45. No it isn't. What the OP is saying is that Schumer is being influenced by AIPAC and Israel. Anyone

who doubts that isn't aware what's happening.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/politics/aipac-iran-nuclear-deal-congress/

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/07/17/aipac-funds-ads-opposing-iran-nuclear-deal/

Incidentally, I am Jewish, I support Israel, but not on this, and not on what Netanyahu has done to hurt Israel by immersing himself in American politics, and elections, and speaking before Congress. I am sorry, but I have a real problem with not only that election stunt he tried to pull, but his statements that he will never accept a two state solution. I do NOT have any kind words to say about Netanyahu

[gregcrawford]

50. Oh, get off it...

... Schumer has explicitly stated where his true loyalties lie on too many occasions to count. He dealt the play, now he has to live with the backlash. He deserves it. He can't have it both ways.

And I am not prejudiced. I despise all religions equally.

[TheKentuckian]

58. I don't see how it is that much different than calling him a Republican

I think maybe I'd rather be called Likud than a TeaPubliKlan, the body count and misery sewn isn't even within an order of magnitude.

I think there is some there there in the hammering as the thread continues though but the post it's self isn't there from my point of view. In fact, I wouldn't say in context that it is unfair even.
In of it's self anyway the strident pounding throughout though creates a pattern that is at least dubious.

[SoapBox]

46. What?

[geek tragedy]

48. You're surprised at this? nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. Malloy spilled the beans on Schumer over a decade ago....

Long clip but worth it.

http://server4.whiterosesociety.org/content/malloy/MalloyMemories/Beware_of_the_Prior_Generals.mp3

He mentions Schumer at about the 11:40 mark.

[Daniel537]

53. Can't believe anyone thought he would actually support this deal.

He's AIPAC's most loyal stooge in congress. His vote was never even in doubt.

[geek tragedy]

55. exactly. Ideologically, he's a clone of John Bolton and Netanyahu. Worse than Lieberman nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

54. Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him. n/t

[geek tragedy]

56. I think I voted for him on the Working Families Party ticket last time.

Voted Green for the first time ever with Andy Cuomo. Looks very likely I'll have to do that again.

But, thank goodness for Gillibrand. She's turned out to be a gift.

[Smarmie Doofus]

63. She's announced FOR the deal?

If so... I'm pleasantly surprised.

[geek tragedy]

64. earlier today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141168917

[lonestarnot]

66. Asshat.

[geek tragedy]

69. Did you mean to call Gillibrand an asshat, or were you responding to the wrong post?

I'm assuming it's the latter.

[lonestarnot]

73. Oops maybe I did. chuckie asshat fuckwad.

[geek tragedy]

74. I agree! nt

[Smarmie Doofus]

68. That's a pretty brave vote in this state, in this party.

It will be interesting to see what, if any, repercussions ensue.

In any case, it speaks well of her.

[geek tragedy]

70. she's going to be fine. She's not up until 2018, and won't face any primary challengers

The Borough Park/Kew Gardens nutters aren't heavyweight players statewide.

[PatrynXX]

59. sounds like a Harry Reid clone

a conservative..... never considered Harry to be a Liberal. looks like Chuck is the same fake as Harry is. although Harry knows how to play nice..

[geek tragedy]

61. Harry Reid is ten times the Democrat Chuck "We never should have passed the ACA" Schumer is.

Reid learned from his mistake on voting for the Iraq war.

With Schumer, it was never a mistake.

[AtheistCrusader]

60. With friends like these...

[geek tragedy]

62. He strikes me as a Cassius moreso than a Brutus type nt

[fbc]

65. kick and rec

[truebrit71]

67. This needs to disqualify him from ANY leadership role...

...what a fucking scumbag....

[Tommy2Tone]

71. Schumer is not just pro Israel.

He is a son of Israel first and foremost. This is not the first time he has supported their interests over ours. I can't believe he is set to take over as minority leader of the senate.

[lonestarnot]

76. So he wants to waste billions on a war with Iran. He's for the war option.

[Tommy2Tone]

77. What's American lives to Schumer?

It's all about defending Israel

[lonestarnot]

82. I have no problem with defending Israel, however, not on Netanyehoo's terms, on American terms and

that means diplomacy with people are nutty that want to kill us, not pre-emptive bushitler endless wars. If we have to that is one thing but warmongering for war profiteers is totally another.

[Tommy2Tone]

107. I used to agree but...

Israel is looking more and more like a thug nation with Netanyehoo it's dictator. The are becoming the bad guys in the middle east. There will never be peace there and we are bankrolling the entire thing.

[progressoid]

75. Not surprised coming from a signatory of PNAC.

[clg311]

79. No manhood at all.

He supported the invasion of Iraq too.

[stevenleser]

80. I disagree with his vote. The question I have is, are there already enough votes to ensure the deal

goes through? I thought there were.

If so, Obama and Reid may have simply released him on this one.

[geek tragedy]

81. They did not release him, they do not have the votes in the Senate.

Neither do the Republicans. Republicans are going to wind up somewhere between 62 and 70 votes.

Anybody's ballgame.

[cherokeeprogressive]

91. Wanna bet on which way it goes?

[geek tragedy]

96. No, as I said right now it's 50/50.

It could squeak by with 35 votes or so.

But it's going to be uncomfortably close.

[cherokeeprogressive]

98. You miss my point. "Uncomfortably close" is the way it's INTENDED to be.

That's how some are able to get the pass in order to save their seats.

[geek tragedy]

99. no, when it's this close there are no passes. They don't have enough committed, or even leaning,

votes to prevent a veto override

Never underestimate the cowardice of Congressional Democrats who want to (a) grovel before Israel; and (b) support war and oppose diplomacy because it makes them look 'tough' and 'serious'

[davidpdx]

119. Sure, below is my prediction

House: rejects the deal by a margin of around 50
Senate: rejects the deal by a margin of around 10
President Obama vetoes
House: fails to attempt an override
Senate: doesn't bother voting on the override due to failure in the House

[PoliticAverse]

94. Pelosi says she has the votes in the House so the repeal attempt appears dead. n/t

[geek tragedy]

95. best not to take that chance, very few of them have committed publicly nt

[PoliticAverse]

83. Pelosi has indicated she has to votes in the House to stop the Republican attempt.

See: http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/nancy-pelosi-the-house-has-the-votes-to-back-the-u-s-nuclear-deal-with-iran-20150730

[cherokeeprogressive]

88. You are exactly right on this point. I don't think people making derogatory remarks on this thread

understand how politics work behind the scenes. Once the outcome of a vote is not in question, those who are in a place of having to placate constituencies are given a pass to vote the way their constituencies WANT them to vote in order to avoid losing the seat to the other party.

[PoliticAverse]

89. Yeah you have to know there are real votes and "cover" votes. n/t

[cherokeeprogressive]

90. It is the way it is. There's no changing that. Schumer was told by TPTB that he could vote no.

In EVERY instance there are "throwaway votes". Schumer's getting one.

[PATRICK]

100. Good points

and I think his clout is exaggerated in the Senate especially in his own mind.

[cherokeeprogressive]

102. He's nothing more than one tooth in a 100 tooth sprocket. TPTB know this.

HE knows this.

He has a constituency though that he has to at least PRETEND to look out for.

That's politics.

[herding cats]

105. The common assumption is we will have the votes.

But, the real question is does that exonerate the next head of the Democratic minority in the Senate from following the president and the party on this matter?

From where I'm sitting it's not about his one vote as a senior senator from NY on the issue. It's about his potential vote against the party on a major issue which by and large we support from one of our future leaders. This is where the conflict is on the matter.

What does this say about him, and his future potential to lead our party in the senate? Will he be for more conflict in the ME or more peace as our senate leader? This is the question his vote brings about. It's a worthy question, so I'd appreciate it if people not dismiss it out of hand.

[McCamy Taylor]

84. He is representing his state.

[geek tragedy]

87. No, he isn't. New York is not Israel. We don't want war with Iran.

Gillibrand is opposing the war.

[jberryhill]

101. What state does Gillibrand represent?

[herding cats]

108. This goes beyond that.

He's not acting here as just a senior senator from NY. He's the next leader of the Democrats in the senate. That's where the conflict is on this vote. This is a major issue for the Democratic party. It's about stabilization in the ME, and thus less wars. It's a major move toward peace and less conflict. Schumer is opposing this historic move.

Schumer is coming out on the side of the Republicans on this one, which bodes very poorly for him as our future senate leader. Is he for more conflict in the ME, or is he for peace? That's the question here.

If he can't step up to the plate and support the party on such a major issue as this, is he the right person for our next senate leader? I say no, he's not. We do not need a party leader who is for more conflict in the ME. The Republicans already own that stance.

That's the real issue here.

[The Wizard]

86. Joe Liebermann's

illegitimate step child.

[MFrohike]

93. Heh

Washington insider conforms to groupthink. News at 11.

I don't think he betrayed anybody. I just think he's wrong. He's read the strategic calculus of the region incorrectly and decided to go along with institutional Washington inertia. This is business as usual for the leadership of the national party. Rather than be shocked, learn not to hero-worship or trust your elected employees.

[still_one]

104. Its close. It can be inferred that a vote against the Iran deal is a vote for war with Iran. If

that is the case, then is war with Iran in the best interest of the United States? I think we can look at the Iraq war as an example, and what that did, and infer that the costs in human life, destabilization of the middle east, and the increase of our national debt that we received from reckless incursion was not in the best interests of the United States.

[MFrohike]

106. Shrug

Best interest and betrayal aren't close. Schumer is siding with a continued proxy war with the country that might help stabilize the region while siding with the country doing everything it can to destabilize it (and no, I don't mean Israel). It's the same failed thinking that's gotten us to this point, but nobody seems willing to toss our backstabbing ally, again it's not Israel, overboard and try for a policy that might actually work. It's stupid, but it's not treason.

[Purveyor]

103. And make no mistake, he will be there in full charge when the resolution for an attack on Iran

is introduced in the Senate. Supporting it just as he did the Iraq invasion.

[davidn3600]

109. So no Democrat in the Congress can ever vote against something Obama favors?

The Senate is not a rubber stamp for the president. They have the constitutional duty of advise and consent. They have the constitutional duty of ratification of international treaties.

If he legitimately feels the deal doesn't benefit America, nor his constituents, then he shouldn't vote for it.

[geek tragedy]

111. He trusted Bush but not Obama. Because Bush

is a fellow neocon warmonger and AIPAC hero, whereas Obama believes in diplomacy and keeping us out of war and making decisions based on what's good for the US, even if it means upsetting Benjamin Netanyahu.

Schumer believes in the foreign policy of John Bolton, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush--so he has endorses the foreign policy of the Republican nominee in 2016.

[Cha]

110. Thank Goodness, Senators Shaheen and Gillabrand are with the President, though!

[hobbit709]

112. He's certainly no statesman but he's definitely a politician.

[geek tragedy]

113. People in Israel would disagree. nt

[hobbit709]

114. Israel is not a part of the United States the last time I looked.

[geek tragedy]

115. Someone should tell Schumer and AIPAC that. nt

[hobbit709]

116. Exactly.

[Scuba]

117. He needs to be primaried from the left.

[tabasco]

118. Charles Schumer (D-Tel Aviv) n/t

[DCBob]

120. This sickens me.

I hope this ends any chance of him becoming Senate minority leader.

[jeff47]

121. LOL!!

Yeah, this will COMPLETELY derail his elevation to leader. Just like the Iraq war vote has made it impossible to win an election.

[Smarmie Doofus]

122. The Iraq War was and is popular in the NYS DEM Party upper echelon.

However the nat'l party power dynamics are somewhat different.

We shall see.

[bahrbearian]

123. Chuck Lieberman

[Scurrilous]

124. Boink.

[Martin Eden]

125. Can Shumer be primaried?

We need to get rid of this traitor.