How to truly stop abortions...

[Archae]

[WestCoastLib]

1. It's a strange use of a pretty sexist idea...

With the happy woman in each panel as the men's junk is locked up, it seems like a strange reinforcement of that stupid canard that Women don't enjoy sex, but only Men do.

[Archae]

2. I'd put one group into those.

"Pro-lifers."

They seem to have a problem with keeping it in their pants anyway.

[WestCoastLib]

3. The Christian Right is very much into sexual Repression

It never works out well.

[Major Nikon]

28. It's not their sex life they want to regulate, it's everyone else's

[Hydra]

4. I think it's more that men don't have babies

But lead the charge against women who don't want them.

As to the idea that women would be happier without "duties" of that nature, you'll have to ask them. I've seen both types of happy parties.

[Major Nikon]

29. ...

[Hydra]

33. I don't believe I said no women were involved

Or even that it's more than half men doing it- just that the political cartoon correctly calls it for that situation. The male in Congress finds it easy argue against women's rights while they happily frolic with their favorite males or females.

[Major Nikon]

34. You said men lead the charge

Most anti-abortion activists are women. To be more accurate and less sexist, the cartoon should have also included women getting their naughty bits clamped down.

[Hydra]

35. Huh, then I must have imagined this:

Please feel free to comment on the women involved, because I know there are more than a few...but if it were ONLY the women in the anti-abortion movement, how much traction would they have, do you think? Also, how many female pastors preaching from the pulpit?

[Major Nikon]

36. I didn't say it was only women

I said, "Most anti-abortion activists are women." Posting half-fast comments from wingnut dipshits doesn't change the demographics of those who are at the front of the movement.

The reality is that mostly women are leading the charge.

This is the oldest and largest organization of forced-birthers:
http://www.nrlc.org/6-2/national-right-to-life-president-carol-tobias/

[Yupster]

22. No sex means the end of the human race and the woman is cheering

For sure one of the oddest cartoons I've ever seen.

[PeaceNikki]

24. The point, which missed you I guess, is that you cannot stop abortions.

It's a stupid, unachievable and dangerous goal.

[Yupster]

26. Yeah - I missed that if it was the point

I just thought the author was bashing men in general.

[840high]

5. Birth control is available.

[calimary]

8. That's awfully easy to say - when one is not confronted by pharmacists who claim their religion

says they don't have to fill your legal birth control prescription,
or when one hasn't been knocked up during rape,
or when one wasn't homeschooled by parents who taught abstinence-only,
or when one wasn't in a school where "sex education class" was all about abstinence-only,
or when bedroom busybody governors and state legislatures didn't continue their assault on women's reproductive rights (and don't stop til they get anti-contraception legislation turned into law,
or when one's only source for birth control is Planned Parenthood (which in many ways is pretty much on the ropes),
or when CON governors and state legislatures refuse to implement the ACA and/or state exchanges,
or when one works at companies like Hobby Lobby that whine about their "sincerely held 'beliefs'" override their female employees needs for contraception in their employer-provided health insurance package,
...and the list goes on.

But yeah, I suppose you could say birth control is "available."

[840high]

9. A pharmacist denying to fill a prescription

is very rare. Condoms are available everywhere.

[jeff47]

14. Condoms are around 86% effective in the real world.

Which means you still have millions of abortions.

Even the most reliable birth control - vasectomy/tubal ligation - has a failure rate.

And that doesn't even get to cases where the fetus has something like trisomy-10 which will kill it in under a year. Or when the woman develops a medical problem where the pregnancy will kill her. Such as my wife.

[gollygee]

30. It isn't rare

It happened to me, and I've talked to other women it's happened to. It might happen more often in more conservative areas than liberal areas, but it isn't rare. I had the option to simply start going to a different pharmacy, but if you live in a conservative area with few pharmacies, it can have a pretty big effect on your life.

And condoms don't have a great success rate.

[Yupster]

23. Yeah, birth control is available

Condoms are at every 7-11 and free in many other places.

[calimary]

37. Well then, there shouldn't be a problem, since all sexually active men

just automatically and always take precautions, without fail, correct? All rapists certainly are thoughtful about that, aren't they?

Furthermore, condoms are NOT universally free. Plus, some women have so little money that they have trouble buying FOOD, much less a pack of Trojans. And if she's already trying to look for a job, bargain for child care, and take care of kids (particularly if she's a single head of household), maybe she doesn't have time to drive to some inconvenient place to pick up free condoms.

Furthermore, birth control meds are sometimes prescribed for other reasons than for pregnancy prevention. Several young girls in my daughter's classes - and as I recall, mine, too - had them prescribed for severe cramps and drastically irregular periods. This was long before any of them became sexually active. If the pill was available over-the-counter, at any 7-11 for example, does anyone doubt that women would readily exercise that option?

[Yupster]

39. Wow - people really are helpless aren't they?

Too inconvenient to pick up a free condom. Too broke to buy one for a dollar.

And we trust these people to make important decisions like whether to have kids or not?

[PeaceNikki]

10. They don't stop abortions. They can help to prevent pregnancy.

But not always.

[840high]

16. Anything such as bc or condoms is

worth using. If does not work at least you tried. Now I have too much to do today to argue this point. See you later.

[PeaceNikki]

20. Worth using? Sure. Will they stop abortions, hell no. You're the one who brought BC up in context of

stopping abortions. Which is frankly ridiculous and worth correcting you.

[840high]

31. I never said bc stops abortions. BC

might reduce abortions.

[PeaceNikki]

32. In an OP titled "How to truly stop abortions" your first reply was

"Birth control is available." That's all you said. No more, no less.

If you meant that easier access would not stop them but could help reduce them, you should have said that. As your post stands, it was a flippant and inaccurate and worthy of correction.

The idea that abortions can and should be stopped is dangerous.

[JTFrog]

41. Don't try and walk it back now.

Your first post in this thread was ignorant as all hell and you got called on it. Now you wanna pretend you weren't jumping in here and being rude and dismissive.... fine. But you aren't doing a good job of convincing anyone.

[AwakeAtLast]

40. I'm sure that is the first thing a rapist thinks. n/t

[sarge43]

6. Contraceptives can fail.

The most desired pregnancy can go horribly wrong. Either we have safe, legal abortion or we have dangerous, illegal ones. I'd say the choice is clear.

[The Jungle 1]

7. Obamacare

Obamacare has done more to reduce abortion than anything the lunatic right ever did. Yet he gets no credit from anyone. Not even his supports.

Healthcare
Real jobs
Daycare
All reduce abortion.

Trying to outlaw abortion is just plain stupid. It didn't work before and it won't work if tried again.

[TexasBushwhacker]

21. Yup, reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies

with education and contraception. Improve the economy with good jobs so when unplanned pregnancies happen, the woman doesn't feel forced to abort because of finances. The number one reason women have abortions is that they simply can't afford to care for the child. Most women who have abortions are married or in a long term relationship and most already have at least one child.

[raging moderate]

11. Not junk, but jewels. Family jewels.

When I was young, in that time and that place, we did not call them "men's junk." We called these parts of men their family jewels. It would not hurt us to return to this kind old phrase, now that we women have gained so much in self esteem. And it might help upright men in their task of encouraging the others to use this particular piece of equipment more judiciously.

[valerief]

12. Not with Viagra, that's for sure! nt

[pansypoo53219]

13. womb envy.+ ITS OUR DUTY!

[lark]

15. Love it!

Funny how Repugs always blame the girl/woman and never the man when 9 times out of 10 young girls are pushed into having sex. Why is it women's responsibility to prevent pregnancies and not equally the responsibility of men?

I told my husband after our first child that I'd be responsible for not getting pregnant (at my dr's strong urging due to problems with my pregnancy) for the next 18 mo. and after that it was up to him because I really wanted 2 children. The first day I became fertile after the 18 months, we were getting frisky & I warned my husband that he might want to use a condom otherwise I'd probably get pregnant. He didn't and I did and my beautiful smart daughter is the result..

[higherarkies]

25. Both are responsible in the best-case-scenario sense, perhaps, but

that's not always what happens. Sometimes pregnancies occur without the consent of the female. Therefore, I would not consider her "responsible", and in my opinion your assertion is fallacious.

[JTFrog]

42. Like when she's raped?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Your posts in this thread sure read like you are trolling on this issue.

[SoapBox]

18. Our house has said this for years...

And we're male.

[SheilaT]

19. Or irreversible vasectomies on all males

at age 9 or so. Of course, then people would slowly disappear, which would actually do the planet a favor. Perhaps the next time an intelligent species evolved it would be more responsible about everything.

But more to the point, women do not get pregnant all by themselves. The availability of birth control is a huge start, but most methods have some known failure rate, and has already been pointed out, pregnancies can go wrong in various ways.

Women will always be getting abortions. Anyone who thinks that no one got one prior to Roe v Wade, or that they were incredibly uncommon then, is an ignorant fool.

I'm old enough to remember well before Roe v. Wade, and I'd say women have been getting abortions at pretty much the same rate before and after.

[Warpy]

27. Wait a few years, have them make deposits at 2-3 sperm banks

to insure the survival if one goes offline, and then do the vasectomy.

It's the best of all worlds, they get to sow wild oats and know there will be crop failure and every child will be a wanted child.

However, it will not stop abortion completely. There are still medical conditions that threaten maternal health so gravely that pregnancies must be terminated or both will die. There will also be fetal abnormalities that are inconsistent with life.

No one will have to go to a clinic and be confronted with angry fake Christians because the birth control didn't work. That will be a great benefit of this.

[hunter]

38. My anti-abortion Catholic heretic "choose life" mom, mother of me and many siblings...

... told us any babies we had wold be welcomed into her household.

Traditionally our family is matriarchal, both my mom's and dad's side.

My mom talks very frankly about sex, always. Sometimes too much so.

This is how babies happen.

I don't remember quite the exact age, but maybe I was three years old when I figured it out.

I'm ten years older than my youngest sibling. I was changing sibling's diapers before I'd thought about sex.

My wife's mom, a similar sort of Catholic, when my wife inquired as a child about sex, her mom said "it's fun!," followed by many explicit safety details..

It's silence that messes kids up. Kids should know all about the "birds and the bees" long before they start dreaming about sex.

My own siblings and I were so terrified of making any new siblings in our overcrowded house that none of us did until we'd left home and established our own independent households.