I'm thinking Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez has more in common with James Holmes than with...

[MohRokTah]

Nidal Malik Hasan.

Both are young men in their 20's and both simply snapped and started on a killing spree.



Abdulazeez



Holmes

[underpants]

1. Yesterday - 1 mass shooter was convicted, 1was arraigned, and 1 committed a mass shooting

Dots connected.

[MohRokTah]

2. All young men in their 20s with easy access to guns and all snapped and went on killing sprees. eom

[malaise]

3. Yep

I pointed that out on a thread - scary shite!!!

Common to all - access to guns. How the fugg does someone just buy an AK47? For what fugging reason?

[underpants]

8. I missed that he had an AK

But I watched Fox News this morning ( will post about it) and they never mentioned it. They were in full ARM THE TROOPS mode. They even had "experts" on to add voices to the choir. Clearly they are blowing back on the obvious issue here to go on the offensive. BTW - it was Clinton's fault ...and now Obama's. The fact that this was a DoD directive that happened during Poppa Bush's administration was just too unconvenient for them to mention.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. "Common to all - access to guns."

Andreas Lubitz

[oberliner]

4. Do you think the choice of target was incidental?

Or do you think this this person wanted to kill US Marines in particular?

[Eugene Stoner]

5. This question has an obvious answer

Seeing how he did shootings at two locations and drove miles between the locations that housed targets of the same demographics, It is blatantly obvious that this person wanted to kill US Marines. Anyone who ignores this fact or obfuscates the details with more randomly focused incidents because of gender and age is disingenuous. Clearly this young man had a well formed motive where as James Holmes was playing out some fantasy.

[oberliner]

6. That was why I directed it to the poster of this OP

Seems obvious to me as well, but I'm curious to hear if the OP poster has a different opinion and, if so, based on what reasoning.

[Gormy Cuss]

22. Maybe killing Marines was his fantasy.

It's a bit too soon to leap to the conclusion that he was anymore focused than James Holmes.

[Fred Sanders]

26. Obviously...why did I not see that, Dr. Stoner? Then there is that Roof fellow...how does he fit?

The OP makes a point by missing a point, that I will concede.

[NaturalHigh]

7. On what are you basing this hypothesis?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. An emotional need.

[NaturalHigh]

15. I suspect as much too.

[LanternWaste]

41. Seems more like informal conjecture more than an analytical hypothesis...

Seems more like informal conjecture more than an analytical hypothesis...

[bemildred]

9. Arguable, but who really gives a shit which he was more like?

What about his motives and where he got the idea and the guns?

He was not crazy, he was very effective at killing Marines, not some amateur.

[cwydro]

10. James Holmes shot random civilians at a movie theater.

This killer from yesterday targeted military members.

I see a big difference there.

[Fred Sanders]

13. What is a random civilian? Both young were insane and the easy availability of guns made their

insane thoughts turn into yet a another mass killing.

The problem is not complex, it is what it always was.....too many guns, too easy to get.

The Solution?

Is Down Under.

[NaturalHigh]

14. I'm curious; what makes you think Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez was insane?

Maybe he was just a bad guy.

[cwydro]

16. All right, take the random out of it.

Though what I meant was that he did not "target" anyone specifically. The people killed just happened to be in that theater on that night.

Yesterday's killer obviously was targeting military members.

On the access to guns - I completely agree.

[Fred Sanders]

18. Ex: "Roof was obviously targeting a Christian Church, so he was obviously targeting Christians."

See how that does not work to determine what is and isn't obvious very well at all?

[Bluenorthwest]

29. Roof targeted an African American gathering place, so he was obviously targeting African Americans

which is also what he said he was doing.

[MoonRiver]

19. There's no evidence Muhammad was insane.

He was reportedly a funny, outgoing guy with lots of friends. That does not compute with the persona of an insane person. Also, there is no history, that I know of, about mental health issues with him. Holmes is another matter altogether.

[Fred Sanders]

21. Friendly. Well-liked. Same profile of a lot of mass murderers, sane and insane.

And most of my friends!

The point being, why engage in futile and collateral debate about the personality profiles of the gun-wielding killers and instead focus on the impeccable logic of not giving would-be killers a gun, or guns, so easily in the first place?

[MoonRiver]

23. Someone said Muhammad was insane.

I'm just putting the record straight. As a psychologist, I will eat my diploma if it is discovered he was insane. And that friendly, outgoing (charming?) behavior is more indicative of a sociopath, than a delusional person.

[Fred Sanders]

27. A real Internet psychologist would not make such a vapid diagnosis. Excepting Dr. Ablow of Fox.

And such diagnosis are made by psychiatrists, not psychologists, if I am not mistaken.

[MoonRiver]

33. They are also made by psychologists.

And I am not making a diagnosis, just giving my professional opinion. Apparently it is ok with you for people with no apparent credentials giving him a diagnosis, but when a professional offers insight, that is over the top. What a croc.

[Fred Sanders]

35. Just saying, your rhetoric is not that of a professional. But since it is the internet I will just

have to take folks for their word.

Those are the rules.

[MoonRiver]

38. Yes, you will have to take my word for it. I'm not going to put my security at risk

to satisfy your (curiosity?), or whatever. You are quite offensive, btw.

[Fred Sanders]

42. You are confusing curiosity with skepticism. Common mistake on comment threads.

[MoonRiver]

43. I have been a licensed psychologist for 20 years.

Since I cannot verify my credentials on an anonymous internet message board, you will have to accept, or not, what I say about my professional credentials. Doesn't matter a hill of beans to me.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

44. Another mistake I've noticed is people confusing douchiness with cleverness. What do you think? nt

[snooper2]

24. If you follow what your holy book says are you insane?

[leftynyc]

37. A jury decided Holmes was NOT insane

so what makes you the expert in sanity? How about there are some angry people out there who are murderous scum? Like the repulsive worm who killed 4 marines yesterday.

[MoonRiver]

17. Except one wasn't insane. n/t

[hack89]

20. Fail. Holmes meticulously planned his attack over several months

He did not snap. Few mass killers just snap.

[brooklynite]

25. And your psychological analysis is based on...?

Additionally, are we to infer some similarity from the two photos?

[MH1]

32. The photos ARE similar. The question is whether anything else

can be inferred from the similarity.

As soon as I saw this new shooter's photo, it reminded me chillingly of Holmes. The eyes, the smug half-smile, the general shape and look.

You would be correct to say it might not mean anything at all. Still, chilling. (to anyone who notices the similarity, and it jumped right out at me.)

[Fred Sanders]

39. What can you divine from this photo and comparing to another to reach a conclusion, then?...............

Compare to this topical photo and make conclusions:

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Neither 'snapped and started on a spree' as Holmes had planned extensively for his killings and

Abdulazeez went to one location to find the targets he sought and then traveled to another to find other such targets.
How do you deal with those facts in your theory?

[MADem]

30. I think, to riff on Freud, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

This guy was born in Kuwait, and now lives in USA. He is cut off from his roots. Some people embrace that, others react with a longing for things they never knew. Being from Kuwait, it is not unlikely that he has or had family in Iraq (remember how Saddam Hussein averred that Kuwait was Iraq's 'lost province?' There are many cross-border families in the region).

If they search Muhamad Yusef's computer, I'll bet they find he's been reading Inspire! and visiting jihadist sites. I think he targeted Marine recruiters because, of all military targets, recruiting stations--particularly those in strip malls--are the easiest targets. Anyone can walk in and start shooting.

Anyone who has kept their eyes open in the past month or so can SEE that we're in an elevated threatcon. It's especially noticeable around airports. If Bush were still in office, we'd have the AG on tee vee, droning on about THREATCON ORANGE and BE VERY AFRAID and NON-SPECIFIC THREAT and SEE SOMETHING SAY SOMETHING yadda yadda yadda....which would make everyone anxious but wouldn't help one bit. The people who monitor these things know something's up--it's a real pity they didn't catch this one ahead of time. We'll learn more as the story unfolds...

[Oneironaut]

31. I think most of ISIS has a lot in common with James Holmes.

They're all alienated, frustrated, powerless young men who turned to extremism because it was their only source of identity and accomplishment.

[951-Riverside]

34. To suggest that this is terrorism related because of his name is racist and irresponsible

Islam is a religion of peace and his actions are not characteristic of followers of that faith nor is his recent arrest for DUI. Remember alcohol is forbidden for muslims.

I think we have a young man who may have had a dispute with someone at the center and simply snapped one day.

[riderinthestorm]

36. Abdulazeez issued chilling warning of jihad days before the shooting

Source: The Daily Beast

Three days before he set out in a silver Mustang convertible and murdered four Marines, 24-year-old Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez all but announced his intentions in a pair of blog posts.

One, headlined “Understanding Islam: The Story of the Three Blind Men,” declared that the original disciples of the prophet were not “like priests living in monasteries.”

“Every one of them fought Jihad for the sake of Allah,” Abdulazeez wrote as myabdulazeez.

The second post was headlined “A Prison Called Dunya,” that being a term for the material world.

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/16/chattanooga-shooter-gave-a-chilling-warning-of-jihad.html



Did Holmes issue calls for jihad?

[Fred Sanders]

40. No. Did Fox call for a religious and/or race war? Yes. Most every day.

[riderinthestorm]

45. Did Holmes shoot up the theater to start a race war or for religious reasons?

The OP states Holmes and Abdulazeez had the same motives for their actions.

I don't believe that at all.

[Darb]

46. Simple solution really, sell guns at conveniece stores.

We need to be able to get them more easily.