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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:23 PM Jun 2015

Texas AG: County clerks can refuse gay couples

County clerks can refuse to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples based on religious objections to gay marriage, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said Sunday.

Paxton noted that clerks who refuse to issue licenses can expect to be sued, but added that “numerous lawyers stand ready to assist clerks defending their religious beliefs,” in many cases without charge.

The formal opinion did not specify what constitutes a sincerely held religious belief, noting that “the strength of any such claim depends on the particular facts of each case.”

Paxton said Friday’s “flawed” opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court, which overturned bans against same-sex marriage in Texas and other states, placed religious people in conflict between following their faith and the U.S. Constitution.

“Friday, the United States Supreme Court again ignored the text and spirit of the Constitution to manufacture a right that simply does not exist. In so doing, the court weakened itself and weakened the rule of law, but did nothing to weaken our resolve to protect religious liberty and return to democratic self-government in the face of judicial activists attempting to tell us how to live,” Paxton said.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/texas-ag-county-clerks-can-refuse-gay-couples/nmnRZ/?ecmp=statesman_social_twitter_2014_sfp

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Texas AG: County clerks can refuse gay couples (Original Post) CatWoman Jun 2015 OP
Ok. Jail them then. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #1
NO, you cant deny them licenses and yes, I want them JAILED randys1 Jun 2015 #2
If your religion prevents you from doing part of your job, quit. NightWatcher Jun 2015 #3
I have no problem saying it. marym625 Jun 2015 #10
I agree. Much like pharmacists who are allowed to not dispense birth control or morning after pill. Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #15
I am so totally fucken fed up with religion, it's an evilness that stalks the land, a brain rotting RKP5637 Jun 2015 #23
A great quote hifiguy Jun 2015 #31
Quite true. Do evilness in the name of god and one gets a free pass. And do some really evil RKP5637 Jun 2015 #33
Yep. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #39
Why do they think their religious beliefs matter in performing gov't duties ? Bonx Jun 2015 #4
What an asshat. hifiguy Jun 2015 #5
No they can't nt irisblue Jun 2015 #6
OT but I absolutely love your avatar... Spazito Jun 2015 #26
Will those that issue the licenses be harassed Ilsa Jun 2015 #7
Anyone know if they pulled this shit after Loving? marym625 Jun 2015 #8
North Carolina in 1977 Eugene Jun 2015 #18
Damn! marym625 Jun 2015 #34
Here comes RFRA. Agschmid Jun 2015 #9
Fucking asshole Paxton! Texasgal Jun 2015 #11
The Texas Bar Association should immediately call Paxson's license into question Ham Sandwich Jun 2015 #12
Marriage is a function of government not of religion. Give them their license you work for the jwirr Jun 2015 #13
Some clerk needs to refuse to issue licenses to any non-virgins, divorcees, different religions. Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #14
Seriously. They're so ridiculously stupid. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #29
+1 safeinOhio Jun 2015 #36
Some clerk needs to use this video as a guide to who can be married csziggy Jun 2015 #43
Can an AG pugetres Jun 2015 #16
This is going to go to the courts Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #17
If you can't or won't do your job ... you need to be fired etherealtruth Jun 2015 #19
Would someone please tell Paxton tymorial Jun 2015 #20
ONLY 2A COUNTS IN TEXAS Skittles Jun 2015 #38
Religious people can get a job in the private sector if they have objections notadmblnd Jun 2015 #21
Exactly! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #24
No. They can't. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #22
Then quit collecting their taxes gratuitous Jun 2015 #25
when the attorneys general says lawyers stand ready to assist clerks... luvspeas Jun 2015 #27
So if I work at the DMV and my religion says women aren't allowed to drive.... Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #28
No as clerks they must carry out the ministerial duties of the state treestar Jun 2015 #30
I don't get how, as the state Attorney General, he can do this without losing his job... Spazito Jun 2015 #32
Texass strikes again. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #35
County clerks that cannot perform all their duties TheDebbieDee Jun 2015 #37
Texas. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #40
SCALIA LAW! JaneyVee Jun 2015 #41
Fuck bigots. Solly Mack Jun 2015 #42

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. If your religion prevents you from doing part of your job, quit.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jun 2015

I don't care what your imaginary friend or imaginary god tell you to do. Suck it up, do your job, or go home and (expletive deleted because most people are not that flexible or double jointed).

I'm growing more sick and tired of religious people using it as an excuse to act like a (expletive deleted).

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
15. I agree. Much like pharmacists who are allowed to not dispense birth control or morning after pill.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:43 PM
Jun 2015

If you can't do your job without religion getting in the way, you have no business being in the job.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
23. I am so totally fucken fed up with religion, it's an evilness that stalks the land, a brain rotting
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

disease for many.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
31. A great quote
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jun 2015

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

- Nobel prize-winning physicist Steven Weinberg

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
33. Quite true. Do evilness in the name of god and one gets a free pass. And do some really evil
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jun 2015

sh**, ask god for forgiveness, and god told them they were forgiven. And that gets a lifetime pass from the moronic brainwashed flocks.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. Yep.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:22 PM
Jun 2015

Anyone can claim anything as a "religious belief". Is McDonalds going to let ethical vegans refuse to serve burgers? Doubtful.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
7. Will those that issue the licenses be harassed
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:30 PM
Jun 2015

By coworkers or supervisors? What happens if one clerk breaks unity with the bigoted group and is threatened?

 

Ham Sandwich

(23 posts)
12. The Texas Bar Association should immediately call Paxson's license into question
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

and disbar him on the spot.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
13. Marriage is a function of government not of religion. Give them their license you work for the
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jun 2015

government. If you do not want to do your job then I am sure someone else will.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
14. Some clerk needs to refuse to issue licenses to any non-virgins, divorcees, different religions.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jun 2015

And then kick back and demand they get a paycheck for doing nothing claiming that their religion doesn't recognize marriage between people who are not virgins and of the same faith at time of marriage.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
43. Some clerk needs to use this video as a guide to who can be married
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jun 2015


That would confuse the hell out of the religious bigots and pretty much destroy any semblance of understanding "traditional marriage" for them.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
17. This is going to go to the courts
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jun 2015

Which, of course, is what Republicans want.

The Supreme Court is going to be a major campaign issue for them.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
20. Would someone please tell Paxton
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jun 2015

That the 1st Amendment prohibits the government from imposing religious belief on people.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
21. Religious people can get a job in the private sector if they have objections
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jun 2015

However, I think that as long as they are paid agents of the government (state or national) they need to comply with the law of the land.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
22. No. They can't.
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:54 PM
Jun 2015

.... Fuck your religious privilege, do your fucking job, or get ready to get fucking sued.

Ignorant, ignorant assholes...

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
25. Then quit collecting their taxes
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jun 2015

It's not like there's a competing county courthouse across the street or down the block. If public servants aren't going to serve all of the public, then stop collecting taxes from those segments of the public you don't intend to serve.

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
27. when the attorneys general says lawyers stand ready to assist clerks...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

it implies that the state will take on their case. This sounds like an illegal use of taxpayer money to me. throw the bums out and impeach the asshats.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
28. So if I work at the DMV and my religion says women aren't allowed to drive....
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jun 2015

Can I only issue driver licenses to men and get away with it?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
30. No as clerks they must carry out the ministerial duties of the state
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:03 PM
Jun 2015

Ridiculous. The State's duties have nothing to do with religious beliefs. If it is against your religion, don't take the job.

Spazito

(50,447 posts)
32. I don't get how, as the state Attorney General, he can do this without losing his job...
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:09 PM
Jun 2015

this is advocating breaking the law seeing as there was no 'religious exemption' written into the USSC decision I believe.

 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
37. County clerks that cannot perform all their duties
Sun Jun 28, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jun 2015

because some of those duties are in conflict with their religious views - these people need to find new jobs!

The Constitution guarantees your right to practice your favored religion but it doesn't guarantee your right to a particular job!

Same thing goes for pharmacists - the Constitution doesn't guarantee you the right to have that job.

Oh, and Green family (Owners of HobbyLobby) the Constitution doesn't guarantee you the right to own a business either......

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