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Playinghardball

(11,665 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:46 PM Jul 2015

Interesting question: Is what is being waged against black people genocide?



Broderick Greer ?@BroderickGreer · 2h2 hours ago
I've been challenged on this, but I still wholeheartedly believe what is being waged against black people is genocide


Broderick Greer ?@BroderickGreer · 2h2 hours ago
The only one of these qualifications for genocide that doesn't apply to black people is E.

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Interesting question: Is what is being waged against black people genocide? (Original Post) Playinghardball Jul 2015 OP
If you apply the "force" fredamae Jul 2015 #1
Not according to the international court's interpretation of that provision onenote Jul 2015 #2
they should have said "substantial part" then hfojvt Jul 2015 #3
Yes it is genocide Kalidurga Jul 2015 #4
i would call it more of a "eugenics program" to create a permanent underclass 0rganism Jul 2015 #5
I think the most direct comparison would be to the violence surrounding the Civil Rights Movement Maedhros Jul 2015 #6
no seveneyes Jul 2015 #7
Doesn't seem to apply... Henryville Jul 2015 #8
No, and even asking trivializes actual genocide cemaphonic Jul 2015 #9
I know a good number of people who have adopted black children from CPS gollygee Jul 2015 #10
Interesting thought matt819 Jul 2015 #11

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
1. If you apply the "force"
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jul 2015

of State Authorities/Childrens Protective Services.....and taking kids away from their parents for simply allowing their children to walk to and play in a park in their own neighborhoods etc?
I think "E" could be considered applicable as well.
And yes, I have pondered this very question and I, sadly....think perhaps - yes.
What was it called when they wiped out Native Americans? What is the difference between that and what is happening to AA today, besides time, method and a date on the calendar?
This is Everybody's problem.
I hope more folks can understand it is up to all of us to End the Division being used Against us all and start Standing Up for and With those who are oppressed-no matter who it is.
Together "we" can. Divided "we" can't.

onenote

(42,715 posts)
2. Not according to the international court's interpretation of that provision
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jul 2015

In particular, intent to destroy requires an intent to physically eliminate the presence of a group. And "in whole or in part" means entirely or in such substantial part, or such an essential part, as to make likely the eventual destruction of the group.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
3. they should have said "substantial part" then
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:16 PM
Jul 2015

because the way it is written now, if you deliberately kill ONE person (a very small part, but still a part) then that's a genocide.

Then again, if even one woman survives, then, at least in theory, a part of the group could also survive. After all, one couple, Robert White and Bridget Allgar from the 1570s are said to have well over 10,000,000 descendants today.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Yes it is genocide
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:29 PM
Jul 2015

Even if out right murder isn't done there is a shorter life expectancy and it's even worse for poor POC.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
5. i would call it more of a "eugenics program" to create a permanent underclass
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:36 PM
Jul 2015

genocide would be killing the goose that lays golden eggs.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. I think the most direct comparison would be to the violence surrounding the Civil Rights Movement
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jul 2015

in the 60's, such as the murder of three civil rights workers in Neshoba County Mississippi in June 1964.

Back then, the perpetrators wore hoods. Now, they wear badges.

Back then, black Americans were gaining equal rights. Now, a black man ascended to the presidency. Both are serious threats to the reactionary racists' status quo, prompting violence in response.

cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
9. No, and even asking trivializes actual genocide
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

Look at the history of the Holocaust, or the Armenian genocide, or the history of indigenous people of North America or Australia.

Racial problems in the US are not even close to being on the same scale. Also, the typical usage of the word are all in cases where the acts to destroy a particular ethnic group are a matter of deliberate government policy at the highest levels, which is clearly not the case in the US.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. I know a good number of people who have adopted black children from CPS
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jul 2015

after they've been forcibly taken away from their parents. I think it works as well as any of the others anyway.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
11. Interesting thought
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:00 PM
Jul 2015

Mass incarceration, near daily murders by police, elimination of social services for the poor, largely substandard education, limited access to health care leading to higher mortality rates.

True, you don't want to associate with the kinds of genocide in wwii, Armenia, Rwanda but dong necessarily dismiss out of hand.

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