White privilege is knowing that if the Louisiana shooter turns out to be white...

[Cali_Democrat]

nobody will label all white people as terrorists and conservatives will not call for the bombing of white people.

[HFRN]

1. true - lone gunmen have never been sterotyped as white males

everyone knows that

because that could never happen - society would not allow it because of white privilage

[Tipperary]

21. Actually, lone gunman usually are stereotyped as white males. I believe the usual profile for a

shooter is an isolated, white male. I have heard that for years. It is frequently true, with the exception of the DC shooter. I remember that Michael Douglas movie ( I have forgotten the name), and he was the perfect example of the isolated, white male who goes ballistic.

I also remember that when they were looking for the DC shooter, the "experts" all said they believed it to be a white male. Law enforcement is well aware of the white male killer phenomenon. As are we all.

[HFRN]

29. no, they are never stereotyped that way, white privilage prevents it

as the OP suggests

[Tipperary]

32. You are wrong. That is the profile of a lone shooter. Whenever they are looking for a shooter who is

on the loose, that is the profile that law enforcement uses. They were looking for a middle aged white male during the DC shootings. I remember that time very well because I have a friend who lives in that area. This might not be convenient for the DU, but it is the profile that is often used when there is an unknown shooter who has not been apprehended.

[leftieNanner]

41. I think HFRN

should have added the sarcasm thingie.

[For Freddie]

43. Falling Down...

Michael Douglas... classic. It shows the process and how it works and why. The profile is accurate. And it is enabled in our culture.
Large amounts of money are invested in keeping it going.
It represents a proto-type to be feared.

The most lethal being on this planet is a white male.
He can be easily behavior modified. He can be easily co-opted
using fear and stereotyping "enemies".
Most especially if indoctrinated when the testosterone is at it's highest. Hence recruitment of the young in the Marines.
It is the Super Hero prototype. The being then becomes a lethal weapon. I am not against the Marines, nor was Eleanor Roosevelt, she enjoyed their company the best because of their
"bad" language and found it funny. They have a function. But NOT in domestic violence. The lack of care for our Veterans after all wars is NOT a cowinkeedance. It is an extension of this socialization.

Those white males in society who buy into that image of youth and high testosterone, with aging, feel very vulnerable. The need to buy guns for white males goes up greatly as testosterone wanes. As does the need for fast cars. The White Male is very very vulnerable to this kind of behavior modification due to the education of white males in America to be like super heroes. This education and modification starts early. Quite a few never mature beyond this. They resent ANYONE who challenge this, women, people of color,brave LGBT, sane environmental protections,Immigrants. They are trained to fear "the other".

A classic form of this is creating an enemy vulnerable males can bond against ("feminazis" blacks, muslims, gays, transgender, Mexicans etc.). And also inflating the importance of "traditional" symbols of manhood--guns and fossil fuel burning machines.So the politics of all this is Guns, Oil, Racism, Sexism. The Guns Racism and Sexism are not as important as the core economic
point of this, Drill Baby Drill...OIL. But provide "soft targets" and a distraction.

Having a Black President tweeked this to a new art form. It deeply threatened their very basic toxic paternalism and a need for a Father Figure they can identify with. This is explosive on a deep primal emotional levelfor many white males in our country.
And it is exploited every day in every way.
So the RW "base" has had to go much beyond old cartoonish standards of "manhood/conservatism". It's all they got left.
Trickle Down,Austerity and Raygun Speak is DONE.The great rage of Obama replacing Ronnie is an emotional ignition point in all of this.It is all they really have left that has legs for them.

This is all heading toward critical mass.
BTW... The two killed in Lafayette were two beautiful girls.
The RW narrative is responsible for this violence.They know it.
They are using it. And will continue to until it is stopped intentionally. Tipping Point is coming closer.

We need to reform and accept an 18th century value of using and owning firearms is no longer functional in the 21st Century.By avoiding that reality we all enable this carnage.

When ANYONE in this country can state that, "My gun ownership is more important than your dead child" without a 48 hour psych. hold and evaluation, full psych profiling, and full a tox screen for meth, is ridiculous. This is why single payer national health is avoided among many other reasons. We cannot afford the gun culture as a health issue which it is. It is a Mental Health Issue. We cannot afford both. So...Tipping Point has to happen.

Allowing any profit making sector of our economy to dictate public safety and national security domestically, without being checked
and following the money upstream to those responsible ,and putting them in Fed. Prison is just dancing around the obvious.

So... REALITY: Those two beautiful girls in Lafayette and those beautiful people slaughtered in Charleston and all the children slaughtered in Newtown ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN AN 18TH CENTURY LAW THAT IS FAR OUTDATED. GROW THE FUCK UP.

And you know what? Those lives are worth more than the whole dated Constitution. And any sane responsible parent knows that in their Heart. WE CAN change the Constitution for a better country, better quality of life and better world. How the fuck can we "lead the world" or even begin to believe in "American Exceptionalism" with these cheese head policies still in force?

WE CAN'T.

WOMEN KNOW THIS.Bernie knows this. Hillary knows this.

And the adolescent boys who still need their guns to feel safe, need to be lead into a healthier adulthood.
No matter how old their bodies are, they are STILL BOYS.
LOVE, ONE WISE MOTHER

[Spitfire of ATJ]

44. ESPECIALLY if he's an older white supremacist who's anti-gay and anti-government too...

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/07/24/3684254/report-lousiana-theater-shooters-online-presence-suggested-admiration-white-supremacy/

There is a tendency amongst right-wingers to see people as "winners" and "losers".

Some even think God rewards "winners" with wealth. You have to remember, this belief is embedded deep into the core of how they see the world. They are also control freaks and a separation or divorce at this stage of their life makes them feel like they have no control over their life. Loss of a job is also much more devastating to these types because they identify who they are by what they do. It probably dawned on him after the separation that attractive young women looked at him as "old" if they noticed him at all.

To his HORROR he realized that he was a "loser".

The media calls him a "drifter" to be anti-homeless or anti-poor but he was actually someone in his late fifties who just separated from his family and was living in a hotel. He had what's described as "disguises" including a wig. No telling if he was using them to commit robberies or if he was playing dress-up in private trying to make himself look younger in a mid-life crisis.

There was a time when these types would pop themselves privately in their motel rooms after sitting on the edge of the bed for a while.

Now they take their act on the road.

He goes in to see a movie about a free thinking, independent young woman who has multiple sex partners which someone of his generation would call a "slut" and hears the audience ACCEPTING IT and that sets him off.

His first victims are two women enjoying the film. He's described as "calm" as he then walks about firing at people seemingly at random before turning the gun on himself.

I have only one question. Did the motel TV carry FOX "News"? If not it may be a warning of things to come if FOX "News" goes off the air. Millions of older guys with guns being exposed to a society they see as too damn liberal.

[Flatulo]

53. You are seriously lacking a historical perspective.

Read up on the Rape on Nanking, China by the Japanese, or the Rwandan Genocide.

Homo Sapiens is capable, as a species, of extreme violence. Any race. Any culture. If you really believe that white males are the single most dangerous demographic today, then I suggest that you also study the FBI Unified Crime reports and other widely available data sets, because you would be wrong.

Its become quite fashionable to bash white males on DU, usually without any consequence, and with a healthy cheerleading section, but it fucking stinks to high heavens.

[Cali_Democrat]

67. Great post.

Thank you.

[laundry_queen]

71. Great post.

I agree 100%

[Nye Bevan]

2. Did anyone claim that all black people were serial killers

following the arrest of the Beltway Snipers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Well...there are some pretty high profile white people who think blacks should be singled out

One example:

http://www.newshounds.us/20140804_on_fox_friends_rudy_giuliani_defends_stop_frisk_ignores_fatal_nypd_chokehold

[HFRN]

5. I KNEW I shouldn't have voted Guiani 'spokesman for all white people' last year

now look what's happened

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Michael Bloomberg would be another one.

[Cali_Democrat]

7. The systematic targeting of minorities is quite acceptable in conservative circles:

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/02/bill_oreilly_calls_east_new_york_a_ghetto_situation/

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. oy

My whole day would have been so much better without ever having seen that pompous blowhard.

[Scootaloo]

4. So what does calling for mass killing of Middle eastern people count as, on the privilege scale?

[ismnotwasm]

16. Why?

[Scootaloo]

17. Because it's hardly isolated to the right.

[ismnotwasm]

23. What are you talking about?

War? I thought the topic was white privledge in the U.S.

[Scootaloo]

31. You're right. I have a point, but this isn't the thread to try to make it in

[JonLP24]

39. I'm curious to know what it is

perhaps in a sub-thread because I didn't see "in the US" in the OP and white privilege or privilege is privilege but still "in the US" -- I found your sub-thread OP relevant.

White privilege certainly extends to outside are borders not to mention the privilege of being an American -- 'won't call to bomb white people'. Strangely I disagree with you saying the poster is 'right' but am interesting to hearing more. White privilege and to an extension American privilege enables to separate a question like that you made to as "war" & "surgical strikes", drones -- when one killed a US humanitarian aid worker recently one shifted what happened to his decision, I kinda want to say blaming the victim but the aid worker I'm sure was well aware of the risks. The thing there is the humanitarian aid workers are cryptonite for terror groups (journalists and aid workers are targeted for beheadings as a warning to others) because chaos, poverty -- making people dependent on them, etc are what help recruiting.

Anyways, before I say more I'm not sure yet what the point was you getting at as I can look at it and the OP, particularly 'bombing white people' as all relevant. That's "war", we're talking about "white privilege in the US" is the white privilege in a nutshell.

[villager]

8. A White Republican Tea Partier to boot. And of course.

n/t

[ismnotwasm]

15. That's disgusting

Perhaps the number of immigrant pan-Asians dying in sweatshops, or virtual slavery will suit? I suggest you do some reading of activist groups targeting problems in the pan-Asian communities. You may wish to explore Southern California in particular for identified problems with Samoan youth for instance.

[JonLP24]

49. A general reply to the point you raised

not a direct reply so not meant to be taken as a contrary to the point you raised (there isn't anything in your text I disagree with - in addition to your comment and I was inspired with the hidden post mentioned "ethnic" -- as certainly that plays a role with class a top aspect of this)

One thing that always interests me when I see general comments about problems in places is after centuries of colonization, globalization, meddling, CIA activities, war, etc from numerous "interests" whatever problems prop up are there problems. I'm not 100% aware of issues in East Asia but know general things like "No Logo" from Naomi Klein, suicide nets, I'm well aware of East Asians & North Africans being human trafficked in slave labor as the worst labor rights exist in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Yemen, Kuwait and aware this labor system is in use in Egypt, Jordan, and presently Libya (though not to the extent as I'm aware of in the Arabian Peninsula). Whoever the dictator that is there or placed receives a lot of assistance and backup from numerous "interests".

I've met many from India, Nepal, Philippines, the horn of Africa. Particularly in the Arabian peninsula the economies are built off the backs off them, they are brought in have their passports taken when they arrive following saving up for large fees given to "bait and switch" recruiters. Info can easily be explored but I recommend "TCN" "CorpWatch" or "Al-Jazerra" in how it relates to the Department of Defense.

For instance, Obama put a medal around the neck of the "micro-loan" guy in Bangladesh which puts the poor in a trap they can't easily escape from one killed himself because of the debt so it was simply transferred to her. I have no idea the context of that event or what was known or unknown when the decision for that was made so this isn't about him or anyone in particular. VICE recently covered the aftermath of Mico-Loans and there is a white male with his face blurred as a buyer of the black market kidney economy and I want to avoid any of which ethnic is more ethical when I mention that as this is about money & anyone can be bought & anyone can be unethical & inhumane -- just to highlight that there are numerous complex bad intentions that aren't well publicized when they involve outside players but when the cause leads to the effect the problems of the third-world are the third-world's problem and "The West" gets a pass on (especially on "Muslims" threads).

HBO’s ‘VICE’ Reveals the Dark Side of Medicine and Extreme Poverty
http://healthbistro.lifescript.com/2015/05/14/hbos-vice-reveals-the-dark-side-of-medicine-and-extreme-poverty/

[cyberswede]

76. Don't expect a reply...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=317006&sub=trans

[Igel]

20. There must be.

If you're East Asian in the US you tend to

live longer
be healthier
earn more
attend higher prestige colleges
have a higher graduation rate
have lower arrest rates
have lower homicide rates


Moreover, the differences are analyzed at varying levels, and are usually attributed to positive values in your culture and upbringing and to hard work. At worst, some of those traits are viewed as nearly pathological.


I wouldn't call it "Pacific privilege," though, because this doesn't apply to SE Asians and PacIslanders in the same way, and certainly not to the Aymara. (Probably not the Ainu, either, or the Yup'ik, but that's the problem with generalizations--they're generalizations.)

[ismnotwasm]

27. You do realize what a disingenuous comparison that is.

As I comment earlier, the Pan-Asian communities have significant issues including racism, and I will suggest you, too check into the activistism in those communities and the challenges they face.

[Nevernose]

10. If we're supposed to bomb Arab Muslims because of Chattanooga

Then why aren't those same people calling for the bombing of white Tea Partiers? Because, due to bigotry against others, white people generally are not considered terrorists, even when they clearly are, and thus the term "privilege."

Is this rephrasing of your OP accurate? Because some responses on this thread seem to be obtuse, purposefully or otherwise, as to your point.

[Tipperary]

22. I must have missed the calling for bombing of Muslims over Chattanooga. Can you

give me a link where that was called for? We are already droning the hell out of them anyway. But who specifically is calling for the bombing of Muslims in response to Chattanooga? I have not heard of this. Not even from Trump.

[treestar]

26. Some blond airhead

At the link in the OP

[JoePhilly]

55. Much of the RW wants to bomb Muslims because we need to kill them before ...

... they kill us.

They don't need any other reasons.

[artislife]

11. Only whites in thus country are exempt

They do not suffer a broad stroke from society when one person does something wrong.

When Trump made his first remark he just said Mexicans. Everyone who defended the remarks said he meant illegal aliens. Most cannot even see this as an example of what you are saying.

[dbackjon]

12. Yup - especially if they are tea-partiers

[LWolf]

13. That's one thing you've said that I agree with.

Of course, I'm white, and I've already been called a terrorist, by Rod Paige. I didn't have to commit a single act of violence.

[lark]

18. Hammer meet nail!

So sadly true.

[KauaiK]

19. I'm white and I agree.

The double standard of reporting is staggering.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. and Bill Maher will conveniently not remember this when he talks about terrorism being the sole

problem of Islam.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. no moderate whites will be asked to condemn this action

[Maedhros]

25. Come on, now, everyone KNOWS that white people can't be "terrorists"

That's only for brown foreign people with a funny religion.

[noiretextatique]

28. and if he hadn't killed himself

he might have gotten a meal a burger king.

[Erose999]

30. I say we bomb Europe, North Africa, and Central Asia right now. We must fight the White Xian people

native homeland so we don't have to fight them here.

[radhika]

33. No one will look for ties to christian preachers either... n/t

[Flatulo]

34. Actually, since there are many calls for severe restrictions

on gun ownership, and since most gun owners are white, there would seem to be a presumed implication of all whites whenever one white goes off on a rampage. Plus, serial killers are automatically presumed to be white males.

That's the opposite of privilege.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. lol. no. nt

[Fred Sanders]

45. You forgot the sarcasm emoji.

[uhnope]

37. what an awful OP. How disgusting to twist this massacre into a BS political tool. Self Delete.

No one is saying all black people are terrorists. Maybe you're confusing it with what RWNJs say about Muslims--which would be some serious racial profiling by you since Muslim does not equal black.

God can't we wait for the bodies to be cold before we start using this for unrelated axe-grinding and race-baiting?

[HFRN]

40. ^+1,000,000

[Flatulo]

47. Agreed. Loathsome, hateful and inappropriate.

[Cali_Democrat]

50. Self delete?

No.

[uhnope]

52. yes, self delete. The bodies aren't yet cold and you're smearing their death into "white privilege"

by some frankly insane contortion. You should be ashamed enough to self delete

[Cali_Democrat]

54. No. nt

[melman]

56. Agreed

[TrollBuster9090]

42. Also, when somebody phones the police and says "there's a white guy with a gun shooting people..."

The police don't arrive on the scene, and shoot the first white guy who matches the height and weight description, assuming he must be the shooter.

[Flatulo]

46. If he's holding a gun you can bet your ass they do.

[TrollBuster9090]

66. I wouldn't be too sure about that. In some cases they might assume...

they might assume "If he's white, and he's at the scene of the shooting...he might be they mythical 'good guy with a gun.'"

That's what ole' Wayne LaPierre would assume, anyway.

[Flatulo]

60. Except for here...

Outrage as police shoot and kill the wrong man in hunt for attempted murder suspect, after showing up unannounced in the middle of the night

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174381/Andrew-Scott-Outrage-police-shoot-kill-wrong-man-hunt-attempted-murder-suspect.html#ixzz3gqeia7WL
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

[Flatulo]

61. Oh yeah, and here, too...

Police Shoot, Kill 80-Year-Old Man In His Own Bed, Don't Find the Drugs They Were Looking For

http://reason.com/reasontv/2014/02/13/police-shoot-kill-80-year-old

[ThoughtCriminal]

64. You realize you are getting this "story" from Rush Limbaugh?

Via "World Nut Daily" - Right?

[TrollBuster9090]

69. Yeah, he found three examples of police shooting white men by mistake. One was from Limbaugh,

and another was from REASONTV, meaning it was from Llew Rockwell (aka Ron Paul's racist ghost writer). Well, with unimpeachable sources like that, I guess blue on black violence is not really a thing, and all this 'blacklivesmatter' nonsense is just a bunch of FLIBBILDYFLOO!

[TrollBuster9090]

68. You found three examples of cops killing unarmed white men. Congratulations. So...

So, I guess it's NOT really a thing. *eyes*

[malaise]

48. Yes indeed

+1,000

[Flatulo]

57. White privilege is being stupid enough to post idiotic racist bullshit on DU and be cheered on.

[Comrade Grumpy]

65. Yep. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

74. white privilege is calling things racist without understanding structural racism

or the lives of people of color

[cyberswede]

75. He won't be a ble to respond to you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=203516&sub=trans

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. people who agreed with him should feel terrible about themselves

i could see he was a troll from a mile away.

[Smarmie Doofus]

58. Wow. That is one W I L D stream of consciousness.

At the very least, we've had "white privilege" defined , unassailably, for all time.

Long time coming.

In your debt.

[oberliner]

70. No it's not

If the Louisiana shooter turned out to be black nobody would label all black people as terrorists or call for the bombing of black people.

[Puzzledtraveller]

73. Yeah but then the poster

couldn't get the satisfaction of feeling righteously indignant in writing the OP in the first place. It's an addiction you see.

[Jamaal510]

72. K&R