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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,567 posts)
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:29 PM Jul 2015

Frigid offices, freezing women, oblivious men: An air-conditioning investigation

Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:59 AM - Edit history (1)

One of the women where I work shares her cubicle with an air exchanger unit. She's so cold that she wears a bathrobe.

Frigid offices, freezing women, oblivious men: An air-conditioning investigation

Local

By Petula Dvorak July 23
Petula.Dvorak@washpost.com
@petulad

You can spot them. The frozen ones who come outside at lunch like sun-seeking turtles, cardigans balled up next to them, bare shoulders defrosting in the noon sunlight, no matter how wilting it is outdoors.

Every single woman I talked to in downtown Washington on a hot, humid July afternoon was thawing out.

“I. Am. Fuh-reezing. Feel my hand — I’m still cold,” said Ruth Marshall, 64, who was seated on a park bench, face to the sky. And, yes, her hand felt like a cold steak.

“I have to come out here for 30 minutes at a time just to warm up,” said Marshall, the director of administration at a construction firm where the air conditioning is set to Arctic.

It’s the time of year desperate women rely on cardigans, pashminas and space heaters to make it through the workweek in their frigid offices. And their male colleagues barely notice.

{Take our poll: Is your office too cold?}
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Frigid offices, freezing women, oblivious men: An air-conditioning investigation (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 OP
That sounds expensive -- electric bill and all. oldandhappy Jul 2015 #1
In my office I have one associate (Female) who keeps her office nice and warm el_bryanto Jul 2015 #2
They talk up the gender differences, but seem to be attributing it to clothing choices. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #3
Indeed, men's office fashion is devoid of creativity and variety arcane1 Jul 2015 #6
I'd say men have it better - knowing What To Wear To Work is much simpler, as is buying it . . . . hatrack Jul 2015 #17
Vests need to make a return XemaSab Jul 2015 #49
I have a vest! Telcontar Jul 2015 #80
I like it that way. Igel Jul 2015 #21
Yep. hifiguy Jul 2015 #44
Fuck are you talking about? XemaSab Jul 2015 #50
It's not necessarily choice. drm604 Jul 2015 #26
Walking around is different from sitting in a cubicle Sanity Claws Jul 2015 #77
Sounds like an interesting dilemma. beevul Jul 2015 #4
EXACTLY laundry_queen Jul 2015 #45
I have to wear suit and tie every day. I am HOT all day. Xyzse Jul 2015 #5
And it wasn't a problem when women wore long skirts Warpy Jul 2015 #27
I wish I could wear a summer suit. Xyzse Jul 2015 #32
I know, you must MELT when you have to go outside at the end of the day Warpy Jul 2015 #33
You should see me running in DC with suit and tie... Xyzse Jul 2015 #34
They brought back "seersucker Thursday" on the Hill-not too many takers this year. MADem Jul 2015 #51
I think I would look dapper in that, with my light caramel tone. Xyzse Jul 2015 #71
There are many varieties of seersucker--I guess you have to be a certain age to even remember it as MADem Jul 2015 #72
Oie, all those colors give me a headache. Hehe. Xyzse Jul 2015 #74
Classic!!! And classy, too!!! nt MADem Jul 2015 #75
Air conditioners don't have to run at full Arctic-blast all the time Retrograde Jul 2015 #7
If cold, you can warm up simply by wearing a sweater or drinking coffee taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #8
Thats how I see it. maveric Jul 2015 #12
the problem i've encountered is that it isn't too hot noiretextatique Jul 2015 #15
It may not be too hot for you NutmegYankee Jul 2015 #31
i think that's the point of the article eom noiretextatique Jul 2015 #40
Not really, the article implies men overdress NutmegYankee Jul 2015 #42
perhaps men are required to overdress? noiretextatique Jul 2015 #48
Men do tend to be thicker as well. SolutionisSolidarity Jul 2015 #52
Not quite true. The hands, fingers, face--- all get uncomfortably cold. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #43
It's not just women. By afternoon, my teeth are practically chattering. randome Jul 2015 #9
A lot of times men don't have the same options in clothes Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #10
Often? Good Lord, I hope they're wearing pants! Telcontar Jul 2015 #81
I've always fought back. Daemonaquila Jul 2015 #11
Mr Man-O-Pause! Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #36
I'm always cold...it's the curse of being skinny. MindPilot Jul 2015 #13
A walk in the sun is like a long, hot shower. randome Jul 2015 #18
For me it makes me mythology Jul 2015 #29
Agreed. I love the heat and sun; humidity is my bane. closeupready Jul 2015 #19
i freeze in every office noiretextatique Jul 2015 #14
Well you know what though? As I look at women in Midtown closeupready Jul 2015 #16
i generally where a shirt and jacket noiretextatique Jul 2015 #41
I'm always hot PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #20
me too irisblue Jul 2015 #25
another NJCher Jul 2015 #56
When I walk into a col office from 95 F temps I get frozen instantly csziggy Jul 2015 #22
No AC in our office maxsolomon Jul 2015 #23
I'm just amazed that the Washington Post seems to be paying someone to write Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #24
It's not usually up to the employees alarimer Jul 2015 #28
my office is too cold during the summer but a woman controls the thermostat and adjusts it up Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #30
I used to work in an office in DC and I definitely FROZE every summer. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #35
What do you expect with such disparity in dress code? davidn3600 Jul 2015 #37
Not every office setting requires suits A Little Weird Jul 2015 #53
I lived in newblewtoo Jul 2015 #38
Ever put up with someone who thinks if the AC is set above 72° it's too hot hobbit709 Jul 2015 #39
My uncle would crank the AC like mad and in the winter would have it hot enough to forge steel. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #47
Most HVAC systems in office buildings work by the "brute force" method. kentauros Jul 2015 #46
Reminds me of an office I worked in where the older women going Cleita Jul 2015 #54
Oh cleita, cwydro Jul 2015 #59
Oh. I'm seventy five and know what they went through. At the time though Cleita Jul 2015 #60
Well, during my symptoms, cwydro Jul 2015 #63
No. The bad thing is each menopause is as different as the woman experiencing it. Cleita Jul 2015 #66
I'm coming out of it finally. cwydro Jul 2015 #69
I once knew a woman who said to me that if men could get pregnant, they would have only one child. Cleita Jul 2015 #70
I was fine until menopause... MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #67
Layering... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #55
I work in quality control krispos42 Jul 2015 #57
Are menopausal women to blame for why it’s so cold in your office? mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2015 #58
I'm rarely cold treestar Jul 2015 #61
I say that people are much better off putting more clothes on than making me take clothes off Thor_MN Jul 2015 #62
PLEASE keep me in the server room. Aerows Jul 2015 #64
I love it cold. LWolf Jul 2015 #65
I'm a woman and prefer the office COLD. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #68
Where I work a lot of the men wear suits every day. tammywammy Jul 2015 #73
We have one sqweeky wheel at my office who constantly complained of the cold Sedona Jul 2015 #76
I have heard that women have less blood-circulation in the limbs than men. DetlefK Jul 2015 #78
Has anyone posted this yet? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #79
A person can deal with too cold, but not too hot Android3.14 Jul 2015 #82
As a trans woman who works out I need it cold. side effect of weight lifting is running hot MillennialDem Jul 2015 #83

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. In my office I have one associate (Female) who keeps her office nice and warm
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jul 2015

with a space heater, and the one next to her (also Female) wants it so cold that I occasionally wear a sweater - and this is Florida.

Bryant

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. They talk up the gender differences, but seem to be attributing it to clothing choices.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jul 2015

Say that 'women dress for the season' but men are wearing the same suits all year round, and then suggest that they could bump up the thermometer and men could wear lighter outfits.

But

“It’s been going on for years, every building I’ve been in. It’s awful,” said Marshall, who has worked in Washington since 1973. “Everything is set at 70 degrees for those testosterone-toting people.”


I walk around nude at 68-70 degrees. I couldn't be comfortable in a hotter office in any sort of outfit. Heck, even my female housemate thinks the house it too hot if it hits 73.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. Indeed, men's office fashion is devoid of creativity and variety
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jul 2015

It's one of the few realms where women have it better: they don't look like clones at work, unless it's by choice

Formal wear too.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
17. I'd say men have it better - knowing What To Wear To Work is much simpler, as is buying it . . . .
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:02 PM
Jul 2015

Professional wear for men hasn't changed much since the stand-up collar and ascot went away in, what,1935?

Disclosure - if there's an opposite of a clothes horse, I'm it.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
21. I like it that way.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

Less time fretting over what to wear, concerned that I'm not stylish enough or will be judged because of my fashion sense. I don't go to work to be a clothes horse or be admired for how I look. The workplace has to look professional--not that I much care, but others do--and so I try to look professional.

Then there are other issues: If appearance is that important, then it's okay to comment on, say, HRC's clothing. She's not a clone, so her choices reflect the person we'd be voting for. That's condemned, and properly so, but it's part and parcel dressing not just to look professional but stylish. I'd point out that where I work we had one man who really had trouble navigating his environment, he was so overweight. He was good at what he did, however, and nobody cared. He wore the "uniform" that men wear and did his job. We have a woman who is less overweight by far than he was, but how she dresses is considered part of her performance by clients and even peers.

If clothing matters, then it matters. If it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. To not look not so much as "clone" but to have a restricted set of style choices means some will be negatively judged for how they dress, but that's ultimately how they look--hair, make-up, dress, and even weight. Do that a time or two, and the word is "sexist" if they're women.

As for the OP, the more skin you show the less competent you're seen to be. More skin = more sexual, more emotional, more in need of being "satisfied" through intercourse and more in need of being sheltered and having decisions made for you. At least if you're being judged by an American from age 19-60 something. If DU is going to say that "interpretation is all, intent is nothing" as in many posts, then the choice of clothing for professional women is clear. Sadly.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
44. Yep.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jul 2015

When I wore a suit to work, the only thing I had to worry about was not wearing the same tie two days in a row. Even someone as ignorant of and indifferent to fashion as me could remember that much.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
50. Fuck are you talking about?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:48 PM
Jul 2015

For most professional women, wearing a short-ish skirt is de rigueur.

If it's 80 outside, women should be allowed to dress like it's 80 outside.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
26. It's not necessarily choice.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:56 PM
Jul 2015

Some offices require men to wear suits, or at least it will hurt you professionally if you don't. I've fortunately never been in that situation, but I have worked where long sleeves and a tie were expected.

Sanity Claws

(21,851 posts)
77. Walking around is different from sitting in a cubicle
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jul 2015

When you are home and walking around, doing chores, etc., the activities keep you warm. Office workers confined to a desk are not engaged in activities that keep them warm.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
4. Sounds like an interesting dilemma.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:41 PM
Jul 2015

Myself, anything over 72 degrees unless I'm sitting completely still doing nothing, and there will be puddles of sweat, and that's wearing shorts and a very loose t-shirt.

That may sound like hyperbole but it is not.


The reality is that one can dress up for 'cool', one can not dress down much for 'hot' (at least, I can not).

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
45. EXACTLY
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jul 2015

I'm a woman, but tend to run hot. The other women I work with complained so loudly about being cold that our boss bought them all space heaters in our tiny office with only cubicles. Why they all think the heat doesn't travel I'll never know. They run those things in the winter constantly and the rest of us sweat and suffer. But the 3 women that run cold are toasty in their short skirts with bare legs and bare feet in flats and heater running full blast.

Honestly, it's one of the things that makes me look for another job. I'm uncomfortable constantly. I can't take anymore clothes off without being indecent (and we are lucky to have a fairly relaxed dress code).

I told one of the women - who is a friend of mine so I felt comfortable telling her - that she can always put a sweater on, but I cannot take my short sleeved blouse off. She whined about feeling 'cooped up' in a thick sweater.

Warpy

(111,317 posts)
27. And it wasn't a problem when women wore long skirts
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:57 PM
Jul 2015

and heavy rubber underwear that pinched and poked everything into conventional places.

Now, it's a problem. In the interest of lowering corporate utility costs, men are going to have to rediscover the summer suit. Air conditioning an office 30 degrees below the ambient temperature is just not something that is sustainable.

I don't know why coporations are so rigidly conformist. Even the military has been more adaptable.

Warpy

(111,317 posts)
33. I know, you must MELT when you have to go outside at the end of the day
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015

I do sympathize, really. Something has to change, the rigid conformity has to break down.

All I can think of are the English people in their hot woolens trying to look dignified in Africa and India during their Empire instead of adopting less formal and more appropriate dress. No wonder they lived on gin.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
34. You should see me running in DC with suit and tie...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jul 2015

Pulling off a 100M dash in...
Wait, I haven't timed myself in a long while.

I think, I have a new project.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
72. There are many varieties of seersucker--I guess you have to be a certain age to even remember it as
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jul 2015

a fabric option! I've seen it in blue, pink, green, tan--a wide variety of fabrics and colors. It's a weird fabric, because it's kind of wrinkled anyway, so it doesn't show creases as terribly as some other fabrics.

It actually makes a great deal of sense in summer, or it did when people used to wear clothing! Nowadays, everyone uses sunblock and lets it all hang out...!


It might be making a revival...in bolder colors, too...


Retrograde

(10,143 posts)
7. Air conditioners don't have to run at full Arctic-blast all the time
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jul 2015

It seems to be an eastern thing: I just got back from western New York where stores and restaurants seem to want to show that they have that new-fangled air-con-dee-shun-ning by freezing their patrons. I had to go get a sweater at one place. (They make up for it in winter, by overheating).

This has been a problem as long as I can remember. And since producing all the power that's needed to run those air-conditioners contributes to climate change with its hotter summers the demand for air conditioning keeps going up.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
8. If cold, you can warm up simply by wearing a sweater or drinking coffee
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jul 2015

If hot, there is NOTHING you can do to really cool down at a desk. Therefore, it's better to err on the side of too cool than hot.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
42. Not really, the article implies men overdress
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:18 PM
Jul 2015

In realty, people just have different body temperatures. Mine stays right around 97.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
48. perhaps men are required to overdress?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jul 2015

i cannot comment, because my work attire is generally a jacket, shirt and pants, not sundresses and sandals but i am still cold.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. It's not just women. By afternoon, my teeth are practically chattering.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:17 PM
Jul 2015

There needs to be a better balance.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
10. A lot of times men don't have the same options in clothes
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jul 2015

Men are often required to wear pants and sometimes a long sleeve dress shirt.

Meanwhile I've worked with women who can wear a dress and sandals. If they are cold, I suppose they could always wear a dress and closed toe shoes like the men are required to.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
11. I've always fought back.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

We have a guy in my small office building who always comes to work in shorts, and he still cranks up the AC for everyone. He admits that the AC at the office still isn't cold enough for him - he keeps it 65 or less at his house! My assistant and I call him Mr. Man-O-Pause, and we turn the AC back to a fairly reasonable level and, when that isn't enough, close our doors and open a window to the outside for a while.

In one of my former work places, a recently redone historic building, the AC was always cranked uncomfortably high. I just climbed onto my desk with tape and copier paper, opened the vent, and mostly sealed it off. Much better!

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
13. I'm always cold...it's the curse of being skinny.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

85 degrees outside and I'm wearing a hoodie at my desk. The article is gender-baiting but I think it is just a majority of people have something that makes them like cold.

I'm one of those who thinks paradise is Vegas in August.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. A walk in the sun is like a long, hot shower.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jul 2015

Same for first getting into my car at the end of the day. I relish that wave of warmth. For a while, anyways.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. Agreed. I love the heat and sun; humidity is my bane.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jul 2015

Thus, I could never live in the Southeast US.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
14. i freeze in every office
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jul 2015

i've ever worked in that has air conditioning. it is always too high. if i am near a vent, it has to be closed.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. Well you know what though? As I look at women in Midtown
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

during this pleasant summer weather, most of them are showing more skin than they are covering, and no stockings or hose. Thus, they are dressed fine for outside, but in the office they are underdressed. Further, it's not exactly professional to dress like that.

Thus, you know, grow up and realize when you work for a living, there's a dress code.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
41. i generally where a shirt and jacket
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jul 2015

in addition to slacks at work...and i am still cold. all women don't where scanty clothes, even in the summer.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
22. When I walk into a col office from 95 F temps I get frozen instantly
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:18 PM
Jul 2015

It was worse when I was working outside most of the time and drenched with sweat - I'd get so chilled I'd started shivering and sneezing from the nearly 30 degree difference! A lot of the seminars I go to recommend bringing a sweater so the participants don't get too cold.

Working outside in the winter I could layer my clothes so I could peel off some as it warmed up during the day or when I went into a heated place. But even then they tend to over heat the stores and offices - the places that are chilled to 68 in the summer would be heated to 78 in the winter.

At home I set my thermostat higher in temperature (around 76-78; I'd set it to 82 but then the humidity gets too high) in the summer partly to reduce the thermal shock of the change in temps when I come inside and partly to keep my electric bills to a reasonable level. In the winter the temperatures are set lower, but not as low as I'd like - below 72 I get too cold when I am not actively working or wrapped up in too many layer to function.

maxsolomon

(33,360 posts)
23. No AC in our office
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jul 2015

Because we're in an old building in Seattle, the land that AC forgot. From the perspective of the West Coast, you are all insane and are killing the planet. Turn the temperature on your AC systems up to 75 or 76.

If it's windy, all the surfaces get cold and its freezing in here, but our office is generally in the upper 70s thanks to everyone's computers, task lights, and monitors. If it tops 80 outside, it's 80 inside. If it tops 90, well, you get the idea. I have a fan pointed at my head.

We are obviously more energy-efficient, but we do have women that run space heaters. I often encourage them to try wearing socks for energy-free warmth.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
24. I'm just amazed that the Washington Post seems to be paying someone to write
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jul 2015

crap like this

There could actually be something to her rather vague thesis, but she surely doesn't make a strong case,

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
28. It's not usually up to the employees
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

Depending on the building, of course. I think building managers keep things at a uniform temperature because it's more cost-effective than heating or cooling each room or floor separately.

Hot air rises, so the top floors will always be warmer. In addition, computer equipment needs to be kept cool to function properly.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
37. What do you expect with such disparity in dress code?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jul 2015

Women wear skirts, blouses, and open-toed shoes.

Men wear suits with ties and jackets and slacks.

Which is hotter to wear?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
53. Not every office setting requires suits
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jul 2015

In my office men and women basically dress the same - slacks, collared shirts, and closed toe shoes. The disparity still exists. I actually wear gloves because my fingers get too cold to type (but of course I make a ton of mistakes because it's hard to type with gloves on). Many of the men complain about how hot it is and many of the women complain about how cold it is. Strange.

newblewtoo

(667 posts)
38. I lived in
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:17 PM
Jul 2015

a cube farm in a building that had been renovated with air. Management was proud as a new papa, loved to brag on it, always wanted it set on artic. The thermo sensors on the wall were under lock and key. The solution? I used the ice pack from my lunch bag. It worked like a charm and no one in mgmt. ever caught on. I felt bad for my cube mates when I left although one of the ladies had pretty much caught on to my trick.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
39. Ever put up with someone who thinks if the AC is set above 72° it's too hot
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jul 2015

And every winter thinks it's too cold if the thermostat is set BELOW 80°?

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
47. My uncle would crank the AC like mad and in the winter would have it hot enough to forge steel.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:04 PM
Jul 2015

I'm talking furnace pegged, oven on, kerosene heater. Whatever he could.

Me, I prefer it cool always.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
46. Most HVAC systems in office buildings work by the "brute force" method.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jul 2015

That is, keep the core of the building at arctic temps, and blow the same arctic air on those oven-like sheets of glass on the outer skin. Then it will just "even out" everywhere. Only that never works. The core remains at arctic temps while the offices with windows remain hot. How much energy is being lost by this ineffective method?

My brother was telling me of a system invented to be not only more efficient but to have even temps over entire floors, using laminar-flow principles. It required having a raised floor and then periodic placement of vertical pillars where the cold air would be released. The drawback was that it didn't work with cubicles and separate offices. I would think it could still work with cubes and offices if you put a pillar in every cube and office. That would certainly be better than having to wear winter clothing in August.

This magazine has an article on two alternative forms of cooling (radiant chilling and chilled beams) that could work better, even in humid environments like here in Houston It starts on page 51 (I couldn't link directly to those pages due to their method for making the issue available.)

Net Zero Buildings - March 2015

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
54. Reminds me of an office I worked in where the older women going
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jul 2015

through menopause used to turn down the air conditioning to sixty degrees freezing out the younger women in the office. We didn't have to go to those extremes to get warm though. We layered on winter clothes instead. I think I have hated air conditioning to this day on account of this experience.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
59. Oh cleita,
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:29 PM
Jul 2015

I've had the horror of experiencing those symptoms recently. God, I feel for them.

Just you wait

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
60. Oh. I'm seventy five and know what they went through. At the time though
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jul 2015

I was in my thirties. We didn't complain. Just put our woollies on but it really made me hate air conditioning. I seldom use it even in my car except on the hottest days.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
63. Well, during my symptoms,
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:00 PM
Jul 2015

I found cold ac really didn't help that much.

A fan helps (still does because I'm still dealing with them.)

I'm your age backwards lol, and if you have any hints as to how to deal - feel free to share!

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
66. No. The bad thing is each menopause is as different as the woman experiencing it.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

I couldn't help my step daughter because her symptoms and experience were different than mine. The best thing is looking forward to when it's done and you no longer have to deal with the paraphernalia, hormonal mood swings and cramps your monthly delivered to you.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
69. I'm coming out of it finally.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:52 PM
Jul 2015

I'm very happy about that.

Plus, I suffered the tortures of the damned during my young years with awful cramps...pure misery.

Gosh, not having to deal with that pain is worth the year of hot flashes. And the mood swings.

I'm actually a different person now.

Can you imagine if men had periods?

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
70. I once knew a woman who said to me that if men could get pregnant, they would have only one child.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

I think the same thing would apply to period, they would have hysterectomies right after that first child.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
55. Layering...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jul 2015

...is it really that hard of a concept to grasp? It's something I learned to do by age 20.

Whatever climate one lives in, temperatures vary by indoors vs. outdoors, and also by time of day.

In cold climates in the winter, you won't want to wear your heavy sweater all day indoors or you'll collapse of heat stroke, since most places are heated to a nice cozy temperature. So have a shirt or top under the sweater so you can take the sweater off indoors.

In hot climates in the summer, you'll want to bring a wrap of some sort to your indoor destinations, since they are often chilly compared to the temperatures outside.

In most climates, it is substantially cooler in the morning and in the evening than it is a midday. So , if you will be outside at different times of day, have layers.

Trying to frame this as "poor women" is silly. One could as easily frame it as "oh, those poor men" who have to wear suits with their dress shirts and suit jackets and long pants even on the hottest days of the year, thus being too hot anytime they are outside. They suffer because their rigid dress codes don't allow them the privilege of dressing for the weather -- and their female colleagues barely notice.

The article, while a bit tongue in cheek, did bring up an issue that everyone in the workplace deals with: how to get an ideal office temperature in a big building, where there are lots of different people with different ideas of what the ideal temperature is, and where there is rarely individual control over it.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
57. I work in quality control
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
Jul 2015

68°± 2° is what's maintained for consistent measuring of machined parts.

The three chubby guys there (including me) deal with it fine. The one lean guy and the only woman (about 130 and 120 lbs, respectively) wear lots of layers and struggle with staying warm.

The woman would wear a fur hat if they let her!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,567 posts)
58. Are menopausal women to blame for why it’s so cold in your office?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015
Are menopausal women to blame for why it’s so cold in your office?

Local

By Petula Dvorak July 24 at 1:34 PM
Petula.Dvorak@washpost.com
@petulad

The office air-conditioning debate is a hot one. ... Arctic A/C is the Manspreading of Summer ’15. People had a lot to say on the subject after I wrote Thursday about the gender divide, thermostat edition.

After an exhaustive investigation (talking to people outside at lunch, plus years of listening to my female co-workers complain about the frigid air at The Post), I laid out the state of things: Women are shivering in their offices all summer. Their suit-wearing male colleagues are fine.

{Frigid offices, freezing women, oblivious men}

I think I heard from every man in America who said he was cold at work, too. #NotAllMen.

And there was a bunch of guys eager to blame women of a certain age for the whole phenomenon: ... “While I was in a hospital a few years ago I asked a nurse why it was so cold. I expected a medical answer, like promoting healing or controlling germs,” wrote one reader. “She said, ‘The thermostats are controlled by fat, menopausal women!’ ”
 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
62. I say that people are much better off putting more clothes on than making me take clothes off
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jul 2015

I think part of it is that men, in general, are much more adverse to wearing seasonal clothing. There is no desire to wear feather weight cloth that bares more skin.

Need shirt, find shirt, shirt dead.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
64. PLEASE keep me in the server room.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:04 PM
Jul 2015

I can keep my lunch in the plenum space with the cables.

I DO NOT MIND being refrigerated. I know how to put on more clothes.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
65. I love it cold.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:24 PM
Jul 2015

I'm a woman. It's always too warm at work, and at home during the summer. During the winter, I can be perfectly content in COLD temps; I won't even realize how cold it is until my fingers get numb and stiff.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
68. I'm a woman and prefer the office COLD.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:44 PM
Jul 2015

Is this what the Washington Post considers to be hard-hitting journalism these days? I feel fortunate to have lived through its glory days way back when.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
73. Where I work a lot of the men wear suits every day.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

Some wear khakis and a polo, but if they're meeting with the customer they're wearing a suit as that's what is expected of them.

I prefer to just bring a cardigan with me, since at least I'm not wearing a freaking suit every day. I typically wear a pencil skirt, t-shirt or nicer blouse and a cardigan. I have quite a collection of cardigans. Ha.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
76. We have one sqweeky wheel at my office who constantly complained of the cold
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

Now the thermostat is set five degrees higher and the rest of us are sweating it out at nearly 80 degrees.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
78. I have heard that women have less blood-circulation in the limbs than men.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jul 2015

That's why they feel the cold faster even though their body-temperature is normal.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
82. A person can deal with too cold, but not too hot
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:23 AM
Jul 2015

I sympathize with folks who find an office too cold. I've worked in computer rooms that were downright frigid in order to keep the machines cool.

The solution is easier to solve on an individual level than to elevate it to a gender issue. As a bicyclist friend of mine said, it's never too hot/rainy/cold/windy. It is always about wearing the appropriate attire given the environmental conditions.

Living in the far north, my office doesn't have any cooling AC. In order to save on heating oil, I keep the thermostat set low-ish, and in the summer, when it is hot and muggy, we wear short sleeves and lighter colors. Staying warm is much easier than trying to cool off while too hot.

If it is too cold, wear more clothes. But if it is too hot, there's not much you can do to reduce the discomfort at an office.

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