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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:53 PM Aug 2015

The New Climate "Normal": Abrupt Sea Level Rise and Predictions of Civilization Collapse


The New Climate "Normal": Abrupt Sea Level Rise and Predictions of Civilization Collapse

Monday, 03 August 2015 00:00
By Dahr Jamail, Truthout | Report


We know things are a bit "off" when a rainforest is on fire.

Over 400 acres of the Queets Rainforest, located in Olympic National Park in Washington State, nearby where I live, have burned recently, and it is continuing to burn as I type this. Fires in these rainforests have historically been rare, as the area typically receives in excess of 200 inches of rain annually.

But this is all changing now.

The new normal is that there is no longer any "normal."

The new normal regarding climate disruption is that, for the planet, today is better than tomorrow.

.....(snip).....

As if that's not enough, Hansen's study comes on the heels of another study published in Science, which shows that global sea levels could rise by at least 20 feet, even if governments manage to keep global temperature increases to within the agreed upon "safe" limit of 2 degrees Celsius. The study warns that it is quite possible that 75 feet of sea level rise could well already be unstoppable given current carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere and recent studies that show how rapidly Greenland and several Antarctic ice sheets are melting. ...............(more)

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/32131-the-new-climate-normal-abrupt-sea-level-rise-and-predictions-of-civilization-collapse




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The New Climate "Normal": Abrupt Sea Level Rise and Predictions of Civilization Collapse (Original Post) marmar Aug 2015 OP
Agreed. cilla4progress Aug 2015 #1
wow - what a sobering (and sadly, not surprising) read. NRaleighLiberal Aug 2015 #2
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #3
kick, kick, kick.... daleanime Aug 2015 #4
Human civilization exceeded the capacity of the earth to nurture it JDPriestly Aug 2015 #5
Good, sober read... haikugal Aug 2015 #6
Lots of us have wondered and asked if we have passed the tipping point Hydra Aug 2015 #7
Climate change is, without a doubt, by far ... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2015 #8
Very true. But I think the only solution in part is glinda Aug 2015 #9
I disagree that climate change is the biggest. cstanleytech Aug 2015 #10
Population and climate change are two sides of the same coin. hay rick Aug 2015 #13
I agree...cause and effect... tex-wyo-dem Aug 2015 #19
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #11
Ugh Egnever Aug 2015 #12
Not sure it's greed but a singular unwillingness to think outside the Present. randome Aug 2015 #18
Grim and Grimmer. hedda_foil Aug 2015 #14
Let's keep kicking until people get it. Admiral Loinpresser Aug 2015 #15
Dahr minces no words and tells it like it is. 7wo7rees Aug 2015 #16
k and r snagglepuss Aug 2015 #17

cilla4progress

(24,733 posts)
1. Agreed.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:55 PM
Aug 2015

Better get ready. My reading is telling me that extra-terrestrials are watching and will be intervening shortly.

Sounds like I'm kidding ...

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
5. Human civilization exceeded the capacity of the earth to nurture it
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:13 PM
Aug 2015

some time ago.

Is there really anything we can do to prevent a total or near total collapse?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Lots of us have wondered and asked if we have passed the tipping point
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:22 PM
Aug 2015

And I fear the answer is: A long time ago.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
8. Climate change is, without a doubt, by far ...
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:40 PM
Aug 2015

The most important issue of our time. Everything else pales in comarison, because if you don't have a livable planet, nothing else really matters.

I came to the conclusion several years ago that a major shift in awareness, attitudes, technonogy and lifestyles was going to have to happen in a hurry to have a snowball's chance (you know the thing Inhofe threw on the Senate floor trying to make the point that global warming was not real) of averting societal catastrophe. I've had little hope that this could ever happen, but the recent and rapid shift in attitudes towards same-sex marriage has given me some positivity that we will see the same sort of transformation towards CC.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
9. Very true. But I think the only solution in part is
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:56 PM
Aug 2015

that those who are pressing the actions that continue to obstruct and promote must be warned or imprisoned. I see no other way unless we are just going to stand around talking about it forever and a day.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
10. I disagree that climate change is the biggest.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:57 AM
Aug 2015

Sure its in the top 5 atleast but the #1 is our total population, thats just not sustainable in the long term even if the climate wasnt changing.

hay rick

(7,613 posts)
13. Population and climate change are two sides of the same coin.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:34 AM
Aug 2015

Our climate would not be modified by human activity if we had fewer people OR a much more efficient economy in terms of carbon footprint per person. Our current technology does not allow us to support our current population without increasing CO2 levels in the atmosphere. The problem can be diagnosed as too many people or inadequate technology. Either way we're fucking up big time.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
19. I agree...cause and effect...
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 04:30 PM
Aug 2015

The effect is climate change, and the causes are numerous: over-population is right at the top of the list of direct causes.

Response to tex-wyo-dem (Reply #8)

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
12. Ugh
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:32 AM
Aug 2015
"We need the deniers to get out of the way. They are risking everyone's future," Box told Esquire. "The Koch brothers are criminals.... They should be charged with criminal activity because they're putting the profits of their business ahead of the livelihoods of millions of people, and even life on earth."


I don't understand greed of that magnitude. It just does not compute.


 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Not sure it's greed but a singular unwillingness to think outside the Present.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015

The Future implies aging and death so it's better to ignore it. Pretend that everything is fine.
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hedda_foil

(16,374 posts)
14. Grim and Grimmer.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:04 AM
Aug 2015
More bad news for the planets' oceans comes from a recent study that shows that plankton, the basis of the entire food chain, are threatened by ocean acidification. Some species of plankton will die out, while others will flourish, creating an imbalance that the report's authors say will be "a big problem," given that plankton produce half the total oxygen supply for the planet.

Pause for a moment before reading further and ponder the implications of that: The source of the world's oxygen is in major peril.

<snip>

Box thinks there is at least a 50 percent probability that the world is already on track to go well over the 2-degree Celsius politically accepted maximum limit of global warming, and agrees with most climate scientists that we are on a trajectory toward more like 4-5-degree Celsius warming in the near to mid-term future.

When asked what amount of warming would throw Greenland into irreversible ice loss, Box answered "between two and three degrees."

When Greenland goes, that is enough sea level rise to destroy every coastal city on the planet. Speaking of Antarctica, Box said: "Abrupt sea level rise is upon us."


7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
16. Dahr minces no words and tells it like it is.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:41 AM
Aug 2015

He is an amazing young man. We had the privilege of dining with him at the Vets for Peace National Convention in 2005.

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