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Quixote1818

(28,947 posts)
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:34 PM Jul 2015

Zealot clerk ordered to give marriage licenses or resign refuses to do either


A County Clerk in Kentucky is forcing a showdown with that state’s Governor. And the Constitution. Casey Davis seems to think that his religious beliefs trump the law of the land. He has refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Governor Steve Beshear ordered the public servant to do his job or resign. Davis refuses to do either. He met with the Governor one-on-one on Thursday and remained defiant afterward. After his meeting with the Governor, Davis spoke to the media:

“This morning, I advised Mr. Davis that I respect his right to his own personal beliefs regarding same-sex marriages. However, when he was elected, he took a constitutional oath to uphold the United States Constitution. According to the United States Supreme Court, the Constitution now requires that governmental officials in Kentucky and elsewhere must recognize same-sex marriages as valid and allow them to take place. One of Mr. Davis’ duties as county court clerk is to issue marriage licenses, and the Supreme Court now says that the United States Constitution requires those marriage licenses to be issued regardless of gender. Mr. Davis’ own county attorney has advised him that his oath requires him to do so.”





http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/07/09/zealot-clerk-ordered-by-governor-to-issue-marriage-licenses-or-resign-refuses-to-do-either-video/
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Zealot clerk ordered to give marriage licenses or resign refuses to do either (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2015 OP
Then he needs to be fired. Period. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #1
Not that simple since apparently this is an elected position Warpy Jul 2015 #30
Oh, yeah, there's that little wrinkle! I agree about removing him. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #31
He needs to be sued into extreme poverty... SidDithers Jul 2015 #2
Absolutely! He needs to know that avebury Jul 2015 #27
I agree with the civil rights violation davidpdx Jul 2015 #34
This asshole can no more refuse to issue a marriage license, hifiguy Jul 2015 #3
Submit the paperwork, stop his check. Solly Mack Jul 2015 #4
He's not an employee- he's an elected official... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #8
Well, bummer. Thanks! Solly Mack Jul 2015 #9
And, yes, that sucks. Perhaps there's some law or procedure where... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #12
That would be good. Solly Mack Jul 2015 #16
Sued! BillZBubb Jul 2015 #13
The state can audit the everliving shit out of his office. Lars39 Jul 2015 #15
The law does not give special protection to anyone to ignore the law, elected or hired or ordained. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #21
In Kentucky there is a law against not doing their job csziggy Jul 2015 #24
Excellent. And he should receive an additional charge for each avebury Jul 2015 #28
Guess "the good Lord" can help Mr. Davis in looking for a new job. Botany Jul 2015 #5
Probably eats cheeseburgers, too. With a milkshake. Also. n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Jul 2015 #26
did he wear that purple shirt on purpose?? GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #6
Unfortunately, he's elected, so he can't be fired at will... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #7
The KY Governor has told the clerks that they swore an oath to uphold the laws .... Botany Jul 2015 #11
Maybe they can use that to get rid of him, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #14
He already has a Facebook support page shenmue Jul 2015 #10
All right, give him his red stapler and send him to his new desk with no phone in the basement. notadmblnd Jul 2015 #17
If he can't perform his job, he should look for work that he can handle. pacalo Jul 2015 #18
Fire his bigoted ass, pronto. nt City Lights Jul 2015 #19
He doesn't have the courage of his convictions. elias49 Jul 2015 #20
He should be arrested, and he will be imo if he keeps this up... WheelWalker Jul 2015 #22
Stop his paycheck LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #23
fire him and sue him Takket Jul 2015 #25
Beshear shouldn't have wasted one minute meeting with him brentspeak Jul 2015 #29
I agree with Beshear's decision to try quiet persuasion. Jim Lane Jul 2015 #33
These stupid weasel asswipe county jerks piss me off. nt valerief Jul 2015 #32
The clown needs to be held accountable for his failure to follow the davidpdx Jul 2015 #35
from the book he professes to believe "Render unto Caesar..." hobbit709 Jul 2015 #36

Warpy

(111,282 posts)
30. Not that simple since apparently this is an elected position
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jul 2015

but he needs to be removed from office ASAP.

Then he can open a storefront church like all the other sanctimonious bigots who won't do their jobs due to morbid religious scruples.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
2. He needs to be sued into extreme poverty...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015

He's committing a civil rights violation. I hope it gets very, very expensive.

Sid

avebury

(10,952 posts)
27. Absolutely! He needs to know that
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jul 2015

he will be on his own if he is sued and that the County/State (i.e. tax payers) will not cover any legal costs. Unfortunately I bet some conservatives religious nuts will probably help him with any legal costs.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
34. I agree with the civil rights violation
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:43 AM
Jul 2015

and yes he should be sued. Sued into extreme poverty is a bit much. Clearly the guy needs to be removed for not doing his job. Those who are having their rights violated are going to have to sue him and if they win hopefully he will have to paid for their legal expenses instead of the county since it was his own choice to not issues the licenses.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
3. This asshole can no more refuse to issue a marriage license,
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

which is a purely non-discretionary ministerial function, than he could refuse to record a deed.

Fire the silly fucker and let him take it to court.

Solly Mack

(90,775 posts)
4. Submit the paperwork, stop his check.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

Have someone clear out his desk and box it up.

If he refuses to leave the building, arrest him for trespassing.

Kentucky is an "at will" state. He is refusing to perform his duties and the Governor of the state has issued an order to state employees.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. He's not an employee- he's an elected official...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:45 PM
Jul 2015

so can't be fired.

Recalled, impeached... who knows what else, but not just fired.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. And, yes, that sucks. Perhaps there's some law or procedure where...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

they can lift his authority and give it to a deputy while they figure out what to do with him.

Solly Mack

(90,775 posts)
16. That would be good.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

Thank you, again. I hope there is a solution, a nice tidy legal one. I don't want him benefitting from his hate.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
15. The state can audit the everliving shit out of his office.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

Pick that place apart looking for irregularities. I wonder if there are county executives in KY?
This clerk needs to understand he will be sued and that he will be responsible for his own legal bills.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
24. In Kentucky there is a law against not doing their job
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 10:28 PM
Jul 2015
522.020 Official misconduct in the first degree.
(1) A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, he knowingly:
(a) Commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions; or
(b) Refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office; or
(c) Violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office.

(2) Official misconduct in the first degree is a Class A misdemeanor.
Effective: January 1, 1975
History: Created 1974 Ky. Acts ch. 406, sec. 187, effective January 1, 1975.

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19888


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avebury

(10,952 posts)
28. Excellent. And he should receive an additional charge for each
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jul 2015

and every couple that he refused a marriage license.

Botany

(70,522 posts)
5. Guess "the good Lord" can help Mr. Davis in looking for a new job.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

I hope he wasn't wearing a leather belt w/cotton or wool pants because the bible says that is a no no
or does he like a nice shrimp cocktail?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. did he wear that purple shirt on purpose??
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:41 PM
Jul 2015

Is he just messing with us; some kind of post-orwellian, fashion-based doublespeak ?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Unfortunately, he's elected, so he can't be fired at will...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jul 2015

I don't know what Kentucky law calls for if an elected official simply refuses to do his job, but it's not simple to get rid of him.

Botany

(70,522 posts)
11. The KY Governor has told the clerks that they swore an oath to uphold the laws ....
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:49 PM
Jul 2015

.... and if they don't follow the law then they are in breach of their contract.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Maybe they can use that to get rid of him, but...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jul 2015

it's difficult by design to get rid of elected officials.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
10. He already has a Facebook support page
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jul 2015
Facebook thing here

Usual bullshit. Bet they're raising money for him to get a lawyer as we speak.

Also, he'll have a spot on Fox or Pat Robertson's show before you can say spit.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
17. All right, give him his red stapler and send him to his new desk with no phone in the basement.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe when he doesn't get a paycheck- he'll figure it out.

WheelWalker

(8,955 posts)
22. He should be arrested, and he will be imo if he keeps this up...
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 09:06 PM
Jul 2015

Willful nonfeasance by a public official to the injury of another is probably official misconduct and criminally chargeable.... well, it should be anyway. Dude is on notice.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
33. I agree with Beshear's decision to try quiet persuasion.
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:17 AM
Jul 2015

If an in-person meeting with the Governor had served to impress upon the clerk the gravity of the situation, then maybe he would've relented. I know "fire him, sue him, arrest him" is more psychologically satisfying, but Beshear's approach was a reasonable shot at getting the desired outcome -- if your desired outcome is allowing people to marry the ones they love after being denied the right for so long.

I wonder who issues marriage licenses when the elected clerk is on vacation or out sick. Some workaround like that would get the marriages going while the state pursues its options against Davis.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. The clown needs to be held accountable for his failure to follow the
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 06:54 AM
Jul 2015

Pragmatically speaking that's not going to happen over night. It will probably take lawsuits and charges being filed against him for not doing his job.

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