Rumor: TPP

[Cleita]

Caller into Thom Hartmann this morning said that 2.7 million workers would be invited to work inside the USA on H-1 visas under the TPP agreement.

Does anyone have more concrete information on this? This would be devastating to our wage earners. Are they really trying to turn us into a third world country by bringing over people to teach us how to survive on $1 a day?

[onecaliberal]

1. Competing with low wage earning countries

Will depress wages either way. Yes that IS really the point.

[Recursion]

2. TPP doesn't address H1-B levels

H1-B visa levels are essentially a bilateral agreement between the US and India, and India is very deliberately not a party to the TPP.

[Cleita]

3. Okay so what would be the level or visa offered? eom

[Recursion]

4. Well, obviously the TPP could contain anything

But no previous trade agreement the US has signed has gotten into immigration issues; they're all about labor laws, environmental regulations, corporate welfare, and tariffs.

But, as of now, none of the potential TPP signatories are significant users of the H1-B or H2-B visa systems.

So, I'd have to say, "none": unless the TPP vastly differs from previous agreements, it's not about immigration at all. Furthermore, it's not being negotiated with countries that have significant labor immigration to the US. (There's a reason for that.)

[misterhighwasted]

5. Global Corporations exist as an entity by themselves. Not part of any Nation.

They do indeed see the US as useful a space as any third world country.
This is what they have been chipping away at in the USA for a long time. All workers will be equal under Corporate Law, regardless of geographical boundaries.
Whomever doesn't make the cut as a worker or who doesn't cooperate will be delegated to slave labor prison sanctuaries.
Days of surfs & peasants, haves & have-nots, call it whatever you want but is the New World Order that GHW Bush talked about back in the 90's.
The dream has slowly been moving towards a reality & they are 1 GOP Presidential Selection away from completion. Selection worked with GW & it will work with JEB!, as far as they are concerned.

You are correct. The world becomes one big happy fucking family, as the New World Corporate Order takes hold.

Every vote will count in 2016. Do not stay home.

Thanks for your post Cleita.

[Cleita]

8. Thanks for the insight. It gives me something to think about. eom

[Rex]

21. And there are DUers pushing for this NWO with not one ounce of shame in their bodies.

Everyone should note their fellow posters that support this NWO of corporate hegemony. I sure have, they are obvious and not trying to hide it in the least bit.

[misterhighwasted]

24. The importance of not sittiing out this 2016 election.

Whomever your DEM candidate is. We absolutely cannot withstand a GOP win, and a Walker or Bush is the end game for this Country.

Vote DEM.

[Rex]

25. True, I think this country will be totally fucked forever if Walker or Bush worm into office.

They will appoint judges that we will never outlive and we will watch them produce crap that makes Citizens United look tame by comparison.

[misterhighwasted]

26. Absolutely right. The GE is crucial & bound to be brutal, start to finish.

I expect more election day questions about suppression, voting machine counts, precinct closings. The usual only magnified. I also expect challenges, & god forbid if our Supreme Court ends up choosing the next President as with GW.
It is frightening to think of what we are up against.

Vote Dem.
Thanks

[frazzled]

6. Oh goody, a rumor from an anonymous caller

on a radio talk show. And you just thought you might spread that rumor a little farther. We should all take up our pitchforks now.

[Cleita]

7. Really, where did I call for pitchforks?

I asked for information and honestly labeled it as a rumor. What if it's true and somebody knows it's true and can put up information about it, or in your world is ignorance bliss?

[frazzled]

9. It was probably the part where

you asked "Are they really trying to turn us into a third world country by bringing over people to teach us how to survive on $1 a day?" If you don't think that was intended as a scare tactic pulled out of a hat, based on a rumor from an anonymous caller, you might need to step back and consider how people take this kind of stuff. Any rumor becomes immediately true. Any analysis added to that rumor becomes fuel for the fire.

And why would you ask anyone here about whether it is true or not? How would they know? Until the terms of the treaty are finally negotiated and come before Congress, pretty much everything is conjecture.

[Cleita]

11. We don't know much about this treaty because it's been treated as a big

fat secret by the parties involved. This is very unAmerican IMHO. But still you are stretching the point about the pitchforks. Discussion is good especially when rumors are found to have some foundation in truth.

[Javaman]

16. "We don't know much about this treaty because it's been treated as a big fat secret"

so using pure conjecture regarding the treaty and asking if anyone knows anything about it, when you just answered your own question: "big fat secret", does exactly what?

[TreasonousBastard]

10. You didn't, but...

nobody brings up the TPP around here to praise it.

My question would be that since the TPP is dead for another year, why would anyone bother to call a talk show with an unfounded rumor about it? Or, why should anyone else care.

[Cleita]

12. Because unfounded rumors should be discussed in the light of day to

separate facts from fiction. It's how free people do it.

[Javaman]

17. one rumor by one annyonmous caller? really?

step away from the idiot box and take a deep breath.

[misterhighwasted]

13. That was weird. Nothing in your post is even controversial. You asked a question.

There is a lot of truth to be discussed as to the TPP rumor. Wherever it came from, because this is not something out of the blue.

It is something that should be concerning to anyone who has noticed the gradual loss of civil & human rights to exist in a freer world than where our ancestors came from. One's we once thought were guaranteed by our Constitution.

The day I watched Pres GW Bush standing at a podium waving a paper in his hand, smirking as he said, "The Constitution, it's just a piece of paper",became the day I questioned everything the Bush family had been involved in as to our government, since they arrived in America.
What I see with Global Corporations today goes straight to what they hinted at long before we realized the vulnerability of our democracy.
The Bush Criminal Enterprise has placed themselves in government positions to bring about this very thing we are staring at today.
They have had a hand in it from it's inception.

This seriously concerns me going into the 2016 election. The GOP cannot be allowed their last piece of the power puzzle.

And Cleita, you are right to ask about something this concerning.

Perhaps others can offer what they also find unnerving as to the TPP & to the Bush vow of a New World Order & how it evolved to where it sits today.

[AzDar]

20. Well-said.

[pampango]

14. I don't know who the caller was but the far right firmly believes massive immigration is in the TPP.

Obamatrade = Unrestricted Immigration
Sen. Jeff Sessions slams “trade” deals promoting immigration
White House confirms immigration is in Obamatrade
Join Donald Trump and tell Congress to stop Obama’s bad trade deal!

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[Cleita]

15. I want more information. It could be a very good trade deal for all I know, but I want to know

what's in the details, all of it. By being so secretive it's creating rumors like this and we have to get to the bottom of them because this rumor if true is very disturbing.

[octoberlib]

18. The Economist is saying it's dead.

The latest talks on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) did not end well and election timetables in Canada and the US mean that the prospect of a deal being ratified before the end of 2016 (at the earliest) is remote. The usual problem of agricultural markets was prominent, headlined by Canada's refusal to open its dairy sector. For New Zealand—one of the four founder countries of the TPP, along with Brunei, Chile and Singapore—this was a non-negotiable issue. Dairy was not the only problem. As usual, Japan was worried about cars and rice, and the US about patent protection for its pharma companies.

The TPP was probably doomed when the US joined, and certainly when Japan did. It then became more of a political project than an economic one. Big trade agreements had hitherto focused on physical goods, while the TPP had an aim of forging rules of trade beyond this in intellectual property, investment and services. China was a notable absence, and the US and Japan, in particular, were keen to set these rules with enough of the global economy behind them such that China would be forced into line later on. For now, the shape of international standards in these areas remains up for grabs. The next step for the TPP, if anything, is whether a smaller group—such as the founding four —will break away and go ahead on their own, with a much smaller share of global GDP involved, and in the hope that others will join later.

http://pages.eiu.com/index.php/email/emailWebview?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRouvK3NZKXonjHpfsX%2F4uwuUaKg38431UFwdcjKPmjr1YQFRMp0aPyQAgobGp5I5FEPQrPYRK1jt6QEXw%3D%3D

[Cleita]

19. If this is right. It is good news indeed. eom

[Rex]

22. I hope so, all the TPP does is benefit the 1%.

No thanks.

[msongs]

23. our president prefers that we know nothing about it. shhh it's a secret nt