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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:39 AM Aug 2015

One sentence that explains why Obama is struggling to finish his big trade deal

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade deal the United States is negotiating with 11 other Pacific Rim nations, is a big, complicated document. But if you want to boil the fight over the deal down to its essence, it would be hard to do better than this sentence from Jonathan Weisman at the New York Times, discussing why last week's negotiations in Hawaii didn't produce a deal:

Virtually all of the parties hated American
protections of pharmaceutical firms, but a
compromise on that issue could cost the
support of Republicans in Congress.

This is referring to "data exclusivity," an obscure but important provision of US pharmaceutical regulations. If the US gets other countries to adopt its approach, it could lead to less competition and higher prices for medicine in other TPP nations.

Before a company can introduce a new drug, it must convince the Food and Drug Administration that it's safe and effective. To prove that, companies conduct expensive clinical trials. Sometimes a second company will develop a drug that's chemically similar to an earlier drug and will want to use data from the first company's clinical trials in its own application. But for an important class of drugs called biologics, US law bars companies from doing this for 12 years, forcing these generic drugmakers to either do their own, redundant clinical trials or to wait until that period is over.

The US is trying to use the TPP to export this system to other Pacific Rim nations, most of which have data exclusivity periods for biologics of five or eight years. That would mean higher drug prices around the world, which is why public health groups like Doctors without Borders hate it.


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One sentence that explains why Obama is struggling to finish his big trade deal (Original Post) Agschmid Aug 2015 OP
Just to be clear though...those "unfair" drug regulations are the ones that WE live under. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #1
Yes, and they are unfair. We should not live under them, much less inflict them on other countries. djean111 Aug 2015 #3
There is no proposal to change these regulations for *us*. We are just supposed to pay up. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #4
I think it will take longer to get generics, and that Medicare won't be the only djean111 Aug 2015 #5
Think you are right. lark Aug 2015 #13
+1 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #14
Exactly, A Simple Game Aug 2015 #39
+100%! Enthusiast Aug 2015 #8
Hell yes.... daleanime Aug 2015 #10
+1000 BeanMusical Aug 2015 #15
We are also the only potential signatory on this deal ... staggerleem Aug 2015 #20
K&R! elias49 Aug 2015 #2
Well I'm glad to read that the complaints are about important ideals like democracy fasttense Aug 2015 #6
This is the ONLY time I'm feeling thankful for the insane self-destructive stubbornness of the GOP raindaddy Aug 2015 #7
The GOP voted for Fast Track, plus a handful of DINOs. djean111 Aug 2015 #26
I was responding to the article .... raindaddy Aug 2015 #30
Yes, it might, because evidently Obama and the GOP are in favor of jacked-up drug prices. djean111 Aug 2015 #31
Bingo! nt snappyturtle Aug 2015 #40
Two words that explain it: Corporate Imperialism Armstead Aug 2015 #9
and funny how imperialist techniques always return back home, isn't it? MisterP Aug 2015 #22
Some are willing to suffer themselves for democracy for all. raouldukelives Aug 2015 #37
I just keep reminding myself that Plucketeer Aug 2015 #11
Yes, absolutely! BeanMusical Aug 2015 #17
Yep. And that leads to the leverage to destroy Medicare. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #12
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #16
Two things.... Agschmid Aug 2015 #19
When the shit hit the fan people will forget about those other things. BeanMusical Aug 2015 #21
Obama has a lot of other things going for his legacy. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #32
I don't get the objection to this at all. randome Aug 2015 #18
Any evidence of problems from biologics? dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #24
But wouldn't this also mean that Canada (for example) couldn't sell us drugs erronis Aug 2015 #27
I probably tried to simplify this way too much. randome Aug 2015 #28
The US $ystem is rigged to rob Grandma of something she needs to fucking LIVE 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #29
As you know, Randome, I oppose the international JDPriestly Aug 2015 #33
Can only speak for those of us who live in Asia rpannier Aug 2015 #36
I'm not sure the motives for this are that pure Armstead Aug 2015 #38
The "American Way".... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #23
The article says drug companies that want to make generic biologic drugs must wait 12 years. senz Aug 2015 #25
I would much prefer to remember him for ACA n/t eridani Aug 2015 #34
You'll need a dose of cognitive dissonance to achieve that preference. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #35
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Yes, and they are unfair. We should not live under them, much less inflict them on other countries.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:56 AM
Aug 2015

Things will get worse here, too.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
5. I think it will take longer to get generics, and that Medicare won't be the only
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:00 AM
Aug 2015

entity forbidden to negotiate drug prices.

lark

(23,099 posts)
13. Think you are right.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:11 PM
Aug 2015

For us, the original patent holder can't come up with a 2nd use and extend the protection period. TPP would change that. So, yes, higher prices for the world, higher prices even for us. Everyone gets screwed except the giant pharmaceutical companies who make out like bandits. Who cares that this will cause lots and lots of extra deaths? Profits are all that matter to them.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
39. Exactly,
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:18 AM
Aug 2015
Who cares that this will cause lots and lots of extra deaths?


After all those deaths are mostly just, high risk, hurt the profit people... just like me.

It's like Grayson said: "Don't get sick, but if you do die quickly" except it would add "much more" in front of "quickly".
 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
20. We are also the only potential signatory on this deal ...
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

... that does NOT recognize health care as a RIGHT, not a privilege. That's what we call "American Exceptionalism" - because WE are the exception to the global "rules".

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
6. Well I'm glad to read that the complaints are about important ideals like democracy
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

And enviromental impact and NOT mere profits for one group of wealthy corporations. Oh wait.....

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. The GOP voted for Fast Track, plus a handful of DINOs.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:14 PM
Aug 2015

The GOP and Obama are BFFs for the purposes of the TPP. Isn't that great?

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
30. I was responding to the article ....
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 09:43 PM
Aug 2015

It stated that that not coming to an agreement over jacked up pharmaceutical prices might be a deal breaker for the GOP...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
31. Yes, it might, because evidently Obama and the GOP are in favor of jacked-up drug prices.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 09:49 PM
Aug 2015

This is why the Fast Track was so very important to Obama and the GOP, because now they can say oh, darn, yes that sucks - but we cannot change a word of it, sorry! and then collect their rewards.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
37. Some are willing to suffer themselves for democracy for all.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 07:24 AM
Aug 2015

And some invest and labor for the corporate ends. Denying democracy to all in their path and profiting from the expansion of suffering to others.

For them, democracy is a game.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
11. I just keep reminding myself that
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:44 PM
Aug 2015

I've actually, voluntarily VOTED for some of the so-called "representatives" who are trying to get this trade agreement instituted.

GOOD GOD, we need a Sanders/Warren administration!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
19. Two things....
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:29 PM
Aug 2015

- This might not pass so it may not be his legacy.
- Obama has a lot of other things going for his legacy.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
21. When the shit hit the fan people will forget about those other things.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

I sure hope that it will not pass but I won't hold my breath.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. Obama has a lot of other things going for his legacy.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:13 PM
Aug 2015

I think that the TPP would harm Obama's legacy.

But it might get him a lucrative job when he needs it to put his kids through college and live "the life."

I like Obama but I question his motives on the TPP.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. I don't get the objection to this at all.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:22 PM
Aug 2015

We already have this system in place in America. It sounds like a good system in that a new drug that might be chemically similar to an existing drug could also have unforeseen consequences. So the new drug maker needs to do their own research instead of piggy-backing on someone else's research.

So is this really an attempt to keep generics out of the market or is it a safety issue? And so what would be anyone's alternative? Just let drugs blossom without additional research and keep our fingers crossed?
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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
24. Any evidence of problems from biologics?
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:10 PM
Aug 2015

If so, you may have a point, although these nations are already operating on their terms (shorter period where replicating the whole testing procedure is required) and apparently aren't having any or a lot of problems from biologics that aren't already problems in the original drug.

I think it's really about increasing profits for the pharmaceuticals.

erronis

(15,257 posts)
27. But wouldn't this also mean that Canada (for example) couldn't sell us drugs
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:56 PM
Aug 2015

At a more reasonable price?

There are more and more US citizens who are traveling abroad to have medical procedures and purchase drugs because of the lock-in of the US companies. It seems like these agreements just let the corporations spread their poorfare (vs. welfare) around the globe.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. I probably tried to simplify this way too much.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
29. The US $ystem is rigged to rob Grandma of something she needs to fucking LIVE
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 08:46 PM
Aug 2015

if she isn't lucky enough to put a 2nd mortgage on her home to pay for it.

And the US is trying to foist this ^ atrocity on the rest of the world,
who aren't as stupid as US voters apparently are.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. As you know, Randome, I oppose the international
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015

arbitration courts that give multinational corporations an unfair advantage over the citizens of countries, the governments, especially regional governments within countries and peopl all over the world.

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
36. Can only speak for those of us who live in Asia
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 06:36 AM
Aug 2015

Prescription drugs are inexpensive here because the government regulates cost (and the government regulates their safety, so your concern for the safety of the drugs is moot)
Pharmaceutical companies (US Pharmaceutical companies) are trying to undermine that by having governments here in Asia unable to control the prices
It may come as a shock to some people, but we're pretty advanced over here. And we do a fine job of regulating prescription drugs

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
38. I'm not sure the motives for this are that pure
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:11 AM
Aug 2015

Obviously, research and regulation are good things.

But regulations are the purview of government. In other countries that means their governments, not ours or worse yet, corporations.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. The article says drug companies that want to make generic biologic drugs must wait 12 years.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015

I am reminded of a very nice commenter here whose mother has rheumatoid arthritis, is still working, must take public transportation and cannot afford the biologic drugs her doctor has prescribed to relieve her RA pain and disability.

I respect the nations that see how greedy and abusive our drug companies are. I hope they can force the administration to relent. And I wonder how much power ($$$) these drug companies have that they can set the terms for an entire region of the world?

Too big to fail? Too big to coexist with the rest of the world.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
35. You'll need a dose of cognitive dissonance to achieve that preference.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:42 AM
Aug 2015

The huge capital spent on the TPP will forever be part of his legacy too.

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