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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI was listening to a Trump interview on Morning Joe ...
I was struck by how closely what he was saying tracked with some voices on DU:
Trump on the ACA: It's just a give away to the insurance companies.
Trump on Blacks and Hispanics: I'm going to win with them both because all they want jobs that won't get shipped to China
Trump on Foreign Affairs: All we have to do is be tough with the other guy and tell them what to do. Deal with it.
Trump on everything: I don't have to follow the rules because I know more/better.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)This is a spot on observation.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)As if we needed further evidence that DU is becoming strange space ... a poll hit DU indicating 19% of likely voting Democrats would support Trump in a 3rd Party run (9% very likely).
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)the question is worded. I would HIGHLY support a third party run by Trump. Will just make it easier for the Democratic nominee to win.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)It's just a giveaway to the insurance companies, so we need to get rid of the ACA and go back to totally private insurance.
There's some nuance you glossed over.
The 'voices on DU' say it's a giveaway to insurance companies, so we need to get rid private insurance out of it and go single payer.
Likewise, while Trump might say 'jobs that don't get shipped overseas', he doesn't walk the walk, and has said he 'has to outsource' to 'compete' when asked about his various product lines already made abroad.
Foreign affairs: Yup, there's an authoritarian, hawkish contingent on DU. Certainly not the same folks as the ones who think ACA is a giveaway to pharma and insurance, or the people who want domestic jobs, though.
Trump on everything: Sorry? You seem to have accidentally posted a statement from the Clintons after this one.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But why do this?
Reflexive reaction?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)You're joking, right?
That's been the Clinton mantra for decades. It's the story of their political lives, from kinky sex in the Oval Office to private email servers at State. It's the thing they both do best.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"I don't have to follow the rules because I know more/better. "
A not so thinly veiled swipe at Sanders
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Sanders follows the rules, and has won election after election doing so. What he doesn't follow is 'conventional wisdom'.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)riversedge
(70,218 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)And Mika too.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)who say they support his being a candidate. Very different things. In 2008 for example, 10% of Democrats voted for McCain, 9% of Republicans voted for Obama. 2012, 7% of Democrats for Mitt, 6% of Republicans for Obama. 1992, Bush and Clinton each got 10% of the other Party. And so on....
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)says about 9% of Democrats would vote for him, which is very similar to the percentage of members of each Party who vote for the other Party in every cycle. In that way, it means very little about Trump in specific because all the candidates of both Parties get similar percentage of cross over votes as is predicted in this poll.
All this polling tells me is that every cycle, a percentage of each Party votes for the other and that range tends to be between 6 and 10% and the range is almost always virtually identical for each of the candidates, off by a point or two at most. It's about the electorate, not the candidates.
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)In 1992, 38% of the Perot vote was from Democrats and 38% was from republicans. I think that the ratios will be very different if Trump runs
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Probably because he never said that. Which puts him about 180 degrees in opposition to the ACA critics here on DU.
And "Trump on Foreign Affairs" sounds eerily similar to "Hillary Clinton on Foreign Affairs".
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)When he turned to how the country might achieve universal coverage, Trump focused like a laser beam on a Canadian-style, single-payer plan. He said it would eliminate many billions of dollars of overhead.
"The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America," he wrote. "We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
Ever the pragmatist, Trump noted change would not happen overnight.
"While we work out details of a new single-payer plan, there are a number of ways to make the health care system now in place work more efficiently," Trump wrote.
So, its fair to say that in 2000, Trump supported a Canadian-style health care plan.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jul/24/erick-erickson/conservative-columnist-trump-once-backed-single-pa/
INdemo
(6,994 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)he's desperate to find something that isn't just poisonous to the rest of the country. So now Joe is saying Trump's gonna win the presidency for the repukes...at long last, a savior for the GOP...ha...
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)"Trump on everything: I don't have to follow the rules because I know more/better. "
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