Crying kid in diner ignites Facebook war between mom, owner
http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_28511772/crying-kid-diner-ignites-facebook-war-between-mom?source=JBarTicker
Darla Neugebauer, owner of Marcy's Diner in Portland, is defending her actions amid social media uproar touched off when the child's mother blasted Neugebauer on Marcy's Facebook page. Neugebauer defended herself in a profanity-laced response. The initial wave of reaction included people who said they'll never eat at the restaurant again; this morning, although Neugebauer's post had been deleted, the diner's Facebook page was flooded with support for the owner.
Neugebauer wrote on Facebook that the girl had been crying for more than 40 minutes by the time she slammed her hands on the counter and told the girl to be quiet. She told WCSH-TV that her waitress had warned the parents that the order of three 12-inch pancakes was not only too large for the child but would take extra time to prepare. The parents nevertheless stuck with the order, she said, then proceeded to ignore their child's crying and didn't help her eat once the food arrived.
"Life's full of choices and you've got to live with all of them," Neugebauer said. "I chose to yell at a kid, it made her shut-up, which made me happy, it made my staff happy, it made the 75 other people dining here happy, and they left, they may never come back, other people may not come in. Their loss really."
Tara Carson, the mother of the child, wrote on Facebook that anyone with young children should understand that crying is normal after waiting such a long time for food.
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(Thankfully, I'm not one of them. 
And my scientific research has also proven that 3 out of 4 toddlers prefer grits to strained asparagus. I think it's because they're more fun to dip into and smear on the table, but more research is needed. 
)
"are there no workhouses"?
...I've recently re-connected with a number of friends from those days and they derive a great deal of pleasure from using the term "Massholes."
It's TRUE..."screaming at people, getting in their face and banging violently on their shit" really was the cream in our coffee.
been annoyed with myself for falling for that tactic. 
You keep ignoring the fact that the child in question here is 2. If we were talking about a 6 year old, or a 4 year old even, it would be a totally different story.
But since this is obviously going to inevitably degenerate into another one of these tired DU threads where people trot out tropes to axe grind against, and tilt at the imaginary windmills they have in their heads- it's already happened, in fact- let me add this:
All the bullshit one hears on, say, political websites where the demographics skew a bit ...older than the internet in general, crap about "in my day" and grousy bullshit about screens and minecraft and "special snowflakes" and "everyone gets a trophy"; I'm gonna add this, and then I'm done playing:
The first special snowflake generation has grown to voting age and is largely responsible for putting a Democrat in the white house for the past 7 years (and, in the process, protecting the social security of people who piss and moan about 'those kids today'). You're welcome.
The "everyone gets a trophy" kids matured into "everyone should have the right to get married" adults. Funny how that works.
But, you know, back in the day shit was done so much better.
But honestly, I don't really give a shit. Don't like how I write, put me on fucking ignore. Or be amazed.
I suspect my post hit a nerve, that's the real issue. 
and Welcome to DU.
However, a 2 year old having a meltdown isn't indicative of a "bratty special snowflake" who hasn't been "taught discipline"- 2 year olds have meltdowns, it's not about a "lack of discipline".
Abso-fucking-lutely the parents should have removed the kid after the 1st minute or so. If anyone is disputing that, it's not me. What I'm disputing are these goofy armchair parenting arguments about how "in my day kids were seen and not heard" or some such crap.
People have- predictably- taken this thread, like they always take threads like this- as an opportunity to wax nostalgic about the good old days and whine endlessly about modern parenting styles or facebook or unleaded gasoline, or whatever it is this week.
Actually, the parents in this story, if the propietor is to be believed, totally ignored their kid as well as the other people in the eating establishment. They weren't "coddling their special snowflake", they kind of forgot the special snowflake was even there with them, at least until the owner started yelling.
That, to me, is way more indicative of a 1965 parenting style, than a 2015 one.
Just askin'
But, full disclosure, I knew I'd set the teeth flying with that post. I understand my audience.
i love that one.
and one or two times a years I write a check. I live a cash life basically, but there are still some things I am not there in person to pay, like sending money to DU and other things I support. Yes I'm old, and I do know in 2015 bitcoin reigns, but fortunately my bank still allows checks.
It's the people who are literally there for 45 minutes haggling over coupons, that I'm talking about.
is for a 40 year old woman to throw a screaming fit right back
No one's pancakes are good enough to wait 40 minutes for.
I've had hypoglycemia as an adult and it is hell. The parents were irresponsible in not feeding the child. They didn't help the child eat? WTF is wrong with them?
I've had to argue with bosses that didn't want to take a lunch break, and tell them they could call my doctor and discuss it with him. The kid needed protein, not a huge pancake full of starch and sugar. A piece of cheese and some crackers maybe?
Everybody involved but the kid has serious problems. If you have hypoglycemia and don't eat, eventually you will get dizzy and pass out. You can die from low blood sugar. Everyone thought hypoglycemia was a fad disease in the 1980s but in my case it was real.
Meanwhile, the woman yells at the kid, terrorizing the kid, and the kid doesn't get fed anyway. No problems were solved. They were just made worse.
Including gunplay in the parking lot like that one CEC in Florida.
at least its free to view
behaved like jackasses. The parents for not feeding their screaming child and for letting said screaming child go on screaming without intervening or removing the child from the situation, and the owner for yelling at the child instead of remaining calm like she should have done.
I have 2 kids, and they have had their fair share of meltdowns. First rule of parenting: always have an exit plan (and be willing to use it at any given moment). Second rule of parenting: always have a backup plan, in case your first plan fails.
Yes, it's time all of us reasonable composed adults make it clear that unruly tantrums are unacceptable, preferably by freaking the fuck out, banging on counters, and yelling at the top of our lungs at a 21 month old.
FUCK YOU, BABY! SHOW SOME FUCKING RESPECT!
WOO-HOO IM A FUCKING HERO OF ADULT FUCKING REASONABLENESS BECAUSE I SCREAMED AND YELLED AT A FUCKING BABY!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/07/22/im-the-mom-whose-encounter-with-an-angry-maine-diner-owner-went-viral-heres-what-happened/
Irony, it's the shackles of youth.
And you know what? If any 21 month olds are reading this thread, I'll apologize to them for my inappropriateness.
However, assuming we're all adults, I suspect people can survive a few "fuck"s. (If not- you know, delicate ears and whatnot- then again, that little man icon with the red "x" is the ignore button. Works great.)
Also, speaking of which- just so we're clear- I don't give a flying philadelphia one whether you like my writing style OR accept my expertise on parenting matters. If you really think 21 month olds only have meltdowns because they haven't been "properly disciplined", great, bully for you.
