It's time to stop equating marriage equality with polygamy

[DemocratSinceBirth]

You are born heterosexual or homosexual. You are not born a polygamist. Equating marriage equality and polygamy strikes me as a right wing trope to delegitimize the former.


Carry on...

[Wellstone ruled]

1. You nailed it.

Whole different breed of rat. Someone thinks this some how fits,get real,Smith tried this and it cost him his life.

[jonno99]

2. "You are not born a polygamist". What if you are born into a pologamist family?

If you can be a democrat since birth - what's the diff?

[underpants]

57. False

You are not born as either

[WinkyDink]

106. I trust you are not serious, because if you are,..................................

[jonno99]

122. I was simply having fun word-playing with the irony that exists at the intersection

of the OP's subject & screen-name.

I mean, if some can be a "Democrat from birth", then being a "polygamist from birth" is not a huge leap.

[Le Taz Hot]

3. Horse shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. It's a way to disrespect and delegitimize gay folks by heterosexuals opposed to marriage equality.

It's the bastard cousin to Rick Santorum's argument that if Mary can marry Beth she should be able to marry Lassie.

[Chan790]

23. Hmm.

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Has it ever occurred to you that some of us legitimately support the concept of poly marriage and view anti-poly-marriage sentiments as totally analogous to anti-SSM sentiments? That for some of us...this was always going to be the next fight?

Also, formalized non-monogamy (the kind which in theory would lead to poly marriages if it were legal) is more common proportionally among LGBTQ individuals than heterosexuals. Your argument above is a standard slander which supporters of poly marriage face and has no more validity than the arguments made that SSM would delegitimize marriage between heterosexuals.

[immoderate]

58. No matter how it's used, there nothing special about monogamy.

--imm

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. Equality is equality. For everyone.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. So can I marry my sister?/nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

7. I would not stop you.

[WinkyDink]

108. That's just being ridiculous.

[TreasonousBastard]

31. There are potential medical problems with that...

besides being icky.

But, ethically, no fundamental problem, so why not your mother?

[uppityperson]

128. What medical problems are potential there? Thanks.

[TreasonousBastard]

130. Recessive genes have a better chance of causing trouble...

amongst relatives. They tend to stick to family lines, so if you breed within your family, you can have problems.

We see this in animals when they tend to interbreed (my cat, a stray from parts unknown, has five extra toes and can't retract her claws). In humans, we've seen a lot of strange things in rural areas where there just isn't a large enough gene pool. "Deliverance' was not terribly far removed from reality.

[uppityperson]

131. And what does that have to do with marriage?

FWIW, I have been married nearly 20 years and have not reproduced. The only time I have reproduced was before that, with another man, unmarried.

You don't need to be married to reproduce, you don't need to reproduce to be married.

I understand the genetics issues, has been found that it takes a couple generations to have recessives pop up, in general.

[TreasonousBastard]

135. Huh? Marriage and reproduction have a certain connection...

although there are exceptions to pretty much everything.

[uppityperson]

136. I know sex and reproduction have a connection, but there is nothing in marriage statutes

that says people marry to reproduce. As I said, I got pregnant without being married, and my 20 yr marriage has been childless. Should my 20 yr marriage be disallowed because we did not reproduce?

[Duckhunter935]

35. If you want to

I have no objection

[bravenak]

38. No Jaime, you cannot marry Cersei. You are not Targaryans!

[morningfog]

102. As long as you are both of age and consent,I don't see why not.

[WinkyDink]

109. You don't see "why not?" to INCEST?

[morningfog]

113. I don't have any interest or say in what consenting adults do.

The number who actually would want to enter into such a relationship is nearly zero.

[Quackers]

8. Some are born bi-sexual.

If three people are attracted to each other, what's the issue?

[NOVA_Dem]

27. Acknowledging that SSM might lead to legitimizing polygamy was seen as harmful to the movement.

That's the only reason I can think of for all the feigned indignation.

[MicaelS]

84. Bingo, that is THE answer. n/t

[tymorial]

103. Bisexual here.

and the issue here is not what it appears. The outrage against polygamy has nothing to do with marriage and everything to do with women. The people complaining about polygamy are only thinking about a man marrying multiple wives because that is the usual. I wonder just how many of these people would argue if a woman wanted multiple husbands and the men agreed and saw no problem with it. Let's say it was three lesbians, would these people argue? Three homosexual men... They argue because they believe polygamy is a man with more than one wife. It doesn't matter if the women state they are happy, these people will believe that they are in actuality very unhappy and are lying... that the man is predatory. White. Knighting.

[Mojorabbit]

124. Yes! nt

[treestar]

9. Yes and the right wing has no real interest in it

They simply want to use it to fear monger.

[MillennialDem]

10. You may not be born a polygamist, but it's still a freedom issue.

[HassleCat]

11. Slippery slope

There is a post on here, which has been re-posted several times, that makes this slippery slope argument. "If we allow same sex marriage, we have to allow polygamy. If we allow polygamy, we have to allow people to marry animals. If we allow people to marry animals, we must allow people to marry beings from other planets. If we allow people to marry beings from other planets, that would have to include zombies from other planets. If we allow people to marry zombies from other planets, we'll have to approve their homes loans. Don't let the earth be overtaken by the zombie mortgage apocalypse! Stop gay marriage!" I think this comes straight from Fox News, and how it gets posted to DU, and then re-posted multiple times, is a bit suspicious, but DUers are doing a great job of ripping it to shreds.

[Katashi_itto]

12. Will they let us know when consenting Zombie beings from another planet become available?

[Exilednight]

13. What proof do you have that people aren't born poly?

There is no proof that all people are born monogamous.

[Chan790]

26. There's actually substantial proof that people are born poly.

Mind you, the anti-poly don't care...it's socially acceptable to be bigoted against the non-monogamous for wanting to expand marriage to fully-extend to their relationships.

[WillowTree]

14. Why is the love between two men.......

.......more worthy of being sanctioned by the stat than the love between two men and one woman? Or three women and four men? Who's to say which combinations of men and women are more worthy? You?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. If my mom and dad were alive could I marry both of them?

eom

[WillowTree]

16. Why not, if they both consented? Why would that union be any less sacred than any other?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. What if my entire extended family wanted to marry one another and marry another extended family.

And how would that affect the government benefits we are all entitled to?

[WillowTree]

21. Same answer. The contractual stuff would have to be worked out.

[riderinthestorm]

87. So tell me how the contractual stuff works out nt

[Chan790]

28. No, incest laws would still apply.

But nothing should stop you from marrying your 3rd cousin and her husband if they both want to be married to you though.

Also, please stop conflating non-monogamy with incest. It's deeply offensive on a level equal to when homophobes conflate homosexuality with bestiality.

[DRoseDARs]

44. Too late, he already played the Bestiality Card too. nt

[yeoman6987]

17. In time, some of these OPs will be embarrassing

Because it will be accepted by just about everyone except those who don't.

[DeadLetterOffice]

70. One can only hope.

And embarrassing is one thing, but some of them are downright hateful...

[Enrique]

19. yes it's our turn to discriminate

[99Forever]

20. Neither are you born a monogamist.

I don't pass judgment on ANY consenting adult human beings choices in how to conduct THEIR personal relationships.


Apparently, you do.


Carry on.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Can I marry Mr. Ed?

[99Forever]

30. Is Mr Ed a consenting, adult human being?

Well?

You get that these are Teabagger type arguments you are using, right?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. No, the Teabagger argument is equating same sex marriage to polygamy.

We already established that...


Can I marry my mom and dad if they were alive?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I regret you have to disrespect, dehumanize, and degrade me from the ...

I regret you have to disrespect, dehumanize, and degrade me from the anonymity the internet affords.

[99Forever]

41. Ahhh geeze...

... the victim card again?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Where is the love?

Does one have to be a victim to take umbrage at being dehumanized, disrespected, and degraded?

[99Forever]

45. I took on your IDEAS, TACTICS, and preposterous FALSE EQUIVICATIONS, not you personally.

I can't help that you don't like it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. You called me a Teabagger in an attempt to degrade , disrespect and dehumanize me.

How do you know that I am not on the verge of suicide and your unkind words just might be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back?

[99Forever]

50. That simply isn't true.

I'm done with you.

Good day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. If there's a thread on DU in the coming weeks ...

If there's a thread on DU in the coming weeks, "What ever happened to Democrat Since Birth", some intrepid DU member will do a search and see these were some of my last posts.

[99Forever]

59. Call your therapist.

I'm not here to be one, nor will I for one second entertain your nonsense guilt trip attempt. I'm not responsible for your life choices.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. That's not very empathetic...

Even if Osama bin Laden was on a ledge and threatening to jump the liberal in me would try to talk him down.

[Quackers]

90. Lmao

Go ahead Mr. Bin Laden, just take that first step and everything will be fine!

What? You said to talk him down. Well, he's down!


Damn, that sounds like a SNL skit. Lol

[Quackers]

91. How do you know if a bi-sexual person is not on the verge of suicide

And your comments saying that they cant be in a relationship with the two people he/she loves the most because society says its wrong, sends them over the edge. Are you going to look back on this op with guilt?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. You are as free to love as many people as you want. I try to love everybody. Just can't marry em all

One at a time, you know!!!

[awoke_in_2003]

93. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. If taking umbrage at the fact my gay friends are being compared to polygamists makes me a...

If taking umbrage at the fact my gay friends are being compared to polygamists makes me a Tea Bagger I wear that epithet with the same pride my old man wore the Purple Heart he was awarded for taking shrapnel in his right eye at the Battle Of Safi in World War ll and being blinded in that eye.

[tymorial]

104. Animals cannot give consent.

Human Adults can.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

105. I agree...I am trying to establish boundaries./nt

[Fred Sanders]

22. Polygamy advocates on DU, DemocratSinceBirth? Who would have thunk? Some folks are WithoutLogicSinceBirth.

I guess the separation of biological law from religious edicts and man-made law is too much to grasp for some.

[cherokeeprogressive]

85. Maybe government sponsored relationships are the problem.

[NOVA_Dem]

25. Why are people against polygamy using the same rhetorical tactics of the right?

The first thing they say is that it will lead to people marrying dogs and incest.

[The2ndWheel]

34. It's morality

It's what each person thinks is right and wrong. It's subjective. There isn't that much difference in how people argue though.

[guillaumeb]

29. If the phrase "marriage equality" truly means what it literally says,

ANY marriage must be treated the same as any other. I am reading some of the same arguments against polygamy/polyamory here that I have read and heard made by right-wingers in the corporate media.

Arguments about the supposed legal/financial/logistical problems of dealing with a multiple marriage are no different from those dealing with the multiply married.

As an example, Newt Gingrich has been married 3 times. If he had had children from the marriages, a scary thought indeed, upon his death there could be inheritance issues. That is why we have a legal system.

If a poster at DU truly believes in marriage equality, then all forms of marriage must be protected and allowed.

[ErikJ]

32. Polygamous societies have higher inbreeding, less genetic diversity and lower IQ over time.

This is what many biologists theorize why the mideast has become so backward over the centuries.

And 14th Amendment gives equality to all to get married to one person at a time. It doesnt say the right to multiple women or men at the same time.

[Depaysement]

40. Actually it doesn't mention marriage at all nt

[ErikJ]

49. Equality for all under our existing laws is what the 14th is about.

[Depaysement]

65. Yes, all

So why aren't more than two people permitted to marry? The 14th Amendment says nothing about "two persons."

And why is the State regulating marriage anyway?

[mythology]

107. The state regulates marriage to ensure minor things like

legal right of inheritance, tax implications, the legal right to make medical decisions in case of emergency, the ability to share Social Security benefits, and so on.

[Depaysement]

33. They are not the same

"You are born heterosexual or homosexual. You are not born a polygamist."

But are you really "born to be married?"

[TreasonousBastard]

42. You are also born male or female...

(except for that very few who are hermaphroditic) so by what stretch of logic do you call gay marriage "equality"?

Fairness, justice, all sorts of other things, but "equality" is a stretch. One of the primary historical and sociological reasons for marriage and the family is making the babies. Since a gay couple cannot make a baby without outside help, it is not exactly equal.

That does not mean gay marriage should be banned again or that it should have second-class status to hetero marriages-- just that "equal" is not the best word for it.

Now, you can easily argue that the slippery slope theory ending up with us marrying our cats is a crock, and you would be right. But, using the term "nontraditional" for gay marriage does bring up the thoughts of other nontraditional arrangements. And you would be hard-pressed to find rational arguments against a number of "poly-" arrangements

Specific arrangements, sure-- the lives of some of those publicized polygamist wives are a social justice horror, but not not all of them are.

[Cryptoad]

46. Who has the right ,,,,,,

to make a moral judgement that one is right and one is wrong,,,,,,Aint none of my business either way

[Igel]

86. Everybody is constantly making moral judgments.

It doesn't make sense to draw a line around little area and say, "No moral judgments ... here."

Classism, sexism, racism ... Moral judgments abound.

[Cryptoad]

96. I never said moral judgements didn't exist

Nobody has that right to make moral judgements concerning anybody but themselves.

[jtuck004]

47. We aren't born hating either, but we manage to teach it fairly quickly. n/t

[BKH70041]

51. Who's equating?

Not me.

But, if consenting adults agree that's what they want, then let them. What's it any of my business? It's called freedom.

For all those who are always taking the most progressive angle, permitting it is the position to take. Start living up to what you label yourselves.

[Quixote1818]

62. Exactly, the OP is using a Fasle Dichotomy as an argument

I don't see polygamy any more like Gay Marriage than "Traditional" marriage. NONE of them are similar other than as you said, it's a freedom issue. Why not say: "It's time to stop equating Traditional Marriage with polygamy"? This would have had the same meaning for me as what the OP originally wrote.

[MADem]

52. People that do this are repeating wingnut memes. Just consider the source, and respond

accordingly.

By their words we shall know them.

[smirkymonkey]

94. +1000

Yes, it.s funny how this kind of issue always seem to bring all the right-wing trolls out in force.

[4now]

54. It is shocking when you see liberals behave like Conservatives

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I didn't know being a liberal and believing a son shouldn't be allowed to marry his mom...

I didn't know being a liberal and believing a son shouldn't be allowed to marry his mom are mutually exclusive.

[4now]

68. lol. You prove my point

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. If you believe...

If you believe that endorsing the notion that a man should be allowed to marry his mom is a litmus test for liberalism there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[4now]

72. No need for fear and hatred - Its just love

[DemocratSinceBirth]

74. So if my mom and dad were alive and I wanted to marry both of them and enjoy all the ...

So if my mom and dad were alive and I wanted to marry both of them and enjoy all the benefits of marriage it's of no moment...Liberal is not synonymous with libertine.

[4now]

76. You seem to be obsessed with marrying your parents

If it makes you happy I really don't care who you or your parents marry.
It is small little arguments like this that make some people sound just like a conservative Republicans.
There is much more to polyamory then the little world that you have created for yourself.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. It seems you want to draw a line, albeit in a different place.

eom

[4now]

79. I draw the line at bigotry

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. Then why do you seem to want to hold out adults who want to marry their parents to opprobrium ...

Then why do you seem to want to hold out adults who want to marry their parents to opprobrium and censure?

[4now]

82. I don't care if you want to marry your parents

So where would the opprobrium and censure come from?
Look to yourself.

[mopinko]

55. humans love in many flavors.

can you be born poly? well, since human kind has been marrying in this way as far back as we can see, right up to today, i would have to take a crack at born this way.
in much of the world it is common still.

sexuality is pretty much hard wired, tho it can be influenced by variety of factors, it is pretty much hard wired, imho.
and one need only look around the world at the flavors that love comes in.
that would be what normal is.

[4now]

78. So true

and we don't get to choose who someone else loves.

[Quixote1818]

56. Would you want to break up a happy polygamist marriage?

First of all, I am not equating it with Gay Marriage any more than with "Traditional" Marriages. Your argument is a false dichotomy.

Some polygamist marriages work really well for people and I would not want to deny them what makes them happy just as I would not want to deny Gays from getting married and finding happiness. It's none of my business and believe me polygamy is not my kind of thing.

On the other hand, I do think polygamy can be destructive in many instances because it can be used to control women, especially when it comes to Religion. So I think it's an issue that should be handled carefully.

I also don't see a huge push by polygamists demanding the opportunity to marry so this is really a none issue. It's a tiny fragment of the population that is into this type of thing and those into it don't seem to be promoting it or demanding it so why are we eve talking about it?

[LittleBlue]

60. One flaw in your logic: human beings aren't born monogamous

Your argument doesn't stand up under logical scrutiny. People aren't born polygamous, that is true. They also aren't born monogamous, which is why the comparison to gay people is flawed.

We are required to live in monogamous marriages in the west because of social constructs dictated by the medieval Catholic church and ancient Rome. There is no logical basis to deny polygamous couples a marriage license.

[4now]

83. Yes it is a very flawed comparison

I am glad that you pointed it out.

[smiley]

61. In the course of human history...

monogamy is a fairly new concept. But that doesn't make it the only way or the best way. And why should it matter how you were born? If someone decides they love more than one person and they want to enter into marriage saying so, then why not? Other than the fact that the law currently states that only 2 people at a time can enter into this contract, I see nothing wrong with it, as long as all adults are consenting. Sure societal problems may arise from this union, but they also may not. Who am I too judge though?

[JoePhilly]

63. Ask those attacking you if they are in plural

relationships.

The LGBT community made their case. They took the risk of coming out.
They held parades.

And most importantly, they educated people about their lives.

Those who want plural marriage need to do the same thing.

And certainly they can reference interracial marriage, and now gay marriage, but that is insufficient in and of itself.

If they REALLY want it, they need to do the work. They can't just demand that the LGBT folks do it for them.

[DeadLetterOffice]

71. I havent heard anyone in the poly community...

... "demanding that the LGBT folks do it for them." Not a peep even resembling such a thing.

What I *have* heard, on our lovely Democratic-values discussion board, is a bunch of nasty remarks equating polyamorous relationships to orgies, harems, incest, and bestiality. It's been enlightening, to say the least.

[LostOne4Ever]

67. BIG k&r~! Nt

[smirkymonkey]

73. Thank YOU!

I think we can figure out who all the right wing trolls are by their opinion on this issue.

[smirkymonkey]

75. Yes please! And thank you for this post!

[herding cats]

81. I agree.

This ruling is about established law being applied fairly.

You want to rewrite the entire legal system, have at it. Just don't pretend this is some sort of victory for your cause, it's not. You folks want a fight, have at it, but yours is a whole separate legal affair. It's costly, and it takes decades to bring to fruition. Miles and decades of hard work are ahead of you. Way more than for the same sex community, since you're going to require the entire legal system to be rewritten. I hope you have barrels of money, and even more patience.

You're still at ground zero and need to frame your own argument. You're on your own, good luck. There's zero legal coattails for you here. Stop being foolish. It makes you look, well, like fools.

[riderinthestorm]

88. + another 1. Agree completely nt

[gollygee]

101. +1

The arguments do sound foolish.

[Chemisse]

132. Exactly

This is a whole different proposition, not a quick and easy coattail-ride from the gay marriage legalization.

[jwirr]

89. I agree.

[awoke_in_2003]

92. Are people born bisexual?

Yes, they are

[gollygee]

100. Bisexual people are attracted to men and women

But they don't have to be in a relationship with both any more than a straight man has to be in a relationship with two women.

[Lil Missy]

95. Agreed. It's a stupid comparison.

[KG]

97. love is love. or so I was told.

[PowerToThePeople]

110. Ugh

Op and responses by op in thread, especially the "can I marry mr. Ed" shows extreme freeper thinking and bigotry. Pizza worthy imo. Admins, please read this thread.

[WinkyDink]

111. SEXUALITY is inherent, true. MARRIAGE, however, is up to the state to allow or not (See: SCOTUS). It

is why we need GOVERNMENT LICENSES to marry, and not a doctor's prescription nor a religious dispensation.

As a society, we have deemed polygamy illegal, as we have incest. Those arguing in favor of (or being indifferent to) these two conditions can obviously hold whatever opinions they want, but as Frasier said, "Cats in the oven don't make them biscuits!"**

**When he was channeling a co-worker.

[rock]

112. It is as stupid as saying a fetus is a person,

A corporation is a person, money is speech, etc. It's just words that are randomly thrown together with some idiotic relation thrown in for good measure.

[hughee99]

114. Do you think the DUers here suggesting that

Polygamy may be okay are actually trying to deligitamize SSM? I don't. I just think some people don't draw their line at the same place you draw yours.

Personally, I 100% support SSM and think some of the same arguments are applicable to polygamy.

Since you're drawing comparisons to RW arguments, your's strikes me very much as the "I got mine, fuck everyone else" argument.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. When poly people start a movement, risk their lives and livelihood...

When poly people start a movement, risk their lives and livelihood, to advance their right to marry as many people as they wish I will take them seriously... Until that moment I will treat their arguments with the same indifference if not contempt that I treated Rick Santorum's argument where he basically argued if we allow Joe to marry John we will eventually wind up in a society that allows Joe to marry Rin Tin Tin.

[Daninmo]

118. Well

Thank god or whomever that some rights are recognized and people didn't have to start a movement to get them, because it was the right thing to do.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

119. Allowing sons to marries moms and dads and allowing folks to marry as many people as they want....

Allowing sons and daughters to marry moms and dads and allowing folks to marry as many people as they want creates a whole set of cultural and legal problems that the state wishes to avoid. Such a right is not going to be granted in the absence of long, long, long.... agitation and deliberation.

[PowerToThePeople]

126. Total right wing verbiage.

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DemocratSinceBirth
119. Allowing sons to marries moms and dads and allowing folks to marry as many people as they want....
Allowing sons and daughters to marry moms and dads and allowing folks to marry as many people as they want creates a whole set of cultural and legal problems that the state wishes to avoid. Such a right is not going to be granted in the absence of long, long, long.... agitation and deliberation.

[Daninmo]

116. Really?

So everyone is only allowed to love one person at a time? Maybe we should just limit marriage to one person period, even if you get divorced, you can only get married once in your life?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

117. You can love as many people as you want. Just don't expect society to confer on you ...

You can love as many people as you want. Just don't expect society to confer on you a license to marry them all .

[Hell Hath No Fury]

120. Who the hell knew there were so many --

polygamist wannabes on DU. In retrospect, did most of those folks support gay marriage solely with the intention of using it to push for their OWN poly agendas?? I fought for decades for my LGBT friends rights to marry -- never once during that time have I thought about supporting the rights of polygamists to civilly marry. And, frankly, I never will. They will have to hoe that road without me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. Would you say the timing of the push for polygamy and polyandry is peculiar?

nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

123. Very.

So either there are a whole bunch of polygamists coming out, or there are a whole bunch of people who are not really all that thrilled with the ruling on gay marriage.

[gollygee]

133. Yep

It would be interesting to compare names to people who thought Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin deserved to be shot, because I see some serious overlap, and I don't think it's a coincidence.

[Betty Karlson]

125. K & R.

I completely agree with you.

Even when the occasional gay or lesbian author has argued for a redefinition of marriage, it is homophobic to imply that the redefinition of marriage was the "gay agenda" all along, which is precisely what all this polygamous advocating is implying.

Marriage has not been redefined to bestow dignity of same-gender couples. It has been extended, unchanged, but stronger than ever for all the new couples bolstering it by their numbers and their commitments.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

127. I have no animus toward poly people...

I do think poly marriages raises all kinds of custody problems as well as social and monetary equity problems. If the poly people can figure all these things out and get legal recognition, god bless them, but don't you dare use marriage equality for people of the same gender as your foundation.

[Betty Karlson]

129. No contest there. Your words and reasoning could have come straight from my heart.

(Although I would add that whatever the poly people figure out should not in any way infer the position of women, which is what happens all too often in societies that give matrimonial recognition to poly-amorous relationships.)

[Chemisse]

134. I don't care how many people are bonded in a relationship.

I will even argue their right to be socially accepted as threesomes, or more. Consenting adults have every right to scout out and engage in whatever form of a relationship makes them happy.

But I don't believe the nation is obligated to craft a whole different legal system to accommodate them.