Hunting Lions - Even Presidents Have Done It.

[MineralMan]

It still sucks, but here's a photo of Teddy Roosevelt on safari, with another photo of Earnest Hemingway with his "trophy":



Different times and places, but the same activity. Life's random.

[chalmers]

2. Ernest Hemingway was a selfish prick

Best thing he did for humanity was when he took his own life.

[shenmue]

5. Wow

[MineralMan]

6. Lovely...

[Orrex]

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[procon]

3. No, its not even comparable.

People did a lot ignorant, thoughtless and horrible things in the past, but our society has matured as we learned and adapted to changing views and established the acceptable boundaries that define our culture and way of life. To say that some men once did stupid stuff like killing animals to satisfy their machismo, is no different than the similar excuses that we've recently heard to justify keeping the confederate flag.

[Zorra]

4. Of course they have. They were taught that it is ok, even a good thing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027022953#post13

[hunter]

7. This is the 21st century.

The world is a much, much smaller place.

Shooting a lion these days is the same as shooting your neighbor's cat. It makes you a despicable asshole.

Look at all those people who climb Mt. Everest. Sometimes (before the earthquake) it looked as crowded as Yosemite, but with a lot more litter. Is that adventure? Certainly it's dangerous, but it's just another experience that can be bought. Simple tourism.

There are adventures left on the planet, like the Google scientist, Alan Eustace who holds the world freefall record, putting on a pressure suit and a parachute, clipping himself to a big balloon, and up, up, and away!

People who cross oceans in small sailboats or recreations of ancient craft, I think that's adventure.

I suppose the people who put on wing-suits and manage not to smash themselves dead against the rocks (until they do...) are adventurers too.

Field biologists looking for new species, photographers of remote places... there are still many adventurers.

In this modern world hunting like Roosevelt or Hemingway did is just stupid. It was stupid then too, but people didn't know as much.

[BillZBubb]

8. Times change, things change...thank goodness.

Those 20th century macho men now seem ridiculous.

[WinkyDink]

9. Same activity, different cultural milieu. Maybe the dentist can copy Papa in another way, too.

[MineralMan]

10. Write novels?

[NV Whino]

11. And, your point is?

[MineralMan]

12. Times change. What else?

What did you think I meant?

[NV Whino]

13. I think your post is pointless.

[MineralMan]

14. Oh, OK...

Thanks for letting me know.

[Zorra]

15. US Presidents have hunted human beings, also. Literally.

Here's one example ~

Indian-Killer Andrew Jackson Deserves Top Spot on List of Worst U.S. Presidents

Andrew Jackson: A man nicknamed “Indian killer” and “Sharp Knife” surely deserves the top spot on a list of worst U.S. Presidents. Andrew Jackson “was a forceful proponent of Indian removal,” according to PBS. Others have a less genteel way of describing the seventh president of the United States.

“Andrew Jackson was a wealthy slave owner and infamous Indian killer, gaining the nickname ‘Sharp Knife’ from the Cherokee,” writes Amargi on the website Unsettling America: Decolonization in Theory & Practice. “He was also the founder of the Democratic Party, demonstrating that genocide against indigenous people is a nonpartisan issue. His first effort at Indian fighting was waging a war against the Creeks. President Jefferson had appointed him to appropriate Creek and Cherokee lands. In his brutal military campaigns against Indians, Andrew Jackson recommended that troops systematically kill Indian women and children after massacres in order to complete the extermination. The Creeks lost 23 million acres of land in southern Georgia and central Alabama, paving the way for cotton plantation slavery. His frontier warfare and subsequent ‘negotiations’ opened up much of the southeast U.S. to settler colonialism.”

Jackson was not only a genocidal maniac against the Indigenous Peoples of the southwest, he was also racist against African peoples and a scofflaw who “violated nearly every standard of justice,” according to historian Bertram Wyatt-Brown. As a major general in 1818, Jackson invaded Spanish Florida chasing fugitive slaves who had escaped with the intent of returning them to their “owners,” and sparked the First Seminole War. During the conflict, Jackson captured two British men, Alexander George Arbuthnot and Robert C. Ambrister, who were living among the Seminoles. The Seminoles had resisted Jackson’s invasion of their land. One of the men had written about his support for the Seminoles’ land and treaty rights in letters found on a boat. Jackson used the “evidence” to accuse the men of “inciting” the Seminoles to “savage warfare” against the U.S. He convened a “special court martial” tribunal then had the men executed. “His actions were a study in flagrant disobedience, gross inequality and premeditated ruthlessness… he swept through Florida, crushed the Indians, executed Arbuthnot and Ambrister, and violated nearly every standard of justice,” Wyatt-Brown wrote.

In 1830, a year after he became president, Jackson signed a law that he had proposed – the Indian Removal Act – which legalized ethnic cleansing. Within seven years 46,000 indigenous people were removed from their homelands east of the Mississippi. Their removal gave 25 million acres of land “to white settlement and to slavery,” according to PBS. The area was home to the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole nations. In the Trail of Tears alone, 4,000 Cherokee people died of cold, hunger, and disease on their way to the western lands.

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/02/20/indian-killer-andrew-jackson-deserves-top-spot-list-worst-us-presidents-98997

[MineralMan]

16. Very true.

[Coventina]

18. Still the same root cause: male insecurity

Teddy Roosevelt was afraid of being sickly and weak, or being perceived as such.
So, he overcompensated.

Still a mental illness.

Still no excuse.

Same with Hemingway.