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You need only read the transcript (HERE), of this - Completely Out of Her Mind - wacko nincompoop family court judge (the {dis}Honorable Lisa O. Corcyca), who - inexplicably and intolerably - just incarcerated 3 young kids (ages 9-14), for contempt of court.
When the children refused to have lunch with their father - who they witnessed beating up their mom!
Judge had previously Ordered the kids meet with their father; but they refused - BECAUSE of the abuse they saw with their own eyes, of their dad beating up their mother. When Her Haughtiness (pic immediately below, provided by Detroit Free Press - HERE) ordered the 14 year old arrested and the mother crying, she turned to the younger kids and said - "Will you now visit with your father" and the 10 year old said NO - he would go to jail also.
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Judge abused the kids intentionally, as is remarked by the embarrassment to the court - as noted;
Referring to the contempt orders and sending the trio of kids to summer behind institutional walls, Gorcyca told the older sibling: "I wanted to do this because of your horrific behavior a long time ago and your dad begged me not to. ... One day you are going to realize what's going on in this case and you're going to apologize to your dad."
The two boys and their sister each had a court-appointed lawyer at the hearing, according to records. But the attorneys said the children refused to cooperate and, in some cases, wouldn't talk to their lawyers. The attorneys for the children did not object to Gorcyca's order.
The 14 year old tried to apologize to the court; but refused to apologize for giving his dad the cold shoulder.
As noted in the Transcript of the hearing (HERE); the14 year old said he apologizes for - not knowing the rules - but that he would not apologize for not seeing his dad, who he saw beat up his mother.
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If, as the court alleges, it is the mother's fault, then why does she dare to incarcerate the children? How can any woman, let alone a mother, be so callous and plain stupid? Does she have ANY idea what this will do to the children?
Does she really care?
It sounds to moi, as if the judge is in love with the father (an international business man - highly educated). Absurd as the premise might be, this lord tyrannus psorais wrecx - acts as if it is children she wants to punish severely.
It all seems So - D A M - Wrong!
She could have ordered counseling, supervised visits and/or any other of 1000 things. This man must be a real head case, to push for this so much - that the kids wind up being abused in this manner. When I divorced my wife, I gave her everything and then some; and was ecstatic when she wanted to give me the kids and live her own life. (though she still manage to wreck theirs in many ways).
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There's no time to waste. So I'm starting a PETITION to Free the Michigan 3
Spread the word everywhere you can
and lets wipe the smile/smirk off her Highness's face!
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zazen
(2,978 posts)His work on how batterers think and behave has been so important to people escaping these relationships and in particular in court cases.
He writes often about how the batterer can be very calm and charming in circumstances with law enforcement while the trauma victims, aka his female partner, seems "emotional" because she's, well, coping with chronic trauma. Law enforcement, judges, and therapists and such are easily conned by this crap if they haven't been educated and will favor the man.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)She (being extremely good looking) married a 17 year old when I was 12. He would always gamble away the food and other essential monies. She gave me the money to hide to pay the fuel bill for the winter. He came home drunk and beat her up to find it.
When I tried to save her - he beat me up too - but I fought back (with a bathroom plunger) and hurt him also.
They sent me to foster home, children's home and juvy.
This case is absolutely - A B S U R D!
zazen
(2,978 posts)I'm so sorry. Thanks to the battered women's movement, things have gotten a lot better in terms of institutional response and tools a battered partner can use, but obviously not enough.
I'm afraid I didn't fight back. . . we all just hid, literally nursed our wounds, and I prayed for when he'd leave for good or I'd get the hell out. But his capacity to charm police and anyone he wanted to believe he wasn't a sadistic, physically, emotionally abusive alcoholic who squandered away the family fortune was amazing. We knew no one would believe us or, if they did, do anything about it. To report it would have been risking death, from a child's perspective. It was inconceivable. The last time he choked me--I was 16 and about to start college, because skipping two grades meant I could get the f-k out--I told him I'd call the police, and he said the police would never believe a slut like me. My Mom and older sister stood right by and did nothing. At least it wasn't them that time.
To this day, I'm angrier at bystanders who do nothing or crave crumbs of approval from the abusers than I am at the abusers themselves, but that's made me the organizational whistleblower on at least two occasions. It's an obnoxious habit. 
The judiciary and law enforcement are supposed to be trained about this today. This judge is an abomination and this crap triggers me all over the place. I can only imagine what it's doing to you.
Visit http://www.lundybancroft.com if you haven't read him. It's helped me and other battered women and children a lot.
Glad you knocked the hell out of that bastard, btw.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)While in children's home and such, all I witnessed was abuse, Abuse and More - A B U S E.
One guy - who I blew the whistle on (for beating kids black and blue all over their legs) - tried to shoot me while quail hunting.
It makes me SICK and upset greatly.
(I don't get angry anymore - just focused)
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)The kids are without their mom - and have now been incarcerated - for 2 weeks already.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)This wonderful person could behave in a totally different way when in home. His colleagues and friends might have no clue and sing him praises. And if mother is being emotional, she could be deemed unstable.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Sad state of affairs...that judicial immunity
Protects the inane and abusers too
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)There isn't a worse way to have handled this. She should be removed from the bench.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)
Her husband, David Gorcyca has a lot of corruption and scandals underneath his combative sleeve. For those in SE MI, I believe the last name "Wendrow" sounds familiar?
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2014/10/31/wendrow-gorcyca-lawsuit/18211173/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2014/11/06/jury-awards-wendrow-millions-oakland/18611789/
Defaming families and throwing out bizarre accustations seem to be a trait amongst this corrupt husband-wife duo. I believe Lisa Gorcyca, like her husband, is a power-tripping judge who uses the law as some form of twisted abuse towards people, or in this case, innocent children. I can personally say, seeing relatives go to Children's Village; that is not the place for kids WHO DID NOT COMMIT CRIMES to be! It's basically a mini jail where the juvies and violent mentally ill kids go to.
And may I add, both Lisa and David are staunch GOP types here in SE MI. It's quite clear that antipathy and egotism run in the bloods of repukes!
These kids need to be released from Children's Village, the father needs to get his ass back to the States to fix this mess, and Judge Gorcyca needs to be removed from the bench immediately and apologize for her stupidity and viciousness!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... children into a juvenile detention facility .... regardless of how badly one or both or their parents have acted ....?
Adding this description of Oakland County's Childrens Village detention Center:
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)They were at Mandy's Place
Miller said Mandy's Place has single rooms and dorm rooms in a home-like setting. The facility does not have cells and is not a jail, he said.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2015/07/09/children-detained-rejecting-dad/29935383/
I think that's a lot more to this than the headline clickbait "kids and to jail for refusing lunch with abusive dad".
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)i have (in the course of professional duties) ... while the children are not placed in typified cells with bars, it is in every sense a detention center. This is horrible and the kids will likely suffer from it.
I can't opine about the actions of one or both of the parents (they could both be horrible and possibly both have caused damage to these kids .... I don't know) .... the judges actions (sentencing children to a detention center/ incarcerating them) has very little potential of helping these kids .... only damaging them further.
The adults, in this situation, are the only one's that (if warranted) punitive measures should be taken .... at very worst these kids have been pawns in a very terrible adult game .... alternately, they may be very justified in their stance.
At no point can any rational human being think detaining these kids in a juvenile detention facility be helpful.
My fervent hope is that someone intervenes and represents the best interest of the children (i am not sure camp will undo the damage done)
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)It's not a home, it's an institution. The workers may be very caring professionals but this is still punishment for these children. Even the judge said it was.
While I don't know enough to say whether one or both parents are bad actors I will say that from the transcript of the June 24 hearing it certainly seems that the judge was frustrated that she couldn't bend these children to her will and that was abusive. The GAL failed these children too.
I'm glad that they are out to a more normal environment for kids, a summer camp.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)should not be separated from the parent they wish to be with.
Has this father demanded they be released to their mother? or is he so vindictive that he feels they should stay in strange place with no family, to spite his former wife. Cause certainly, there is no ruling against this mother for a damned thing, and she has not lost custody. So, would he prefer his children stay in a place for orphans.
This story is one of the most appalling things I think I have ever read.
YOU DO NOT PUNISH CHILDREN and remove them from a loving home, because they don't want to spend time with their father.
Fuck this judge. Those children want to be with their mother and she wants them. Set them free immediately!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)That the favored patent shouldn't then be rewarded. And if parental alienation is a factor, then that's not a "loving home", but one of abuse.
The father and the children's various advocates requested they be sent to a summer camp and now they have been.
Again, I think they'd a lot more to this story than what had been reported.
boston bean
(36,222 posts)gains something from it.
That is fucking sick.
And this father ought to be out there screaming from the roof tops that his children don't belong in a place like that under any circumstance. He ought to be demanding that the judge release them to their mother immediately.
That is what a father who loves their children does.
This judge belongs behind bars herself. This has got to be criminal to punish children in this way.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)I have no more than a lay persons understanding of the law ... but it doesn't even make sense (not to mention is entirely abusive to the children, I can't see how this is not unlawful detention by the state)
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/10/michigan-judge-siblings-juvenile-detention
The decision to hold three children in contempt of court who were not parties to the divorce proceedings puzzled legal experts. If Gorcyca took issue with Maya Tsimhoni’s handling of the situation, then an order should be directed at the mother, they said, not the children.
Catherine Ross, a law professor at George Washington University who specializes in family law, compared the situation to journalists who are jailed for contempt of court by refusing to reveal the name of a source, where they remain until they back down.
“That’s basically what the judge did here,” Ross told the Guardian. “You can get out of prison when your father tells us that you’re ready to have a good relationship with him.” Ross said to her knowledge the decision was “unprecedented” in reported cases with established opinions of the court.
Marsha Mansfield, a professor at the University of Wisconsin Law School and director of its Economic Justice Center, said Judge Gorcyca’s decision to hold the children in contempt for disregarding her order to have a “healthy relationship” with their father was peculiar.“Contempt of court is intentionally violating a court order,” she told the Guardian, “and a court order would be pertaining directly to the parents, not the children. The parents might be required to facilitate placement with the children, but the children aren’t required to do that.”
boston bean
(36,222 posts)An abuse of power that is assuredly harming these children both mentally and physically.
The stress she has visited upon this children should get her 20 years in the slammer. It is plain and simple child abuse.
A 15 year old who states they saw their father strike their mother is to be believed and not treated like he is a lying sack of shit that should be sent to jail. And be told he is like Charles Manson. WTF??? Something is severely wrong with this judge.
I heard this father took off on an international business trip right after the children were placed in custody for contempt. Sounds like a real winner there, if you don't mind me saying so.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)He is there now. I believe that he works and lives in Israel at least part of the time.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And it really doesn't matter that much if it's a "nice" jail. They're still prisoners.
zazen
(2,978 posts)from Lundybancroft.com (awesome supporter--and links to protective parents' movement as well)
Our society is currently giving mothers a powerful and crazy-making mixed message. First, it says to mothers, “If your children’s father is violent or abusive to you or to your children, you should leave him in order to keep your children from being exposed to his behavior.” But then, if the mother does leave, the society many times appears to do an abrupt about-face, and say, “Now that you are spilt up from your abusive partner, you must expose your children to him. Only now you must send them alone with him, without you even being around anymore to keep an eye on whether they are okay.”
. . . The sad result of this double-bind is that many mothers who take entirely appropriate steps to protect their children from exposure to abuse are being insulted by court personnel, harshly and unethically criticized and ridiculed in custody evaluations and psychological assessments, and required to send their children into unsupervised contact or even custody with their abusive fathers. And sometimes these rulings are coming in the face of overwhelming evidence that the children have both witnessed abuse and suffered it directly, evidence that would convince any reasonable and unbiased person that the children were in urgent need of protection. Family courts across the US and Canada appear to be guilty day in and day out of reckless endangerment of children.
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I wish the “justice system” dispensed justice, but where it comes to child custody litigation involving abusive fathers, outcomes are mixed at best. With adequate knowledge and planning, and especially if you are among the fortunate mothers who are able to obtain competent legal representation from a lawyer who understands what abusers are like as parents, you may be able to keep your children on the path to healing. If your case goes poorly, there are still ways that you can help your children feel your love and support surrounding them, and give them the strength to survive their father’s destructiveness.
But regardless of the outcome you experience personally, you might want to keep the following points in mind: The custody system in the US and Canada is broken. You are not the only person who has experienced unhealthy and biased responses, and you are not the crazy, paranoid, vindictive person they may be painting you as. 2. Other women need your help to change that system, so that protective mothers start receiving proper respects for their rights and their children’s rights.
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etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... (heart breakingly) interesting. i am not a litigious person but I hope there are legal and civil remedies for these children ... and protection for the children of Oakland county who's parent divorce before this moronic judge
http://observer.com/2015/07/lawyer-for-tsimhonis-children-speaks-out-against-ludicrous-jailing-of-kids/
