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Stop the testing...Bring back the joy.. (Original Post) Playinghardball Jul 2015 OP
There is very little learning without joy. mmonk Jul 2015 #1
Amen.... daleanime Jul 2015 #3
When my sons were young, SheilaT Jul 2015 #2
I Went To Summer School A Few Years ProfessorGAC Jul 2015 #5
This is such an important message. kentuck Jul 2015 #4
Oh yeah, they do AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #14
This is why we homeschooled our kids. kath Jul 2015 #6
boy howdy. mopinko Jul 2015 #12
I would like to see a mass movement by parents to opt edhopper Jul 2015 #7
lots of folks did that in illinois. mopinko Jul 2015 #13
high stakes testing is bullshit. mopinko Jul 2015 #8
And you........ MyOwnPeace Jul 2015 #10
not me. i have no manners. lol. mopinko Jul 2015 #11
That's how I didn't learn my times tables... haikugal Jul 2015 #9
K&R G_j Jul 2015 #15
Find out what the kid loves... hunter Jul 2015 #16
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
2. When my sons were young,
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jul 2015

I enrolled them in summer programs of various kinds, and one of the best was run by the Shawnee Mission (KS) school district. There were week long programs for most of the summer, various topics and themes: cooking, Chinese language and culture, various crafts. What I was most struck by was how much my kids actually learned along with how much fun they had. It was clear to me that this ought to be the base model for school, especially in the early years. Yes, they have to learn to read, write, and do basic math. But so many things are best learned hands-on.

ProfessorGAC

(65,078 posts)
5. I Went To Summer School A Few Years
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

For just what you described. I was a straight A student, so i didn't NEED summer school, but i went to take wood shop, track and field class, basic electrical one year, and like that. It was fun, killed a few hours each day (although i think it was only 4 days a week) and i got to meet some cute girls who went to different schools than mine.

Worked pretty good for me.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
4. This is such an important message.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jul 2015

I don't think they do it on purpose? Stealing joy from the children's lives?...

kath

(10,565 posts)
6. This is why we homeschooled our kids.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jul 2015

We wanted to keep their curiosity and love of learning alive.
Schools tend to suck out the joy of learning and suck the life out of the child. We did NOT want this done to our children.

We pulled our oldest out 19 years ago, after kindergarten.Did this because the kindergarten was NOT developmentally appropriate, (sat in on a first grade classrom, and that was even worse) and the emphasis on standardized testing in the schools was too much.
HA - compared to now, things were great then. The emphasis on testing, and on treating the youngest ones in VERY developmentally inappropriate ways has gotten worse and worse and worse. I weep for this country's children, especially the littlest ones as they enter the soul-sucking school system.

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
12. boy howdy.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jul 2015

my oldest is now working on a phd in experimental math. all he needed was support. travel, trips to the library, field trips, books. paper. pens.
and TOYS!! omg that boy had a lego collection and made the most amazing stuff.
the first week of school i usually just let them fool around with all their school supplies.

i never told them what to learn, really. we had art days and so on, but they mostly devised their own projects.

when #1 son got older he spent a couple of years teaching himself programming languages, and doing the first of the mit freeware.
when he decided to go on to college, he got exactly one b, the rest all a's. top in his class.

all my kids follow their passions and teach themselves what they need to know. because what we studied was how to learn. i think that is the one thing they dont allow in schools any more. one size fits all, ya know.

edhopper

(33,591 posts)
7. I would like to see a mass movement by parents to opt
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jul 2015

their children out of these test. When 50, 60 or 70% of the kids don't take them, they will become meaningless.

I am very sure most teachers will back them.

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
13. lots of folks did that in illinois.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:33 PM
Jul 2015

they added another damn test and the parents and the kids said- fu.

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
8. high stakes testing is bullshit.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jul 2015

one thing that i really lived by when we were homeschoolers- i read a column from a well known columnist, tho i dont remember who it was.
it was about bringing computers into the news room. he said there was no question that everyone would learn it, the only difference was how quickly.
why isnt reading taught like that?

and really, most kids barely need to be taught to read. so many figure it out on their own. or need just a little help. (then the teacher gets the credit.)

when we started out, my son was 5. he had been read to a lot. all i needed to do was give him a few keys, and he had it all unlocked in 2 weeks.

we should stop telling them what to learn and just help them learn what they want to know. that is how you make life long learners.

MyOwnPeace

(16,928 posts)
10. And you........
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jul 2015

my friend, need to be on a school board, or a state representative, or a US congressman!
These are the people that can stop the nonsense that's going on. Trust me, good educators are with you and would be your allies (which would probably cost you votes!).

mopinko

(70,138 posts)
11. not me. i have no manners. lol.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jul 2015

and i suspect that teachers and i would disagree about a lot of things.
chicago school board would be kinda sweet, tho. i could raise some ruckus there.

hunter

(38,318 posts)
16. Find out what the kid loves...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 12:45 AM
Jul 2015

... and give them plenty of good reading materials about that subject.

They'll read, and with some guidance, they'll begin to do the math too.

Turning reading and math into stressful "work" turns kids away from it.

There's nothing to hate about reading or math, even for people with "learning disorders."

But somehow our schools turn out kids who "hate" reading and math.

This insane emphasis on testing doesn't make children "smarter."

Our schools are graduating A+ students who are boring conformists who are good at passing tests, and a mess of kids who hate school and don't really have any practical knowledge of math or science or much of anything else.

How are they dealing, as adults, with our rapidly changing world? They're not. They see Donald Trump on television and think he'd be a great President.

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