Schumer has decided to vote NO on Iran deal: NYC local news

[geek tragedy]

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/schumer-iran-nuclear-deal-vote/

Nearly two weeks after an Iran nuclear deal was reached, Schumer is still keeping his stance on the agreement close to the vest, though sources tell CBS2 New York’s senior senator plans to vote against it.
“Sen. Schumer, we’re hearing from our sources that you plan to vote no on the Iran deal,” CBS2’s Hazel Sanchez told the senator.
“No, I haven’t made up my mind,” Schumer responded. “I’ve spent a great deal of time studying this issue. Last week I’ve had 10 different meetings with people on both sides of the issue including a classified briefing and its a very serious decision.”
“There are all kinds of questions about the deal. What happens with the deal? What happens without the deal?,” Schumer added.

Schumer knows how he's going to vote--with AIPAC and the Republicans. This act of pretending to deliberate is to buy time--he wants the deal to fail, but he doesn't want to get the blame.

Completely unfit to be a Democrat, let alone leader of Senate Democrats.

When the deal survives his attempts to kill it and get us involved in another war for oil in the Middle East (Chuckie pimped the Iraq war) he should face severe consequences.

[malokvale77]

1. OK...

Why not just keep voting in these "Third-Wayers"? Their so good for the Democratic Party.

[geek tragedy]

12. I'm not going to be voting for Schumer again, that's for damn sure. nt

[RKP5637]

2. If the Iran deal fails, the writing is clearly on the wall that the MIC wants a war with Iran for

big profits. Endless war, destruction, deaths and rebuilding is a big revenue stream. It's disgusting.

[geek tragedy]

5. Schumer never met a war in the Middle East he didn't like.

He's terrible.

[CrispyQ]

52. Except they never rebuild.

It's such a fucking scam.

I hope Americans are awake & tired of this shit. I don't know. I've freinded several old HS classmates & they are predominately republican & religious.

[MrMickeysMom]

3. Schumer has a problem knowing which person should be telling him what to do...

The fat RIGHT hand up his ass? Or, is it the fat LEFT hand up his ass?

Of course, he hasn't made up his mind… The asshats like him LOST their minds.

[Fred Sanders]

4. Unconvincing opinion based on nothing new. What Schumer said is what I believe. On the fence.

[geek tragedy]

33. As someone who's had him as my Senator for 16 years, he never takes long to make up his mind.

Especially when aIPAC has told him how to vote and there's a chance to start a war with a Muslim country.

[still_one]

62. The title of the OP is misleading. People should definitely call or write and encourage him to vote

for the deal

[global1]

6. Clearly He Is More Interested In His Career And Himself Than...

he is about his country. Disgusting!!!!

[geek tragedy]

8. No, he's voting his conscience. He likes war and he ALWAYS votes how

aIPAC instructs him to vote.

ALWAYS.

There's no way he votes against war and against AIPAC. He figures Obama will be gone by the time Senate Dems vote on who replaces Reid.

[malokvale77]

31. I hope Senate Dems are never so stupid to replace Reid with Schumer.

I believe they are.

I feel more ashamed everyday by our government representatives.

[Nite Owl]

7. I hope it survives

If they are picking him as a leader they may follow him.

[geek tragedy]

9. Senate could vote 70-30 to override Obama's veto.

But there aren't enough war pigs and AIPAC loyalists in the House to drag us into war.

[DonViejo]

15. Personal opinion/forecast or, ????? TIA

[geek tragedy]

25. With Harry Reid's replacement lining up for war and against the

President, well we saw how that herd mentality worked in 2002.

There are only 28 votes for the deal in the Senate now. With Schumer there'll be 60 against.

This is speculation, but many Senate Democrats still feel safer voting with aIPAC and for war than against.

[PhilosopherKing]

10. Every Democrat who votes against this deal

Should be primaried. No exceptions. Did we learn nothing from the Iraq war debacle?

[geek tragedy]

13. Schumer likes wars that kill lots of Muslims.

Every dead Muslim to him is one less terrorist for the US and especially Israel to worry about.

[oberliner]

24. BS

That is ridiculous and false.

[geek tragedy]

28. Have you ever seen Schumer express any remorse over Iraqis the US has killed

or Palestinians/Lebanese that Israel has killed?

No. When US or especially Israeli policies lead to Arab suffering, he gloats.. He enjoys it.

The man has a giant black hole in his heart where compassion for Muslims as human beings should be.

[geek tragedy]

41. .

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/06/11/102026/schumer-strangle-gaza-economically/

SCHUMER: The Palestinian people still don’t believe in the Jewish state, in a two-state solution. More do than before, but a majority still do not. Their fundamental view is, the Europeans treated the Jews badly and gave them our land — this is Palestinian thinking […] They don’t believe in the Torah, in David […] You have to force them to say Israel is here to stay. The boycott of Gaza to me has another purpose — obviously the first purpose is to prevent Hamas from getting weapons by which they will use to hurt Israel — but the second is actually to show the Palestinians that when there’s some moderation and cooperation, they can have an economic advancement. When there’s total war against Israel, which Hamas wages, they’re going to get nowhere. And to me, since the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas, while certainly there should be humanitarian aid and people not starving to death, to strangle them economically until they see that’s not the way to go, makes sense.

[JDPriestly]

65. Have you read the text of the agreement?

If so, is it perfect?

If not, what do you like/dislike about it?

Do you know whether Schumer has read it?

[geek tragedy]

67. The agreement is not perfect but it is vastly preferable

to the war Schumer, the Republicans and Israelis want.

No agreement is ever perfect, so that is a nonsensical standard.

[Greybnk48]

23. Agree. n/t

[merrily]

82. Apparently not.

[BeyondGeography]

11. What a shocker

[geek tragedy]

16. I know, right? Everyone knows he's going to vote against it.

But he's playing this game so he can pretend it's one of principle and based on a rational appraisal of the deal.

[BeyondGeography]

17. He's milking the moment, too

I'm finding it more annoying than usual. Thank goodness for Pelosi.

[geek tragedy]

18. Joe Manchin is voting with Obama on this. Joe Manchin.

That's how awful Schumer is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Voting against it is not a surprise...if anybody has followed his major votes

the hint that he is voting on the direction of a foreign power is not a surprise either.

Sadly...

Ah yes, getting closer now... and to think I was expecting that because of Sanders.

[geek tragedy]

19. Schumer is every bad thing claimed re: Clinton.

He is a servant of Wall Street. He would never consider voting against aIPAC or against war in the Middle East.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Double down on voting at the behest of a foreign power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians

If I called the Huckster today in print over this, yes, I am calling you on this too. Granted, his has far more influence and resonance, but... still ugly.

[geek tragedy]

38. He thinks God chose him to protect Israel from Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mj-rosenberg/schumer-im-on-a-mission-f_b_560091.html

Sen. Chuck Schumer told a New York radio station last week that after the Obama administration hit Israel hard on its settlement policy, "I called up Rahm Emanuel and I called up the White House and I said, 'If you don't retract that statement you are going to hear me publicly blast you on this.'"

He added that there were two groups within the White House. One would give Israel the usual pass and the other wants the US to put pressure on Israel (and Palestinians).

"We're pushing hard to make sure the right side wins and if not we'll have to take it to the next step," he said.

He concluded that God, himself, deputized him to be Israel's man in the Senate:

"You know, my name .... comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem [Orthodox for God] actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer -- to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body ..."

His vote on this was decided long ago.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Now triple down on this

You really do not know how ugly that sounds right? And what that is. truly.

By the way, care to guess what is the Jewish vote in NEW YORK CITY? Nah... electoral politics could never, ever whatsoever have a thing to do with this. He is taking orders from Jerusalem.

Triple

Now I expect you to quadruple down on this.

[geek tragedy]

46. Most American Jews support diplomacy with Iran and oppose a war.

Most American Jews want Congress to approve the deal.

The problem is not with Schumer's constituents.

It's his militarism and long-standing, perfect record of siding with Israel and aIPAC whenever they disagree with the US government.

He has never--never--sided with the US government when it disagreed with Israel.

Never.

He's exactly in the mode of the anti-Castro fucknut Cubans who place narrow, parochial interests over the interests of the country.

This is his character flaw, his designs on grandiosity. He's voting against the clear wishes of his constituents.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. So you are still doubling down on him taking orders from a foreign power

Amazing!

[geek tragedy]

49. Taking orders? No.

But he is a partisan of Israel moreso than he is a partisan Democrat, or partisan in supporting what's good for the United States.

He said he's on a mission from god to protect Israel, including from Obama when Obama wants to criticize settlements. How much clearer can he be?

Need more?

Check this out:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0410/Schumer_Obamas_Counterproductive_Israel_policy_has_to_stop.html

Do the interests of the US factor into his thinking?

No.

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. From the ADL

Thirty percent (30%) of Americans continue to say that American Jews are “more loyal to Israel” than to their own country, America (unchanged from 2011 and 1964).

http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/anti-semitism-usa/adl-poll-anti-semitic-attitudes-america-decline-3-percent.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.Vbb9cRNViko

have a good one with that code.

I am not sure what is sad, the fact that you now have doubled down a few times, or the fact that nobody else is calling you on it. Have an excellent life

[geek tragedy]

53. The vast majority of American Jews place the well-being of the US

above that of Israel.

Schumer is the one who literally claimed to be on a mission from the supreme being of the entire universe to protect Israel.

He's the one who has never taken his own country's side in a dispute with Israel.

These are facts, this is how Schumer has boasted about his own behavior.

This is a guy who went to the matt to try to get the US to finance $10 Billion of illegal settlement construction, who eagerly voted for war with Iran while parroting everything Dick Cheney said.

He never gave diplomacy a second thought when it came to Iran.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. So in the end he is taking orders from a foreign power

That is extremely ugly. You cannot say you disagree with his position, or that he is wrong and that he is a neocon. You have to add the cherry on top.



Not surprised by the way, just an utter gobsmacked moment. I expected this with Bernie Sanders, since he is also Jewish. Oh well... I wish I could say I was even an iota surprised.

For the record, he is wrong, if he decides to vote against the deal, but it has not one thing to do with Israel, and he is not taking orders from Bibi, see, i can say it without taking that extra step.

[geek tragedy]

55. He claims he's taking orders from a higher power.

You know those people who think God told them to oppose abortion and gay marriage?

That's Schumer on Israel.

When people say god has chosen them for a mission, their vote is typically not up for debate.

Are you saying it's anti-Semitic to quote him?

"You know, my name .... comes from the word shomer, guardian, watcher. My ancestors were guardians of the ghetto wall in Chortkov. And I believe Hashem [Orthodox for God] actually gave me that name. One of my roles, very important in the United States senate, is to be a shomer -- to be a or the shomer Yisrael. And I will continue to be that with every bone in my body ..."

It's not that he's Jewish, it's that he suffers from crazy-ass delusions of grandeur rooted in fundamentalism.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Oy

triple so...

So you cannot be critical of him without going there. Not that I would bother alerting... it does not work.

Triple oy.

I am done wasting my time... becuase that is what I am doing. Please continue to not just double or triple or quadruple down...

[geek tragedy]

57. Quoting his own words and record is out of bounds? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

58. Claiming he is taking orders from a foreign power (in Tel Aviv ) is

sorry, if my ears perk at that ugliness. Higher power, sure, how many religious nuts do we have in the US that go there? And how many of them are not taking orders from a foreign government? If you are missing why this perks my ears up, well, you might want to read into it.

[geek tragedy]

59. No, he thinks GOD is telling him how to vote.

Obama can't win over someone who thinks god wants him to push for a war.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. Whatever Geek

you did what you did... it is what it is.

Thanks. I mean that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

92. Yup

the more obvious got the post hidden.

[Fred Sanders]

87. "Gawd" is central to a ton of politicians beliefs, but must not be mentioned in any polite discussion.

The Armageddon Complex not being discussed is why all debate about Iran and this peace deal gets off the rail....Religious beliefs driving public policy is missing.

Also missing from the discussion are 200 Israeli nuclear bombs.

[JDPriestly]

68. Maybe he is voting his own conscience. In my view, that is the likely explanation.

[geek tragedy]

70. It is. And his own conscience favors war with Iran. nt

[oberliner]

20. The title of this OP is a complete lie

He specifically says he has not made up his mind.

[geek tragedy]

26. CBS is reporting that he has made up his mind but is pretending to be undecided. nt

[still_one]

63. That is bullshit. I mean CBS is bullshit. I read that article, and nowhere does it say how he will

vote, or event that he is "pretending to be undecided"

If you want to do something positive then encourage people to call or write to encourage him to vote for the deal, and to give peace a chance

[geek tragedy]

64. It's about damage control with Schumer.

He decided how he was going to vote months, if not years ago.

If he was going to vote yes, he'd stop dawdling and cut off the lobbying he's going to get from the other side.

[still_one]

66. That is YOUR conclusion, it isn't a fact. Schumer has been elected by the people in New York. I

have no doubt they will express their views to him, and he will weigh that in the process.

I am not going to sit and debate "how many teeth are in a horse's mouth with you". People in New York and else where can write or call Schumer to express their view on the deal, and encourage him to vote accordingly. That is the way it is done

[kelliekat44]

21. Who didn't already know that? AIPAC owned and operated. nt

[ericson00]

22. I know I'm gonna be an outlier

but I think Obama might have made a big political mistake with this Iran deal, especially given that he coulda known his party would have trouble supporting it. Not good before the '16 election. But then again he might have done it just to say "I tried diplomacy first." While I would be very against ground troops in Iran, even if their nuclear facilities were struck, there would be no actual war, because Iran cannot get troops, missiles, etc. here, and I don't think the strike plans include decapitation of government leaders. Polls show both large support for the deal, but also a willingness to use force in certain circumstances.

Its easy to forget that even tho Netanyahu isn't terribly popular here, when Americans are asked if they sympathize with Israel or Palestinians (who in the mind of many Americans also are seen as stand-ins for Israel's other enemies as well), Israel wins by large ratios.

The better solution would've been somewhat better relations with Netanyahu over the years and engaging them with regard to Iran.

[BeyondGeography]

30. "Polls show both large support for the deal, but also a willingness to use force

in certain circumstances." So what to the latter. 3/4 of Democratic voters are in favor of this deal. Hard to think of another issue where public sentiment and elected officials was so out of whack.

[malokvale77]

39. That's a joke right?

Engaging Netanyahu with regard to Iran?

Bibi never saw a Muslim he didn't want dead.

[ericson00]

44. I'm not a fan of hyperbole

while he's not very good with regard to Palestinians, that kind of hyperbole is ridiculous. Muslims get a better situation in Israel than religious/ethnic minorities in its neighboring countries. And Muslims have actually been in cabinet level positions in Israel's history, and not just as show horses like the Iranian dictatorship/theocracy does.

[malokvale77]

50. Your whole post was hyperbole. (nt)

[Iggo]

91. "...not very good..."????

[Marie Marie]

27. Say hello to the new Leader of the Democratic Senators.

Wouldn't have been my first choice but hey, who am I?

[geek tragedy]

29. Hopefully this treachery and disloyalty will cost him that. nt

[H2O Man]

34. Disgusting.

I recommended this OP, as sick as it makes me feel.

Schumer is a prime example of the type of elected official that I find it impossible to support.

[geek tragedy]

35. Remember this?

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2010/06/11/102026/schumer-strangle-gaza-economically/

SCHUMER: The Palestinian people still don’t believe in the Jewish state, in a two-state solution. More do than before, but a majority still do not. Their fundamental view is, the Europeans treated the Jews badly and gave them our land — this is Palestinian thinking […] They don’t believe in the Torah, in David […] You have to force them to say Israel is here to stay. The boycott of Gaza to me has another purpose — obviously the first purpose is to prevent Hamas from getting weapons by which they will use to hurt Israel — but the second is actually to show the Palestinians that when there’s some moderation and cooperation, they can have an economic advancement. When there’s total war against Israel, which Hamas wages, they’re going to get nowhere. And to me, since the Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas, while certainly there should be humanitarian aid and people not starving to death, to strangle them economically until they see that’s not the way to go, makes sense.

[H2O Man]

40. He has been consistent

in being a neoconservative, with but one thing lacking -- a true sense of being "liberal" on domestic policy.

[Egnever]

36. No surprise there

[Laurian]

37. Not that it will make a damn bit of difference, but I will be

emailing and calling his office tomorrow.

[H2O Man]

45. Thank you.

I shall be, also.

[PoliticAverse]

43. Schumer is the guy Harry Reid has picked to follow him as Senate Democratic leader. n/t

[geek tragedy]

47. Hopefully not too late to revise that endorsement. nt

[still_one]

61. Where does it say he is going to vote NO on the Iran deal? I don't see it in the article. What did

I miss?

We will know soon enough.

However, I encourage everyone to call or write his office and urge him to support the deal

[geek tragedy]

69. .

sources tell CBS2 New York’s senior senator plans to vote against it.

In discussing the agreement with
Jewish audiences in NYC, he's cited the failure of American Jews to speak out against Hitler.

Not real subtle, our Chuck.

He's learned absolutely nothing from his support of the Iraq war. He's ready to repeat it with Iran.

[still_one]

71. "sources". Sources told the NY Times that criminal charges were filed against Hillary on her

emails.

[geek tragedy]

72. No one expects Schumer to vote for the deal.

Republicans don't, Democrats don't.

His entire career is pretty solid evidence of how he'll vote.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. She called me on it by the way

when I ran this at 4 in the morning soon after it broke, and I ran it as it was, not with any editorial comment on my part. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027005278#post6

I never bothered posting here the actual story we ran, after I cozied up to the actual IG report, which is available at State. Mostly I did not feel like fighting the usual crew.

Yeah, yeah, but she called me on it, because sources are trustworthy in this case, but not in that case.

For the record, we tore the NYT apart, after we read the IG report... some of the most boring document I have read in a while... and that takes a lot to say... WHO reports on heat waves are so oh well... snappy and fast reading... Though I wonder if she did follow up with the Ombudsperson of the NYT? That would be oh Margaret Sullivan I urged her to do so.


http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/thepubliceditor/index.html

[still_one]

74. I think Ms. Sullivan"s conclusion sums it up nicely

"I’ll summarize my prescription in four words: Less speed. More transparency."

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. Yup, and they can be good at times

some of it was very sloppy reporting. Some well... there is a history... some, we got the scoop, we got the scoop! They finally pulled back, after both big (newsweek) and small, (places like mine) called them on it, using well, documents.

Newsweek's takedown was a beauty by the way.

[still_one]

77. It was, and I am sure it motivated to elevate their stature since they are trying for a comeback

[MADem]

76. It's not going to cost him anything--Obama will veto, and they don't have the votes to override.

He gets his money from the people who want someone who is perceived as being "on their side" --and he's preferable to a Republican representing NY-- and all will be well.

Don't get too excited about it, it makes no difference. It's just vote counting, and politics.

[still_one]

78. as long as there are not enough votes to over-ride the veto, which I do not think there will be. I

called Feinstein and Boxers office, my Senators, and they favored the deal

Thanks for the perspective

[MADem]

81. It's no secret that Schumer is the guy who runs and holds Israel's hand when we have to take a

strategic position that hurts their fee-fees. He's the designated empathizer. For exhibiting that sincere and well-voiced care and concern, donors give money to his campaign, his PACs and the Senate PAC (which I think he's running--if not, he's got a hand on the purse-strings, there, and he can decide who gets how much).

That PAC money will help us elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to public office. I think it'll be OK. Worst case, Obama has to veto. Might not even come to that.

[6chars]

84. indeed

happens on every controversial issue, and makes dupes out of voters

[BlueStreak]

79. I think everybody is reading htis wrong. Schumer is getting a free pass because

Obama has enough votes elsewhere to block the GOP.

For example, there is talk that Manchin will support the treaty. Normally Manchin couldn't be counted on for this vote, but considering the whole team, it is better for Manchin to cast that vote. There aren't a lot of Jews in West Virginia.

I'm not even sure how strong AIPAC is on this one. Behind closed doors they might agree this is a better deal than having Netanyahu go off half cocked. But AIPAC has to do the kabuki dance too.

So everybody, just chill a bit. Behind closed doors, most people know this thing needs to pass, but they are just negotiating their public posture.

[davidpdx]

80. I hope it's not true, but if it is I'm disappointed

If he votes no, he's likely to get some of his fellow D's to vote no as well. I think there is a strong chance that Congress is going to vote down the plan and Obama is going to have to get his veto stamp out.

[lamp_shade]

85. Schumer has decided to vote YES on Iran deal: NYC local news

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. Ah after reading in full the linked story

I see what you did. True. It could be read that way too.

[hobbit709]

88. His $pon$or$ have spoken.

[marmar]

90. Quelle Surprise!