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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:10 PM Aug 2015

Indiana public school punishes 7-year-old with ‘banishment’ for not believing in God: lawsuit

A lawsuit recently filed against a teacher at Forest Park Elementary School in Indiana alleged that a 7-year-old student was “banished” from sitting with other students at lunch after he revealed that he did not believe in God.

According to the lawsuit obtained by The Washington Post, second grade teacher Michelle Myer interrogated the student, who was identified with the initials A.B., about his religious beliefs after he told his classmates on the playground that he did not go to church because he did not believe in God.

As a result, the child was ordered to sit by himself during lunch for a three-day period.

“The defendant’s actions caused great distress to A.B. and resulted in the child being ostracized by his peers past the three-day ‘banishment.'”

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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/indiana-public-school-punishes-7-year-old-with-banishment-for-not-believing-in-god-lawsuit/

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Indiana public school punishes 7-year-old with ‘banishment’ for not believing in God: lawsuit (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2015 OP
That is NO public school, elleng Aug 2015 #1
That teacher is a really messed up person get the red out Aug 2015 #2
Yes, and she should be fired...no text...k and r. Stuart G Aug 2015 #3
Absolutely sickening. hifiguy Aug 2015 #4
Anyone involved should be fired. Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #7
Hopefully, the courts do the right thing. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #5
This article breaks down the lawsuit by describing the incident line by line: Contrary1 Aug 2015 #6
This simply beggared my imagination hifiguy Aug 2015 #8
If there is any justice (given the location, I'm not sanguine) DFW Aug 2015 #9
Damn! I lived in fundie hell when I was 6-7 years old and never went to church or said shit about... JanMichael Aug 2015 #10
wow............. Takket Aug 2015 #11
How did the school district allow this to get to this point? Generic Brad Aug 2015 #12
There's a very real prejudice against non believers by believers. herding cats Aug 2015 #13

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
2. That teacher is a really messed up person
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 04:54 PM
Aug 2015

This is where the religious right has gone, punishing other people's kids for not obeying their beliefs.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Absolutely sickening.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:53 PM
Aug 2015

That asshole teacher should be fired, YESTERDAY and never, ever be allowed in a public school classroom as long as she lives.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
6. This article breaks down the lawsuit by describing the incident line by line:
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 07:43 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.peacock-panache.com/2015/08/forest-park-elementary-school-indiana-punishes-7-year-old-for-being-an-atheist-11270.html

Thanks for posting this. I live here in the still-partying-like-it's-the-18th century state of Indiana, and had not heard this.

K&R
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. This simply beggared my imagination
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 08:40 PM
Aug 2015

Quote from the complaint/story, emphasis mine:

7. On or about February 23, 2015, A.B. and his classmates were on the playground during the school day immediately before lunch when A.B. was asked by one of his classmates if he attended church.

10. A.B. responded by stating that he did not go to church and did not believe in God. He also stated that it was fine with him if his inquiring classmate believed in God.

11. The classmate said that A.B. had hurt her feelings by saying that he did not believe in God and started to cry.

12. A playground supervisor reported to [A.B.’s teacher] what had happened.

13. At that point the students were going to lunch and [the teacher] asked A.B. if he had told the girl that he did not believe in God and A.B. said he had and asked what he had done wrong.

14. [The teacher] asked A.B. if he went to church, whether his family went to church, and whether his mother knew how he felt about God.

15. She also asked A.B. if he believed that maybe God exists.

16. [The teacher] told A.B. that she was very concerned about what he had done and that she was going to contact his mother — although she never did.

17. This was very upsetting to A.B. as he was made to feel that he had done something wrong.

So this kid answers another kid's question honestly and he gets punished for it because the other kids pwecious fee-fees were hurt by something that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with her?

Continuing on

18. A day or two after the initial incident, A.B. and his fellow-student who had become upset with his comment on the playground were sent to another adult employed at Forest Park Elementary School.

19. This person asked them what the problem was and A.B. indicated that his classmate had become upset when, in response to her question, he had said he did not go to church and did not believe in God.

20. Upon hearing this, the adult employee looked at A.B.’s classmate and stated that she should not be worried and should be happy she has faith and that she should not listen to A.B.’s bad ideas. She then patted the little girl’s hand.

21. This was, again, extremely upsetting to A.B. as it reinforced his feeling that he had done something very wrong.

22. On the day of the incident and for an additional two days thereafter, [the teacher] required that A.B. sit by himself during lunch and told him he should not talk to the other students and stated that this was because he had offended them. This served to reinforce A.B.’s feeling that he had committed some transgression that justified his exclusion.



DFW

(54,409 posts)
9. If there is any justice (given the location, I'm not sanguine)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 08:47 PM
Aug 2015

The teacher should be jailed for the duration of the time this poor kid is mistreated by his classmates, and not let out until the boy is once again treated as an equal by his classmates. Let this perverse "teacher" sit behind bars until the suffering of her victim is over. If that is 6 years or more, then so be it. I do not consider this "cruel and unusual punishment" any more than what she has meted out to her victim. Maybe then, she will understand the evil she has wrought.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
10. Damn! I lived in fundie hell when I was 6-7 years old and never went to church or said shit about...
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 08:53 PM
Aug 2015

...god gods or God.

I left bible study on the weekends after two weeks when I was 6 because I was basically un-awed by bible stories. They meant nothing to me. I was not the brain washers favorite. I asked to be freed from going and my parents agreed. I was never singled out though. Maybe people were just a little more polite and civil in 1974 (qualification - in lilly white low middle class america)?

Takket

(21,578 posts)
11. wow.............
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:00 PM
Aug 2015

this is about as cut and dry as a civil case gets. A.B.'s rights have been trampled on. glad the parents are suing!

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
12. How did the school district allow this to get to this point?
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:06 PM
Aug 2015

Clearly the teacher was out of line and should have been reprimanded, corrected, asked to apologize, etc. This is clearly a violation of the separation of church and state. But more importantly, this is bullying of a child by an adult. That poor kid!

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
13. There's a very real prejudice against non believers by believers.
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:16 PM
Aug 2015

I'm in no way defending this horrible teachers actions, quite the opposite actually. I just think it's something we should address as a society, and here as a group of Progressives. If you're an atheist, or in this case just a child who says they don't believe in the societal construct of a supreme being, you're seen as being untrustworthy, and in this case deserving of punishment. I find I lie all the time and say that I'm not religious, but believe in a supreme being/power. Which I don't, not really. I just say it so I don't suffer the social backlash associated with my lack of beliefs. I'm kind, compassionate and generous to a fault. I'd never harm anyone intentionally and I believe in being good for the sake of bettering our society. Yet people would think less of me if they knew I don't believe in a supreme being. That's just messed up.

Atheists Inspire Thoughts of Death in Many Americans

Atheists consistently rank among the lowest of the low in the court of American public opinion. Now, research suggests one reason

In fact, prompting people to think about atheism triggered death-related thoughts just as strongly as, well, directly prompting people to think about death, a new study finds. These death thoughts help trigger a subconscious dislike of atheists, said study leader Corey Cook, a social psychologist at the University of Washington, Tacoma. Not only do thoughts of death put people in a negative frame of mind, Cook told Live Science, but they also prompt people to hold more tightly onto their own values.

“There’s a little circular thing going on where encountering atheism will make people grasp their values closer and then become more negative because atheists are perceived as not having values,” Cook said.

Anti-atheist prejudice

Atheists in America have an image problem. Studies and surveys consistently rank nonbelievers as untrustworthy, threatening and un-American. Researchers reporting in a 2011 paper published in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology even found that people viewed atheists as equally untrustworthy as rapists.

http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/atheists-inspire-thoughts-of-death-in-many-americans-150523.htm


Just a bit of food for thought. This is a bigger issue than just this one very messed up incident. There's no real way for us to separate church and state if our society can't accept that there is a real bias here.
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