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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:18 PM Jul 2015

Young woman with cancer is killing herself via alternative treatment

From Respectful Insolence, of course.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/07/28/another-unnecessary-death-in-the-making-thanks-to-cancer-quackery/

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I hate stories like this, but what I hate even more is the way stories like this are all too commonly reported. Readers have been sending me links to stories about a woman named Alex Wynn that have been published over the last few days, in particular this story about her in the Daily Mail (better known as the Daily Fail when it comes to medical stories). As is the Fail’s wont, the headline blares Newlywed shuns chemotherapy for CARROTS as she vows to beat cancer with alternative therapies while trying for a baby – even though doctors warn there’s ‘no evidence’ they work, with a picture of an attractive young woman proudly smiling next to a juicer sitting on a kitchen counter loaded with broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, bananas, cucumbers, oranges, apples, limes, and…you get the idea, with the caption “Alex Wynn has shunned traditional cancer cures of surgery, chemotherapy and radiotherapy in favour of a strict diet, Vitamin C drip and sessions of pure oxygen.”

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Unfortunately, this is wishful thinking at its worst. There are the requisite doctors quoted saying that diet like this can’t cure cancer and that Wynn should receive conventional therapy, but the overall tone of the article makes Wynn seem like an appealing, brave woman, rather than a woman making a tragically misguided choice that could well result in her death if she doesn’t change course soon enough.

Much of what Wynn is doing is cancer quackery I’ve discussed before, such as high dose vitamin C, various “food as medicine” cancer “cures,” alkaline diet quackery, and the like. For instance, my first introduction to cancer quackery occurred when I was a general surgery resident. Twenty years ago at the beginning of my chief resident year when I was rotating on the chairman’s service, one of the senior surgeons admitted a patient for an abdominoperineal resection (APR). This is a nasty operation that, with the advent of chemoradiation regimens that shrink tumors effectively before surgery is thankfully rarely done any more. Basically, an APR involves removing the rectum and anus, sewing the hole shut, and leaving the patient with a permanent colostomy. The reason was because he had a large rectal cancer that could not be removed without removing his anal sphincter.

The patient’s rectal cancer had gotten so large because he had refused conventional treatment when his tumor had been diagnosed at a much smaller size. Instead, for more than a year he had pursued a carrot-heavy juicing regimen of some sort, very likely similar to the one that Wynn has started, plus coffee enemas. I had never heard of such things at the time, but now I know in retrospect that he was probably doing some version of the Gerson protocol. Whatever the specific regimen he had pursued, besides his needing an APR, another result had been that the man’s skin was the most amazing shade of orange, which inspired me when I wrote about his case ten years ago to call my post The Orange Man. As I put it that post, early on in my blogging “career,” the Orange Man was the first to teach me that alternative medicine that is ineffective is not harmless. That was 20 years ago, and I’ve never forgotten the lesson.

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I really hope this woman comes to her senses before we have to read her obituary.

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Young woman with cancer is killing herself via alternative treatment (Original Post) Godhumor Jul 2015 OP
Not much different than the anti vaxers, except anti vaxers can cause a public health problem. In still_one Jul 2015 #1
If it doesn't cure cancer, at least I can see in the dark. NightWatcher Jul 2015 #2
DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #3
Very sad. I had a friend that did that, and she died within a year. Hekate Jul 2015 #4
Very sad. I hope she realizes her error before it's too late. MineralMan Jul 2015 #5
Textbook case of natural selection. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #6
I really wish the media had responsible health and science reporters... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #7
The problem is that most journalists major in journalism, rather than Freddie Stubbs Jul 2015 #9
I'd settle for decent health and science reporters . . hatrack Jul 2015 #21
Fruits & veggies are great--for possibly helping prevent cancer in the first place & general health Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #8
Wouldn't a couple of XRAYS easily convice her that her therapy isn't working? taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #10
She'd have to be convinced to have the xrays in the first place, and then to believe... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #11
Yeah, I read the article and she's relying on hcg test taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #12
I know this isn't a popular opinion... Left coast liberal Jul 2015 #13
But that is a popular opinion. It is the basis of our society, really. RadiationTherapy Jul 2015 #17
I agree completely Major Nikon Jul 2015 #20
I agree wendylaroux Jul 2015 #26
Way off Godhumor Jul 2015 #29
Too much Vitamin A will kill you quickly. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #14
It is her body Marrah_G Jul 2015 #15
It is certainly her choice, but the media celebration of this - probably stupid - choice RadiationTherapy Jul 2015 #18
This Godhumor Jul 2015 #25
And it's also a choice to comment on how ill informed such a choice is kcr Jul 2015 #28
I agree, she has a right to her choice and people have a right to comment on it Marrah_G Jul 2015 #30
Big pharma!!1! Chemotherapy is a scam! Derp. Oneironaut Jul 2015 #16
A lot of people who do this also fear the chemo and other treatments davidn3600 Jul 2015 #19
Very sad vankuria Jul 2015 #22
I've seen it on DU TacoD Jul 2015 #23
i saw my fil go through chemo restorefreedom Jul 2015 #24
Some people have a pathological fear of cancer treatment Warpy Jul 2015 #27

still_one

(92,219 posts)
1. Not much different than the anti vaxers, except anti vaxers can cause a public health problem. In
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

the case you presented it would probably take family members and doctors to persuade her.

There is a thin line between freedom of speech and quack cures

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. If it doesn't cure cancer, at least I can see in the dark.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jul 2015

My grandmother said that after a cousin bought her a juicer and a 25 lb bag of carrots more than a dozen years ago when she was dying of bone cancer.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
4. Very sad. I had a friend that did that, and she died within a year.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:51 PM
Jul 2015

None of those Big Pharma toxic substances for her.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
7. I really wish the media had responsible health and science reporters...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

I'm sorry for this young woman, but I also worry that articles that are sympathetic are enough to convince others to try the same thing. Its not like the Daily Fail will post a follow up and expose with her obituary.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
9. The problem is that most journalists major in journalism, rather than
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jul 2015

the subjects that they eventually report on.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
21. I'd settle for decent health and science reporters . .
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:41 PM
Jul 2015

Science journalism in the US these days, even in most "papers of record", is a dog's breakfast of journalistic fail, with hapless paragraphs bumbling across the landscape, begging for the mercy of gunshot death.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
8. Fruits & veggies are great--for possibly helping prevent cancer in the first place & general health
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

But if you do get it, due to genetic make up, environmental toxins, or whatever, then it's a battle that requires the big guns.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
10. Wouldn't a couple of XRAYS easily convice her that her therapy isn't working?
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jul 2015

if the tumor isn't shrinking, it's pretty obvious that whatever therapy she's on isn't working. Chemo, radiation , and surgery is the ONLY chance she has to cure the cancer.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
11. She'd have to be convinced to have the xrays in the first place, and then to believe...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:33 PM
Jul 2015

what the doctors are saying about them, etc.

In other words, there's a good chance it will do the opposite of what you are saying.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
12. Yeah, I read the article and she's relying on hcg test
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jul 2015

to measure her progress. She also seems worried about becoming infertile... she could simply freeze her eggs. Painful to read all the way around.

Left coast liberal

(1,138 posts)
13. I know this isn't a popular opinion...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jul 2015

...but it is her life or death and she has the right.

Here is the good old USA, if she was to get the mainstream cancer drugs it might costs her $100K, perhaps backrupt her and her family and may die anyway.

Just sayin' folks!

Judge not!

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
17. But that is a popular opinion. It is the basis of our society, really.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

With the exception of drugs in their various forms and "schedules", adults 18 and over are, obviously, able and free to ingest or not ingest what they like.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
20. I agree completely
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015

Everyone should have the right to do whatever they wish with their own bag of meat so long as it's not bothering anyone else.

That being said I also have a right to say it's fucking stupid and hopefully if enough people similarly do so it will inoculate other idiots from thinking this is a good idea.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
26. I agree
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jul 2015

Chemo and radiation are toxic and painful,and really, they are not guaranteed long term survival,5 yrs maybe?


Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
29. Way off
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

At her age and estimated severity, with real treatment, 20 year survivability is between approximately 60 and 80%.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
15. It is her body
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

I might not make the same choices if I ever find myself in her shoes, but it is her choice as long as she is not a child.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
18. It is certainly her choice, but the media celebration of this - probably stupid - choice
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

without corresponding refutations by experts seems irresponsible to me. Not so much where I am interested in curbing anyone's freedoms though.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
25. This
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jul 2015

Grown people can make their own choices, but when media promotes it as legit... Well, it can convince others to opt out of real treatments and settle for something that is guaranteed to result in tragedy.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
28. And it's also a choice to comment on how ill informed such a choice is
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jul 2015

It's also a valid criticism of any media that portrays it as a valid and rational choice, as the OP seemed to be.

Oneironaut

(5,504 posts)
16. Big pharma!!1! Chemotherapy is a scam! Derp.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:01 PM
Jul 2015

Etc. Etc.

There are actually people who think and argue that the world is flat. Nothing surprises me anymore.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
19. A lot of people who do this also fear the chemo and other treatments
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jul 2015

And there is reason to fear it. Chemo is not like taking an aspirin. It plays havoc on the body and can make you look and feel like death. There is no guarantee it will work. Doctors will tell you over and over that you may die anyway. And when you start to see the medical bills, you'll want to die. The cost of this treatment is nothing short of outrageous.

It's easy to understand why some people have skepticism or fear.

vankuria

(904 posts)
22. Very sad
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

since it sounds like the cancer may have been detected early enough and has a high success rate. Of the many problems with younger women getting breast cancer is that because they are too young for mammography, it can go undetected for too long. Also because of their high estrogen levels it can grow very quickly and spread to other organs and bones. I have a friend who's daughter was only in her late 20's when she was diagnosed and it wasn't detected until it had metastasized. She underwent all the typical procedures, but it was too late and she lost her battle.

I know this young lady is worried about her fertility, but what good is fertility if you have metastasized breast cancer? Or for that matter having a child and dying before you have a chance to raise them.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. i saw my fil go through chemo
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jul 2015

he did it for 4 months and said enough. no more. it was not working. does not always work.

her body her choice.

i wish her well

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
27. Some people have a pathological fear of cancer treatment
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jul 2015

They fear the disease and its pain and their shortened lifespan far less. These people, once told the medical facts, should be allowed to dose themselves with whatever they can find while their families compose the obituary.

The people who need to be constrained by law are the people who say that any of this stuff is a cancer cure. Some of it can help patients undergoing conventional treatment feel better and for that reason, it can be a good thing. However, no one should espouse it as a substitution.

Now there are a few cancers out there I would elect not to treat, opting for palliative (comfort) care, instead. However, there is no way I'd be suckered by any of these diet/supplement fakers.

Maybe this bird will smarten up when the overload of beta carotene starts to cause her significant problems and figure conventional treatment can't be worse.

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