Trayvon Martin: "...gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” ..."

[uponit7771]

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-autopsy-single-gunshot-wound-cut-on-knuckle/

*Florida teenager Trayvon Martin died from a single gunshot wound to the chest fired from “intermediate range,” according to an autopsy report reviewed Wednesday by NBC News

QUESTION: What does "intermediate range" mean?

Their are media sources no doubt trying to spin this story, the knuckle reports haven't been official

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

NRA and it's homies are getting nervous or people reporting this are just being f**kin sloppy to no end.


Thx for any input

[southernyankeebelle]

1. I am assuming that means there was a few feet between them. Not close.

[uponit7771]

2. That's how I read it too....I'm thinking 5 - 6 ft which would be consistant with a fight...

...and not someone getting their head pounded in and pulling a gun to shoot someone in the upper chest while laying down on their back....

That to me is the weirdest part about what the M$M is reporting

[southernyankeebelle]

4. Even stranger is his family doctor now saying that Zimmerman had a broken nose and 2 black

eyes. I'd want to see pictures of that. I don't believe it.

[uponit7771]

6. I'm not a doc but I saw the guy walk into the PS and saw little to no signs of this

[southernyankeebelle]

27. You know I don't remember seeing any black eyes or broken nose. I'm not a doctor. Got

to wonder.

[vaberella]

12. Some people said that you can develop those the black eyes days later.

So I'll let that pass. But this is a family doctor and well...family doctors have helped me out in the past if I said I needed a doctors note.

[southernyankeebelle]

26. But you can't cover up a broken nose.

[Bake]

13. And all Trayvon had was a small abrasion on his ring finger?

Sounds to me like Trayvon didn't break Zippy's nose or blacken his eyes. So the next question is, who did?

Bake

[uponit7771]

15. The MSM is reporting that he had wounds on his knuckles...that pisses me off to no end

....and I agree with you..

You break someones nose your hand swells especially at that age

[vaberella]

18. Does it stop swelling if you die? Shit, I don't know the body. Are there doctors on DU? n/t

[uponit7771]

20. word

[southernyankeebelle]

24. You got that right. That is his family friend doctor. I don't trust them

[vaberella]

8. There is seriously something going on.

I can't even picture the idea of maybe Zimmerman getting away from Trayvon and trying to run away. And let's say Trayvon is running after him...then did he stop to fire at Trayvon? But Trayvon would be fast, he was on the football team. Plus, you don't get a good aim when you are running and then shooting. I am lost. Why does this sound like an execution style sort of thing. It's like Trayvon stopped and him might have had a scuffle. Zimmerman got away and pulled out his gun. Trayvon sees this and stops. But instead of waiting for the cops, Zimmerman wanted retribution (if he was attacked) and killed him. Ahhhh....that would be murder 2 then, right?

[vaberella]

5. What? You know that fucks up Zimmerman's claims right?

I mean I am stuck on what to believe. I mean it makes his story seem really washy. It also gives me the impression that Trayvon was moving away from him. I don't get it.

[uponit7771]

9. It matters what "intermediate" range was, some stupid ass'd M$M reporters aren't reporting

...the official report and are saying it was close range.

If intermediate means 6 ft or so then this fits MOST peoples notion that Martin was shot

Also, how in the world does an upper chest wound occur when someone is lying down on their back and shooting up...

It would be a lower chest wound or the angle would be funny...

Read the FBI is getting involved, I can see why...

Stupid ass'd police department...

People don't understand it's the contempt of the PD for this young man that people are upset about also...

It's crazy

[slackmaster]

16. Intermediate range is somewhere between close and far

For a rifle it would be about 200 - 500 yards. For a handgun, inches to a few feet.

[vaberella]

17. So we know nothing then? n/t

[slackmaster]

21. We aren't forensic experts. I found a document from the UU school of medicine that may help

http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNINJ.html

The terminology is based on the appearance and other characteristics of the wound.

My perspective is from target shooting and self-defense training. Quite different than medical examiner speak.

ETA apparently it doesn't mean any specific distance, just close enough that there is powder tattooing around the wound but not in contact.

[uponit7771]

19. What do the police call it? What would a PA call "intermediate"? TIA

[PotatoChip]

23. I've always understood it to mean 'arm's length' (Edited- found a definition)

But I could be wrong.

ETA: Not sure if link answers the question properly though- other then the fact that it seems to suggest that slackmaster probably had it right. Or it may be somewhere in between what he and I said.

Link mentions 'hard contact wounds, 'contact wounds', 'intermediate-range wounds', and finally 'distance wounds' as the 4 forensic categories.

In intermediate-range wounds, the muzzle is held away from the skin but close enough that it still produces powder tattooing. This type of wound is also characterized by numerous reddish-brown to orange-red lesions around the entrance to the wound.
http://www.relentlessdefense.com/forensics/gunshot-wounds/

[slackmaster]

25. The definitions I've seen say not in contact but close enough that there is powder "tattooing"...

...on the skin, whatever that means.

I don't believe it's possible for us to translate that into an accurate distance range.

[PotatoChip]

29. Ha. Beat me to it.

I must have been editing when you wrote that.

ETA: Reread your other post- you and I were apparently saying the same thing to begin with. D'oh.

[southernyankeebelle]

30. I totally agree with you. Zimmerman gets off it will be legal murder.

[vaberella]

3. I don't know about the 'intermediate range' but that crossed my mind the fresh abrasions.

The main reason is because it could be seen that Trayvon could have been the one on the ground with Zimmerman on top of him and he was grabbing on Zimmerman to defend himself--and got in a swing. Or it could have happened in the transportation of the body...considering he was in the morgue for 3 days...and for some reason they were not releasing the body to the parents.

[uponit7771]

14. Man o man, the people involved in this were so sloppy no sense of professionalism at all...

...no sense of compassion either.

My understanding is they knew who the young man was and where he lived and decided not to tell the parents...

my goodness...

[Quezacoatl]

7. So not close range as in a close fight

Also when here fired the gun would his arm also be somewhat extended? Yet still not close range.

Also intermediate range suggests that there wasn't a fight for the weapon.

[vaberella]

10. Zimmerman's brother I believe claimed there was one; as told to him by Zimmerman. n/t

[uponit7771]

11. I'm guessing this also, I don't know what that range could be officially but it doesn't look like it

...was 1ft away while someone was getting their head pounded into the ground.

Also, the bullet angle would have to angle upword towards Martins shoulder if the arm wasn't extended somewhat...

ZMan should submit his help scream for sound analysis....him not submitting his voice scream is what is making me think he was guilty as sin and just a hot head who let loose on the wrong black kid that night

[NoGOPZone]

22. Intermediate range doesn't tell us much

but keep in mind it says nothing about the range at which the weapon is effective but instead refers to what was found during an examination of the wound and the body and clothing of the victim.

[ileus]

28. Today show guest said 4 inches or a foot at most.

When I heard intermediate range I was thing 6-8 feet.

[nykym]

31. Maybe it was fired from

the grassy knoll!