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Someone posted this earlier. I never thought about the possibility. Do you know of any double cousins or are you one?
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)No, I don't recall ever meeting any.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Two of my uncles married sisters of another family.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)my father and his brother married my mom and my aunt.
The two sisters are the results of that marriage.
truegrit44
(332 posts)It isn't cousins marrying cousins. My husband's 2 sisters each married into unrelated family of 2 brothers. So both have the same last names and their children from these marriages are double cousins. I would guess that blood wise these children who are double cousins would be close to half siblings and that would be NOT good if they were to marry each other
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)
I will add this
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)mom's side and dad's side
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)That happens?
<--Head currently exploded--
Chances are, people don't even know that it is legal in the state they are in.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)We are the weirdos to much of the rest of the world. The cousin marriage ban is a 1500 year experiment by the Roman Catholic Church.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)It shows MD, and other states that show it is legal.
I didn't even realize that it was legal.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Xyzse
(8,217 posts)tblue37
(65,499 posts)family. The monarchs of the various European countries were cousins, nieces and nephews, grandparents and grandchildren, and every other kind of consanguinity. Kaiser Wilhelm was Queen Victoria's eldest grandson!
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)If double cousins married each other and had children:
First generation, unrelateds:
Parent A arent B -->Child E; Child F
Parent C arent D -->Child G; Child H
Child E:Child G --> Child 1; Child 2 (I'm running out of alphabet)
Child F:Child H --> Child 3; Child 4
Children 1,2 are now double first cousins to children 3, 4.
If
Child1:Child3 -- > Child I,
Then
Child I has only four great grand parents as well as four grand parents.
In groups where cousin marriage is common, there are higher rates of genetic disorders. In the end, the recessives win.
In much of the Arabic world, high rates of cousin marriage have produced higher rates of genetic disorders, and I think most of wealthy countries now require genetic testing before marriage.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)My mother fell in love and married my father. She has a younger sister. My father has a younger brother. My mother's sister (my aunt) and my father's brother (my uncle) fell in love and married. They had two children. The two children are my double cousins.
It's not even gross when you think about it.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)each other.I'm a double cousin,my mom and her cousin married brothers (my dad and my uncle) their kids (myself included) are 1st and second cousins.
susanna
(5,231 posts)Except it was my dad and his female cousin who married siblings (my mom, her brother).
It is kind of convoluted when I think about it, so I just try not to.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)susanna
(5,231 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)They are the product of two pairs of siblings marrying (which still doesn't involve anyone with known common ancestry marrying each other). The point is that NC then prohibits the children of those marriages from marrying each other. The people in the OP are 1st and 1st cousins.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)My mom's sister and my dad's brother married, two children.
My dad's sister and my mom's first cousin married, three children.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)I can see it happening. I dated a brother of my sister's boyfriend while in highschool. None of us married each other but I can see how you could get interested in the sibling of partner of your sibling.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Moms sisters, from different families? Are they sisters or are they from different families?
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)2 brothers (Jones) marry 2 sisters (Smiths). Their kids are cousins on dad's side, since dads are brothers. Their kids are also cousins on mom's side since moms are sisters.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Thanks for clarifying. Sometimes I confuse easily.
monmouth4
(9,711 posts)double cousins...
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)I guess this goes on...
gollygee
(22,336 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yeah the "double cousin" thing is interesting.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)Thanks
closeupready
(29,503 posts)and the population was more rural. These days in the US, it's unheard of.
shanti
(21,675 posts)i have several examples of this in my family tree on both sides. if one lived in a small community of several families, you usually picked from that community, especially if they belonged to the same church.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)same as most previous posts... a set of brothers married a set of sisters and both had kids...
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)but it happens from time to time. There were some double cousins in my high school. At least one set.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Life's interesting, isn't it?
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)when opportunities to meet eligible partners were more constricted.
I know of at least one family today that has double cousins, but in my and my spouses genealogy there are several instances.
Also, with smaller families today, there are fewer opportunities for those types of marriages.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Large families and few opportunities to meet eligible partners would encourage brothers to marry sisters and have kids. There are fewer such communities these days, and families are smaller.
There was one set of such marriages in my wife's family, a generation before her parents. Small farm town in South Dakota. So, there are double cousins around, in her mother's generation. None of them married another double cousin, though. That's been a taboo pairing for some time, I think.
I know some first cousins who married, though. Several, in fact. Again, they're from rural areas. No bad effects from it, though.
I had a brief relationship with a first cousin from another state as a teenager, but it never went very far. As I remember, it was a source of much amusement and teasing at the time from other family members.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)especially in the teen years, when they are first noticing the opposite sex, and in each other's company frequently.
I would think older family members would discourage, if they saw it progressing, just because of society's taboos associated with marriage between cousins. Some relationships cannot be prevented though - they'll happen regardless.
And, yes, you're correct re double cousins in smaller communities.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)and there's no taboo involved in many places in the US. About half the states have no prohibition against it, and there's no appreciable genetic risk that's higher than random pairings really. It's really a regional and religion-based taboo.
What I remember was that nobody raised any issue with me and my first cousin being interested in each other. Lots of teasing about it at family gatherings and lots of "kissing cousins" jokes, but that was it. I suppose, if it continued, there wouldn't have been any objections raised had we decided to marry, either.
It's purely a social taboo, and not a universal one, apparently. It's always been a shrugging thing for me. I know married first cousins. They seem just like any other couple.
1939
(1,683 posts)If it happens too often, you get into the problems of inbreeding.
"You know you are a redneck if your family tree doesn't fork."
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)But, again, in isolated, rural communities, relationships in families are often hard to figure out, really. These days, it would be far less likely for first cousins to marry, and it would probably stop at that marriage and not extend any further within the family.
There's actually a discussion forum on the internet about cousin marriage, where people discuss this issue from a personal point of view. Here's the link, if you're interested:
http://www.cousincouples.com/forum/
I happened on it after another thread on DU on this subject.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)My father's sister was married to my mother's brother. My parents were the younger siblings. However, the birth families of my mother and father and their respective siblings were not related. So, we do not fit quite this desciption of being the progeny of first cousins having married then reproducing.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)I figured it out when doing some genealogy research. A couple of brothers married sisters.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)My mother and one of sisters both married brothers from a different family.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)No genetic relationship at all. Their parents married each other while their kids were dating in high school. In fact that's how the two divorced parents met, through their children dating. The teenagers were good friends of mine.
The kids graduated and got married. I saw them at my 50th HS reunion. Still happy and with two adult children. I remember they had some serious restrictions after their parents married and they were all living in the same house. They could date each other, but no displays of affection in the house. It was interesting, and a bit awkward, too.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)some in my Mother's Maternal Family from back in the mid 1930's I believe and it was in Illinois.
LeftinOH
(5,359 posts)Not sure if that's the same thing.. but their kids (who are my cousins, and also cousins to each other) all look very much alike - like siblings.
Renew Deal
(81,883 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:40 PM - Edit history (1)
but they could in many other places.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)what is the exact distinction between cousin marriage legal and first-cousin marriage prohibited. I bet all of the states in green have different degrees of prohibition of cousin marriage.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Wikipedia has an article that spells it all out, state by state. Wikipedia has everything. As far as I know, the information on that page is accurate and up-to-date.
21 states allow first cousin marriage with no restrictions.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Two of my cousins (male brothers) married two sisters. The sisters they married grew up down the street from where I grew up. One couple has three children - twin girls and a boy, and the other couple has a girl and a boy.
MANative
(4,112 posts)My maternal grandfather and his brother married two sisters. Subsequently, that great-uncle and great-aunt had five daughters and two sons. Three of the daughters married three brothers. The daughter and son of one of those marriages then wed a brother and sister.
angryvet
(181 posts)they lived in Ohio but had to go to Pennsylvania to marry. We've suffered no bad results. Lots of Democrats.
Squinch
(51,047 posts)double cousins.
It's something that happens in almost every other generation in my mother's family.
Retrograde
(10,164 posts)Solly Mack
(90,792 posts)My first cousin's kid was both a first and second cousin to my Aunt's kids. First cousins through the Fathers and second cousins through my first cousin - blood Aunt. My Aunt was an aunt to my first cousin and a great-aunt to her kid, as well as aunt to the first cousin's kid by marriage - through her husband.
My Aunt and my first cousin were sister-in-laws. My first cousin was both aunt (by marriage) and first cousin (by blood) to my Aunt's children.The brothers they married were also brother-in-laws to each other, as well as Uncles to each other's kids. My aunt's husband was also a great-uncle to his brother's kid.
People try to make it convoluted when it really isn't. Same rules of relation apply, and if you can understand Aunt/Uncle - first cousins/subsequent cousins, then it's easy to follow.
Never had a cousin marry a cousin though.
The example in the "Note": are double first cousins...double cousins come in other forms as well.
MiniMe
(21,719 posts)Two brothers married 2 sisters. The 2 families were not related in any way. So I guess my Mom was a double cousin. Mom and her cousin had the exact set of grandparents. Now I hate figuring things like this out. I can her my cousin, she is the daughter of my Mother's cousin and I have the exact set of great grandparents on one side. I think she is my first cousin once removed?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Double cousins aren't produced by people marrying someone they are related to.
I even know one better: a pair of identical twin brothers married two (non-twin) sisters. Genetically their kids are "three quarters" siblings.
xmas74
(29,676 posts)My mom's sister married my dad's brother. I actually have two double cousins but one is no longer with us. The three of us (me, my brother and my cousin) have made comments about how if any of us needed a kidney or marrow we'd be the closest to a match.
Also, my dad's sister married one of my mom's cousins so my three cousins from that marriage would be a stronger bloodline than a regular cousin. Not as close as my double cousin but closer than most cousins, since she married my mother's first cousin.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,755 posts)My maternal grandmother's niece married my grandfather's brother.