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MSNBC WTF (Original Post) madamesilverspurs Jul 2015 OP
I'd describe their schedule decisions over the last several years as flailingly clueless. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #1
Or in this case, flinging poo at the wall tularetom Jul 2015 #2
Not clueless at all, it's political davekriss Jul 2015 #7
I'm staying with clueless. I also think they'll be doing it all over yet again in about a year. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #11
Moving to the right is just plain dumb Nevernose Jul 2015 #28
That probably means that Brian Williams is taking over MTP? kentuck Jul 2015 #3
Todd will still be doing MTP in addition to his new MSNBC show. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #10
MSNBC isn't interested in what the viewers want Lurks Often Jul 2015 #4
I don't completely agree davekriss Jul 2015 #9
Ratings are conventional wisdom, reality is that the purchasers iof advertisements are PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #22
Why not Steve Kornacki? ericson00 Jul 2015 #5
they're not done yet making changes. themaguffin Jul 2015 #8
This isn't surprising. The network is struggling during the day which themaguffin Jul 2015 #6
Because Chuck "not my job" Todd is so good for ratings. Erose999 Jul 2015 #12
Why not put Upchuck in on the week-ends in place of the endless re-runs of lock-up? aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #13
Congrats, MSNBC. Fawke Em Jul 2015 #14
I don't know how anyone can watch the M$M and still have a non-broken TV. Rex Jul 2015 #15
When I dumped cable I thought there was going to be a void in my life. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #16
Mine too! Rex Jul 2015 #17
If TCM doesn't get a better program director, I'm dumping mine Warpy Jul 2015 #30
I can't afford to pay for the AP wire, YET nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #19
I like their AP media center. Rex Jul 2015 #20
Yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #21
Those are my two go-to sources. Reuters and AP and if I am at a friends house Rex Jul 2015 #23
I add to my diet nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #24
It's a business nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #18
I stopped watching cable news years ago Oilwellian Jul 2015 #25
OMG!! I love ED!!! Chuck Toad????? He's a lightweight! This is a conservative ploy. TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #26
ugh. did Todd lose his day job? Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #27
Next question--will they slide Todd out of the MTP slot? He's AWFUL. MADem Jul 2015 #29

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
1. I'd describe their schedule decisions over the last several years as flailingly clueless.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:24 PM
Jul 2015

Their decisions don't irritate me so much as they amaze and confuse me. It's like a chimp throwing darts at the wall.

davekriss

(4,628 posts)
7. Not clueless at all, it's political
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015

Are we surprised that, after a conservative company buys MSNBC from NBC, that the executives at MSNBC are trying to walk the line between moving broadcasts to the right and maintaining reasonable financial performance?

This is why consolidation of major media has been so dangerously toxic for the 99%. Voices at variance from the needs of the 1% are increasingly not heard.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
28. Moving to the right is just plain dumb
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

They'll never be able to out-faux Faux News, nor will they be able to get the brainwashed to give up their source of brainwashing.

If they really wanted to try something different from the other channels, maybe they should try "news," both reporting it and investigating it. And when it comes to politics, they could try education instead of opinion. Those things would mean someone in a corporate hierarchy had guts, though, and by definition no one with courage lasts long in corporate leadership.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
3. That probably means that Brian Williams is taking over MTP?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jul 2015

Hardly the stature of NBC Evening News but close.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
4. MSNBC isn't interested in what the viewers want
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

They are interested in ratings, which leads to them getting more money for commercials.

If they can't get the ratings they want from the Left/Progressive demographic, they'll find the ratings somewhere else. MSNBC (and any other media outlet) would turn itself into the White Supremacist Channel if they thought it would bring in a lot more viewers, ratings and money.

davekriss

(4,628 posts)
9. I don't completely agree
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

The parent company chooses executives that do not stray far from their values and beliefs, the executives hire producers and editors that don't stray, the producers and editors hire on-air personnel that espouse comfortable positions and viewpoints.

It's systematic, not conspiratorial, but with less competition the boardrooms have less tolerance for alternative voices. Where is the audience going to go? The owning class (the 0.1%) do not want to hear the media they own expressing ideas that are contrary to their interests, so increasingly they don't.

PufPuf23

(8,840 posts)
22. Ratings are conventional wisdom, reality is that the purchasers iof advertisements are
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jul 2015

purchasing a propaganda and brainwashing service more than product commercials.

There is no way that MSM media will hire journalists and personalities that would maximize viewership because corporate neoliberal will not pay for competitive thought.

MSM is at the point that the viewership will need to be re-brainwashed to accept broadcasts that are factual and in the best interests or the viewer.

themaguffin

(3,828 posts)
6. This isn't surprising. The network is struggling during the day which
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jul 2015

Should mostly be news focused, not opinion focused.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
14. Congrats, MSNBC.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jul 2015

Take one of your least-liked pundits and put him in front of the viewers more.

Dumbasses.


?v=1

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. I don't know how anyone can watch the M$M and still have a non-broken TV.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jul 2015

Best thing I ever did was give up cable TV.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. When I dumped cable I thought there was going to be a void in my life.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:04 PM
Jul 2015

Ends up, cable itself was the void in my life.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. Mine too!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:09 PM
Jul 2015

I look back at all the years that I vegetated in front of the TV yelling at CNN to do stuff like drop Glenn Beck! What a waste of time for me, I would have been better off hammering nails into the sidewalk.

Warpy

(111,361 posts)
30. If TCM doesn't get a better program director, I'm dumping mine
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:59 PM
Jul 2015

There is very little besides the old movies that I'm particularly interested in and they've been showing the type of movie that seems to have been picked by a younger Boomer male reliving his childhood. Ugh. Now the other channels are starting to show old "reality" TV shows. Cable is no longer worth it for people with brains. We might as well tune out and listen to good music.

Of course, I dumped broadcast news in 2004 and can't watch cable, I tried when I was in the hospital in April and bored out of my gourd. I just can't do it, all that breathy hysteria over the slightest little thing and I'm not talking about Pox News.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. I can't afford to pay for the AP wire, YET
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jul 2015

so they are my replacement for it. The down side. once they go into a story, like everybody else, they go on it for days, as a dog with a cool bone... so other news suffers.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. Yes
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

but when writing I just have any of these blathering in the background

Over the course of the day I will check both Reuters and AP a few times

Like I check the CHP Traffic for fires.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. Those are my two go-to sources. Reuters and AP and if I am at a friends house
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

we watch News Hour. Even though I am on the outs with NPR, I will listen to it in the car.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. I add to my diet
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jul 2015

a few Mexican papers, we are on the borders after all. Also BBC and Der Spiegel, especially for European issues.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. It's a business
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

news has not been about actual reporting for a while That said, if they actually go there and start doing hard news, it is because CNN gave up on that one a while. There is an opening.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
25. I stopped watching cable news years ago
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jul 2015

The only time I hear about it now is on DU. I wish everyone would break that bad, useless habit and stop adding to their ratings.

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
26. OMG!! I love ED!!! Chuck Toad????? He's a lightweight! This is a conservative ploy.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:35 PM
Jul 2015

If you don't get this....they are all owned by the corporations. CUT YOUR CORD.

you won't miss the cable!

Get a ROKU!!!!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. Next question--will they slide Todd out of the MTP slot? He's AWFUL.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:44 PM
Jul 2015
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/chuck-todd-msnbc-meet-the-press-1201546853/

That Olbermann rumor is making the rounds. Variety has that, too:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/columns/keith-olbermann-msnbc-leaves-espn-1201536388/

Olbermann is obviously a polarizing figure, but he’s too marketable a talent to stay on the sidelines for long, unless he chooses to do so. The real question is where he can find another platform that provides him the elbow room he needs to operate and that’s desperate enough to absorb the headaches historically associated with hiring him.

Of course, when you think about it that way, it’s hard to imagine a more logical home for Olbermann than (gulp) MSNBC, which has never fully recovered from losing him. Granted, such a reunion would certainly establish the host and his former network as a sort-of TV version of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor. Yet while those two might not have been a match made in heaven, for all the histrionics and fireworks, when all was said and done, they just sort of belonged together.

Put another way, a bit of wisdom from the late agent and producer Pat Faulstich comes to mind — one that pointed out we often don’t appreciate a job until after we’ve left it. In Hollywood, he once said, “The best job you’ll ever have is the one that precedes the one you always wanted.”
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