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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFrom Yesterday's NYT: Sandra Bland Prosecutor Inadvertenly Shows His Cards
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/24/1405282/-From-Yesterday-s-NYT-Sandra-Bland-Prosecutor-Inadvertenly-Shows-His-CardsInmates near Ms. Blands cell did not smell marijuana smoke, and the cell contained no evidence of the drug, he said. He raised the possibility that she could have ingested it right before the traffic stop to avoid being arrested for drug possession. Explaining why the information was relevant, he said, It is a mood-altering substance and a mood amplifier.
More extensive drug tests may shed more light on that question later, he said.
The emphases are mine, obviously, but those lines are the ones that screamed at me, for what I assume most of you reading this already know: pot does not leave your body quickly, it stays in your system for up to a month, long after the effects of the high have completely dissipated. That this DA would insert that obvious bit of misinformation into his "finding" would be totally mystifying...if it weren't for the second set of bolded sentences in that blockquote, which can be summed up as:
Why the "paper of record" failed to note the completely obvious factual misstatement by the DA regarding the time it takes for trace marijuana to leave the system is confounding but hardly surprising these days. The propensity for MJ to hang in the bloodstream for much longer than other drugs is general knowledge, not something on the cutting edge of medical science that has yet to be determined for crissake.
LuvNewcastle
(16,855 posts)high on weed. I hope they stick with that story.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)she ate the weed to avoid drug charges. that's the story the man who is supposed to be prosecuting those responsible for her death is peddling. another black victim being tried in the court of public opinion to justify no indictment. rinse, lather, repeat.
LuvNewcastle
(16,855 posts)to have your family member murdered and have the prosecutor blame her death on something she did. I would come un-glued.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)This is so frustrating. I can't believe they're saying such crap. Slandering her after killing her. No, I can believe they're slandering because that's what htey do every single damn time and it happens over and over again.
I saw one place where they said she was not "a model citizen." First, what is the definition of that? Why wouldn't a professional woman who holds down a good job and is active in social justice meet the definition? Second, even if she weren't "a model citizen" why would that excuse what happened?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Because only their issues "matter", it's okay to slime other activists in pursuit of justice.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)as someone on facebook reminded me this morning :wrf: some people actually believe she should have been arrested for not kissing that cop's ass. and it is criminal that her character is being drug through the mud to justify not prosecuting those responsible for her death. and/or setting them up for acquittal.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)the 15-year-old girl that Cop Eric Casebolt brutalized at the McKinney, Texas, pool party.)
They did the same to Tamir Rice, Michael Brown, Eric Gardner, and Trayvon Martin.
But if you must be a "saint" to avoid being beaten and shot by cops and cop wanna-bes, then we are all doomed!
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)for weeks if not up to a month.
Thanks for the thread, eridani.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Now it's taking Reefer Madness as medical authority.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)"thugette"...is that the story..... #Black Lives Matter in spite of the lies and dispersions cast on the character of this victim of organized and authorized murder by racists that have been doing this for generations in the old south and the now neo-confederate south to POC especially.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)Actually, this part could be true, but the DA's FUDs remind me of the sham grand jury for (/against) Michael Brown:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Grand_jury_hearing
I'd never heard of a THC-specific test but I imagine coroners are looking at it differently from cops or workplace drug testers, the latter normally screen for metabolites indicating exposure in the last 0-4 weeks or whatever, but this sounds more like the pot version of a blood alcohol test. (Which raises tangential questions, like why are people charged with DUI or fired from their job if they aren't high on the spot and there's a test which can tell the difference? Is it because piss tests are cheaper / less invasive, and society wants to punish those subversives whose lips have ever touched the demon weed?)
Anyway, this part smells like bullshit:
OK. For one thing, eating pot shouldn't get you high unless it's "decarboxylated" first, so unless she was scarfing down brownies at the traffic stop this theory doesn't fly. Not to mention we're talking about three days later, even if she ate a dozen space cakes there wouldn't be much "mood-altering" potential at that point, so it all sounds like a smokescreen. This part caught my eye:
It was unclear whether she had access to the drug while in jail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/24/us/autopsy-of-sandra-bland-finds-injuries-consistent-with-suicide-prosecutor-says.html
If I was going to pull a random layperson theory out of my arse like the DA, I'd say going cold turkey on epilepsy meds ("It was unclear", my ass?) could work out to induced homicide.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)It's a passively voiced deception (mistakes were made!) which obscures the actors (it was unclear to whom, the intrepid reporter? no, then it's "officials refused to confirm..." , reading between the lines as though the NYT were Pravda, "it was unclear" means "it was clear she didn't, but officials stonewalled and kindly asked us not to print 'officials stonewalled...'" or something in that vein.
Igel
(35,342 posts)There's no passive verb. "Was" is just a past tense here, not part passive voice. It's just a copula ("to be" + adjective assigning a property to a noun, no different from "the ball is red."
There is no real "it" in that sentence, though. "It" is what my French teacher would have called pleonastic, my high school English teacher a "dummy pronoun," or my syntax teacher an expletive pronoun. The subject of the sentence is the following clause: "It's unclear whether ..." and "Whether (or not) she had access to the drug in jail was unclear." However, we still want that verb "was" to appear to have a subject so we put in "it". (We use "there" in parallel ways. "There was a girl from Nantucket", where "girl" is the real subject of "was" and "there" stands in for the subject.) Note that the writer uses "whether" for "if."
A lot of people don't like verbal subjects. They're typically considered to belong at a higher grade level, but sometimes they're used for purposes of euphony while passives typically are used for cohesion. We want our sentences to sound good (euphony) as well as for the information to flow in ways we think proper (cohesion).
"It was unclear" doesn't state the perceiver, a true point, but we do that all the time. "It was unclear" is up there with "It's offensive" or "It's a good thing that...." It's only bad when we don't personally like it, then we try to find stylistic problems or impute bad faith and ill will.
In this case, at least, it strikes me that the context delimits fairly well who it was unclear to. Unlike "it's offensive" or "it's a good thing that," where you eventually sort out who's doing actually the perceiving but the speaker well nigh declares the offensiveness or goodness to be universally perceived. Bobble heads nod in agreement and are slowly bobble-washed, or they agree and have their opinion that their opinion is universal reinforced. It's a mild form of demagoguery. In other words, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being bad, this is perhaps a 2 or 3. "It's offensive" rises to perhaps 7 or 8.
Passives have the same kind of expletive raising to subject, but they originally had a subject that was demoted. "The cat ate the gecko" becomes (in some sense) "______ ate the gecko" becomes "the gecko was eaten." We can put the subject back in as "The gecko was eaten by the cat." But if we say "It was eaten" that "it" isn't an expletive. It's a pronoun.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)In these sentences, the person performing the action remains unnamed: Who reported the results? To whom was it apparent? The reader is forced to guess who holds the view.
http://www.biomedicaleditor.com/hedging.html
...said some schmuck on the internet, but you come across (to whom?) as more authoritative so I'll defer (I mean, "noncommittal form of the passive voice"? As opposed to the other kind?)
Still, tho:
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In other words, on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being bad, this is perhaps a 2 or 3
So you're arguing that on a scale of 1 to 10 of Igel's personal antipathy towards the pleonastically orphaned anaphor, this warrants a disapproving glance, not one of those apoplectic smiley faces at the other end of the pain scale? That's offensive! No, but I'd like to think that the gray broodmare holds journalists/editors to a higher standard than "stuff happened, or it didn't, reply hazy try again."
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)If not then the only way I can see to maybe prove them lying would be to count the pills but even they did that they would claim she must have been skipping dosages herself, unless she just picked the pills up at the pharmacy the day of the arrest at which point the police department might as well save themselves the trouble of going to court and cut a check to the family.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They are not as specific as follow-on, confirmation tests.
For example, pregnancy screening tests indicate elevated HCG in urine or serum. But our chemistry analyzer can give a precise amount of HCG per mg of serum.
In the case of pot, the screening tests indicate the presences of THC, but not how much. Reference lab tests will confirm it's really there and provide precise levels, which could be why they are suggesting she took it recently.
Trace amounts would suggest most of the THC was cleared from the body. Extremely high levels would suggest more recent ingestion.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)http://norml.org/marijuana/drug-testing/item/the-abcs-of-marijuana-and-drug-testing
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)urine for up to 30 days, per the insert that comes with the analyzer used at my hospital. That detects for the presence of THC, but doesn't indicate the levels found. The results are considered "unconfirmed" because the test is not 100% accurate.
In the event of a positive screening drug test used for police or employment purposes, the urine is frozen for follow on testing at reference labs before results are considered confirmed.
We don't know exactly what tests were performed on Bland, or when.
foo_bar
(4,193 posts)This is the part I'm wondering about:
I mean this statement is untrue on its face, and part of it might be dopey science journalism since "traces of marijuana" take forever to leave the body, but in the context of a tox screen on a dead person, I took the NYT's rendering of the DA's conclusion to mean they found this smoking gun on a blood (or saliva?) test where the active ingredient exits the bloodstream rather quickly. But maybe they took a hair sample and settled on suicide-by-marijuana.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And how did Sandra Bland get so expert in creating complicated nooses out of trash bags?
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)It also causes irritability and she told the officer that she felt "irritable."
http://www.drugs.com/keppra.html
You may have thoughts about suicide while taking Keppra. Your doctor will need to check you at regular visits. Do not miss any scheduled appointments.
Report any new or worsening symptoms to your doctor, such as: mood or behavior changes, depression, anxiety, or if you feel agitated, hostile, irritable, hyperactive (mentally or physically), or have thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Wouldn't something like, say, 10 parts per million (just making up numbers off the top of my head) indicate it was recently ingested?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
a blood test can tell if it's thc and what level (which would tell if smoked recently) or metabolites which will show up for up to 30 days. This is how Indiana gets people for DUI even if they smoked a full month ago. "papers please, oh and some blood too. Sure you weren't actually high while you were driving but this is how we keep our jails filled."
Pot does not leave the system quickly. It is stored in the fat and so it leaves the system slower than probably any other drug.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--testing positive for metabolites.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I had heard of people who still tested positive though they had quit for awhile but had not heard of it being years or having to do with weight loss. wow.
eridani
(51,907 posts)snot
(10,530 posts)Everything short of that just makes things worse.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... that Ms Bland died as a result of the head injuries she sustained when the psycho racist cop threw her to the ground? They then staged the supposed "suicide by hanging" to cover their evil asses.
I wouldn't believe a Texas cop if he told me the sky was blue.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)notice how lifeless and still her body is when the second cop is leaning over her?
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... I believe she complained about her vision and an inability to feel her arms. WAY not good.
I've got a long-winded theory about the evil motives behind this mindless savagery inflicted on Black folks by police, but I'll save it for another time. And believe me, there will be another time all too soon, I'm certain.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and a celebration. people brought their children and took pictures that became postcards. this is just a continuation of that thirst for black blood. it is a sickening NORM.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Science says no...
http://www.leafscience.com/2014/04/22/how-long-thc-stay-system/
blackspade
(10,056 posts)This DA is a sack of shit, just like the police department he represents.
onecaliberal
(32,887 posts)30 days after smoking it. Maybe it helped her. She damn sure didn't kill herself.
Lots of people in CO and Seattle smoke it too, are they all drug dealer who deserve to die?
Igel
(35,342 posts)Probably didn't even take college biology, and if he did they probably didn't talk about biological half lives. Probably psych or poli sci or English followed by his J.D.
THC gets metabolized or removed from the blood reasonably quickly. For a single dose you get a spike and a quick drop off. It can take weeks for the blood serum levels to become undetectable. Depends on the dose.
Its byproducts also have their own half-life curves. Test for THC and a few metabolites, you can probably come up with a good estimate for what peak blood serum was and when that occurred, esp. for a single dose, a large dose, or a recent dose with little use in the days preceding the dose.
Since these things are fat soluble and many people's use don't include isolated single uses, it does mean the data points at a moment in time result from multiple superimposed curves.
This isn't great medical knowledge, just deductions from knowing how half-lives work (remember half-lives in high school physics or chemistry?) and that THC is fat soluble and fat and blood serum levels are going to be in equilibrium (le Chatelier's principle from chemistry). With a bit of linear algebra.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)at least it's obvious enough to be challenged.
Good Lord. Is he stupid? Devious? What?