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brooklynite

(94,729 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:02 AM Jun 2015

** SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS MARRIAGE RIGHTS FOR ALL ** 5-4 vote!

Fourteenth Amendment requires a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when a marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out of state.

Dissents by all four "no" votes

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** SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS MARRIAGE RIGHTS FOR ALL ** 5-4 vote! (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2015 OP
Wooooot! Glassunion Jun 2015 #1
Freddie is Happy!!!!!! For Freddie Jun 2015 #69
Woo Hoo! bigwillq Jun 2015 #2
YES YES YES YES A THOUSAND MILLION TIMES FUCKING YES NuclearDem Jun 2015 #3
^What he said Shamash Jun 2015 #92
Hooray!~ csziggy Jun 2015 #4
Wooohooo! Agschmid Jun 2015 #5
VICTORY!! Now can we please, get SCourt to remove prison Slavery from the 13th Amendment? Sunlei Jun 2015 #6
Is that up for review? malthaussen Jun 2015 #47
It should be changed,but yes the USA corps love the free slave labor.they rather pay workers 20cents Sunlei Jun 2015 #76
Found you. Three strikes and increased sentencing voted out 8-1 underpants Jun 2015 #67
yup, the more in prison, the more "for Profit" wins Sunlei Jun 2015 #82
Who was the... 3catwoman3 Jun 2015 #137
I can't find it underpants Jun 2015 #141
Alito underpants Jun 2015 #147
They'll probably do that. The TPP is designed for systemic slave labor. nt valerief Jun 2015 #107
You Are Aware, of course.... harrose Jun 2015 #118
YAY!!!!!!!! G_j Jun 2015 #7
Yes, yes, yes! And the tears of the right will be delicious. Shrike47 Jun 2015 #8
"Oh the tears of unfathomable sorrow.....so delicious" AlbertCat Jun 2015 #91
To hell with those tears tymorial Jun 2015 #130
I can't stop crying! Talk about NSFW! pink-o Jun 2015 #149
Ugh. what a truly sad example of human averice, greed and hate. tymorial Jun 2015 #152
Rethugs head exploding in 5...4...3...2...1 SummerSnow Jun 2015 #9
My wife texted me the same thing. ACA, Flair Houing, marriage, and the flags coming down underpants Jun 2015 #43
I've already seen them calling to impeach Roberts Horse with no Name Jun 2015 #55
I'm down with that. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #151
FANTASTIC!!!!! Yes, it's been a very encouraging week. calimary Jun 2015 #59
It would even be better if mimi85 Jun 2015 #119
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude, Fritz Walter Jun 2015 #85
so very true. niyad Jun 2015 #109
K&R Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #10
Oh yah, have to turn in to faux to see heads exploding...... a kennedy Jun 2015 #11
A historic day! AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #12
Next step: Red States threaten to not marry anyone..... brooklynite Jun 2015 #13
they will get their asses sued. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #22
Didn't Alabama already do this? Jeff Murdoch Jun 2015 #65
They will try some sneaky tricks project_bluebook Jun 2015 #71
Wow!! Four justices will go down in history as the bigots they are riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #14
are these SCJs the same ones who allowed segregation? or is that before their time? Justices stay... Sunlei Jun 2015 #96
Or until they retire. jmowreader Jun 2015 #114
Yeah, I thought the same thing. It's disturbing it was so close, but, Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #134
Sweet! cyberswede Jun 2015 #15
Awesome!! DCBob Jun 2015 #16
Hip-Hip Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Coventina Jun 2015 #17
OPINION--- msanthrope Jun 2015 #18
Three wonderful decisions in two days... Spazito Jun 2015 #19
holy crappola that was too close!!! Sheepshank Jun 2015 #20
Anyone have the link to opinion? I googled but no luck. Exilednight Jun 2015 #21
Post 18 nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #27
Thank you. Exilednight Jun 2015 #34
Congratulations! Skidmore Jun 2015 #23
From the live Blog... Important! longship Jun 2015 #24
It is indeed very broad, as was the Obamacare decision. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #39
Equal protection and Due Process this case was a no brainer underpants Jun 2015 #46
Well, reaffirming they are "no-brainers"! Roland99 Jun 2015 #52
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #25
K&R!!!!! Politicub Jun 2015 #26
which one voted with our 4? Roberts or Kennedy? LynneSin Jun 2015 #28
Kennedy. Roberts joined the bigot crew nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #32
Good for Kennedy. I figured Roberts would support equality but turns out he is an idiot afterall LynneSin Jun 2015 #35
I figured Roberts would support equality but turns out he is an idiot afterall AlbertCat Jun 2015 #93
The RCC voting bloc on the SC. Ikonoklast Jun 2015 #124
Maggie Gallagher is having a sad, no question. closeupready Jun 2015 #29
Well Maggie, if you don't want gay marriage, then DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!! calimary Jun 2015 #72
Nobody's holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing them to marry someone of the same sex. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #97
About damned time! TM99 Jun 2015 #30
Further from majority decision, it gets better: Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #31
Can't say I like point 2... malthaussen Jun 2015 #40
Dissents notwithstanding, we now have marriage equality throughout MineralMan Jun 2015 #33
YES!!!! underpants Jun 2015 #36
yay!! k & R nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #37
Well guess I can't use the old "I don't want to get married until it's legal for everyone" excuse alarimer Jun 2015 #38
Hahaha DVRacer Jun 2015 #144
To be honest, I'm not that surprised rocktivity Jun 2015 #41
Yay! n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #42
I am thinking so many things right now I can barely write... luvspeas Jun 2015 #44
^^^ this^^^ times a zillion.! n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #45
What Really Makes Me Happy? Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #48
YES!!!!!! Gloria Jun 2015 #49
This broad application of the 14th Am equal protection clause has many applications. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #120
Yes, and I'm wondering when ...or if it has been used Gloria Jun 2015 #156
The Equal Protection Clause is extremely powerful and up to now has been underutilized. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #158
Well, I hope it can be used for women Gloria Jun 2015 #159
Sadly, women are always last in line. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #160
YES!!!!!!! Skinner Jun 2015 #50
Yes!! Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #51
Awesome... SidDithers Jun 2015 #53
that is a lovely image. niyad Jun 2015 #113
Happy Day!!!! n/t BeeBee Jun 2015 #54
I'm turning gay today! Roy Rolling Jun 2015 #56
Yessssss!!! raouldukelives Jun 2015 #57
WooHoo LW1977 Jun 2015 #58
It is so exciting! Phentex Jun 2015 #60
A WON-derful Day and Week !! +1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2015 #61
The Berlin Wall is falling all over again. randome Jun 2015 #62
Yes it does feel a bit like that underpants Jun 2015 #64
Scalia calls the ruling a "Judicial Putsch" bucolic_frolic Jun 2015 #63
Let the pointless, whiny civil disobedience of the LOSERS begin! randome Jun 2015 #66
Great news for gay rights but project_bluebook Jun 2015 #68
And now, let's inflict on them the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #70
Joy! Joy! Joy! Joy! Joy! nolabear Jun 2015 #73
Thank God! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #74
What a great day Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #75
K&R stage left Jun 2015 #77
ELBOW FROM SKY, LANDING ON BRYAN FISCHER, & EVERY OTHER HOMOPHOBE! Crowman1979 Jun 2015 #78
Truly, a decision to celebrate! nt UtahLib Jun 2015 #79
This is a wonderful day for our country! Lint Head Jun 2015 #80
What a fantastic week amuse bouche Jun 2015 #81
Poor persecuted right-wing christians. . . B Calm Jun 2015 #83
I will never feel sorry for them amuse bouche Jun 2015 #99
So I didn't even have to get out of my pajamas or leave the house Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #84
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!! n/t orleans Jun 2015 #86
Let's hear those wedding bells ring out brer cat Jun 2015 #87
Well, I was wrong. I honestly thought hifiguy Jun 2015 #88
So that was what I heard earlier..... AlbertCat Jun 2015 #89
Wow. SpankMe Jun 2015 #90
Finally Scalia and Thomas can get married! Kablooie Jun 2015 #94
Finally Scalia and Thomas can get married! AlbertCat Jun 2015 #98
No, No, No... the decision said nothing about being able to marry your lap dog. Raster Jun 2015 #100
LOL SunSeeker Jun 2015 #123
VICTORY!!!! Initech Jun 2015 #95
This is a great day for equality Gothmog Jun 2015 #101
Three couples up in my family...going to be great receptions!! kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #102
I am so happy! dmr Jun 2015 #103
about damned time!! niyad Jun 2015 #104
I almost want to listen to Rush today sellitman Jun 2015 #105
Kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2015 #106
From Scalia's disent: SpankMe Jun 2015 #108
great scott, that was almost like reading a serving of one of the alaska grifter's word niyad Jun 2015 #115
Yes, to use Scalia's words, it's "pure applesauce." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #126
that is the second time I have seen that expression (the pokery one) in the last few days. niyad Jun 2015 #128
Scalia used it in his dissent to yesterday's 6-3 opinion upholding the ACA. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #131
I wonder if he even knows what the expression means. niyad Jun 2015 #132
I've never heard the expression before Scalia used it. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #136
here: niyad Jun 2015 #170
And I had Mississippi in the betting pool as the last state to legalize it. alarimer Jun 2015 #110
I am glad for the SCOTUS ruling heaven05 Jun 2015 #111
I am sorry, heaven. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #164
so has that tex-ass pastor set himself on fire yet? has that couple in oz filed niyad Jun 2015 #112
To paraphrase President Obama's... 3catwoman3 Jun 2015 #139
Another vote for Freedom! Duval Jun 2015 #116
. fishwax Jun 2015 #117
Wondrous. Took a while but the result's the thing. nt whatthehey Jun 2015 #121
Hooray for LGBT rights from gopiscrap Jun 2015 #122
What a great day for America!!!!!!!!!!!!! Takket Jun 2015 #125
Tears streaming from my eyes. tymorial Jun 2015 #127
The reich isn't having the best week. 47of74 Jun 2015 #129
Positively fantastic!!!! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #133
about freakin time restorefreedom Jun 2015 #135
Just checking... the world hasn't ended yet... Fearless Jun 2015 #138
Okay I lied tymorial Jun 2015 #140
"It is so ordered." #LoveWins TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #142
Yes! bluesbassman Jun 2015 #143
Kickin' it!!!! Hekate Jun 2015 #145
How long until all male/female marriages crumble into dust? I need to know to make plans. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #146
The War on Christianity continues..... Enthusiast Jun 2015 #148
And the dissents tell us what we already knew . . . DrBulldog Jun 2015 #150
Am I the only one who had tears in my eyes passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #153
So Happy for all my Country and most of all for my Gay Brothers and Sisters! Cha Jun 2015 #154
This is progress. craigmatic Jun 2015 #155
Yeah! BeanMusical Jun 2015 #157
Now for the turtle hurdle! lostnfound Jun 2015 #161
So happy for all my LGBTQ friends!!! cui bono Jun 2015 #162
It's going to be a good weekend in NYC Simeon Salus Jun 2015 #163
Kick and Hell yes Recommend. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #165
Congrats to the LGBT community! Well earned. Calista241 Jun 2015 #166
Yeah! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #167
I hope there's a count of how many conservative marriages are ruined IronLionZion Jun 2015 #168
I went out and celebrated in Manhattan tonight. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #169

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
76. It should be changed,but yes the USA corps love the free slave labor.they rather pay workers 20cents
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jun 2015

underpants

(182,880 posts)
67. Found you. Three strikes and increased sentencing voted out 8-1
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jun 2015

I am not sure if that is what you were referencing but when I saw the thread about it I had to get back to your post.


DU may have to go to Defcon 4 today

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
82. yup, the more in prison, the more "for Profit" wins
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:24 AM
Jun 2015

I meant our 13th Amendment, where slavery is still 'legal' for prisoners. Harmed our society for over 100 years now and increasing every year.

America has never really set aside slavery.

harrose

(380 posts)
118. You Are Aware, of course....
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jun 2015

... that SCOTUS cannot overrule something in the Constitution. What you're looking for would require a Constitutional Amendment.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
130. To hell with those tears
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:05 PM
Jun 2015

The tears that we in the LGBTQ community and our allies are shedding are so very much sweeter.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
149. I can't stop crying! Talk about NSFW!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jun 2015

About 25 years ago, I had 2 friends who were a long-time couple, Rob and Todd. Todd got ill with AIDS and when he knew he was dying they went to a lawyer and drew up what they thought was an airtight will so that Rob would inherit everything that they were sharing anyway. Well, lo and behold, Todd's Fundie idiot family, who had disowned him years previous, found a loophole in the will, and got it nullified. They came and took everything that had any sentimental value as well as the new car and electronics. They didn't care about Todd, they only wanted to be sure the love of his life didn't get anything--cuz he was an immoral sinner, after all. I remember the memorial we all had where we pulled together and spoke about how things were just material, and we had the best of Todd because we loved him.

But it's so poignantly sweet to know this could never happen again! I raise a glass to equality and my beautiful friends who in their struggles and their deaths are the stones who paved the way.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
152. Ugh. what a truly sad example of human averice, greed and hate.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jun 2015

History has shown us that the most fervent believers are often horrible people on the inside that hide their bile and hatred with religious camouflage. Hell, it doesn't even have to be religion. How often have we seen people who profess tolerance and love while at the same time exhibit none of those traits in real life. Many blame religion but that is just as I said camouflage. Some people are just made broken. I'm sorry for your loss.

You're right though, it is definitely poignant that today Todd's wishes would be fulfilled and Rob would not have to suffer at the hands of greedy nasty bigots.

underpants

(182,880 posts)
43. My wife texted me the same thing. ACA, Flair Houing, marriage, and the flags coming down
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jun 2015

What a week!!!

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
119. It would even be better if
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jun 2015

ebay and amazon had really removed all the confederate stuff like they said they would. no sign of it yet. figures.

Fritz Walter

(4,292 posts)
85. Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude,
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jun 2015

Denn sie kommt von Herzen.

Translation: "Schadenfreude is the most beautiful kind of joy, because it comes from the heart."

Don't get me wrong! I'm happy for all the right reasons, but every once in a while it's fun to see karma bite hateful people in the ass.

a kennedy

(29,707 posts)
11. Oh yah, have to turn in to faux to see heads exploding......
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jun 2015

could only watch for about 10 minutes yesterday on the health exchanges, but today, I'll try to watch a little longer.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
22. they will get their asses sued.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jun 2015

and if they don't relent not onlyh will they end up marrying gay persons, but those persons will be rich too on the states dime.

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
71. They will try some sneaky tricks
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:02 AM
Jun 2015

Jim Crow type laws applied to gay couples, just like they use to keep people from voting.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
96. are these SCJs the same ones who allowed segregation? or is that before their time? Justices stay...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jun 2015

until they die of old age.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
114. Or until they retire.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jun 2015

This has been such a lousy week to be a Republican. Gay marriage bans are dead nationwide. The ACA has been upheld. And the Southern Swastika is falling all over our great land.

Spazito

(50,469 posts)
19. Three wonderful decisions in two days...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jun 2015

Equal marriage, ACA and the Fair Housing Act!

Watching the celebration on television brings happy tears!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. holy crappola that was too close!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jun 2015

I'm happy and disappointed at the same time.

Clearly, there are those on the bench that would like to ensure the entire nation lives by their moral imperatives and religious doctrines.

longship

(40,416 posts)
24. From the live Blog... Important!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jun 2015
The opinion seems to go out of its way not to state a standard of scrutiny. Instead, it says, "It is now clear that the challenged laws burden the liberty of same-sex couples, and it must be further acknowledged that they abridge central precepts of equality . . . Especially against a long history of disapproval of their relationships, this denial to same-sex couples of the right to marry works a grave and continuing harm. The imposition of this disability on gays and lesbians serves to disrespect and subordinate them. And the Equal Protection Clause, like the Due Process Clause, prohibits this unjustified infringement of the fundamental right to marry." That's page 22.


This means a very broad interpretation.

The assenters did not want there to be any question.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. It is indeed very broad, as was the Obamacare decision.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

From the majority opinion, addressing the role of history in the constitutional analysis: "The nature of injustice is that we may not always see it in our own times. The generations that wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment did not presume to know the extent of freedom in all of its dimensions, and so they entrusted to future generations a character protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning."
by Kevin Russell 9:14 AM


A direct slap in the face to the "constructionism" approach of Scalia to the Constitution, and bodes well for future decisions.....I think Kennedy has had enough of being trolled.

underpants

(182,880 posts)
46. Equal protection and Due Process this case was a no brainer
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jun 2015

Just like Loving v. Virginia


We have 4 people officially on the public record as no brainers.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
28. which one voted with our 4? Roberts or Kennedy?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jun 2015

I mean we know how those idiots Scalia, Thomas and Alito voted

This is great news today.

And today wasn't about giving special rights to same sex couples.

It was about creating equality for all people.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
35. Good for Kennedy. I figured Roberts would support equality but turns out he is an idiot afterall
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jun 2015

At least he let people keep their health insurance.

But today reminds me why I will fight hard for whomever the democratic nominee is. I do not want any more bigots on the Supreme Court. I can only imagine who those Clowns in the GOP Clown car would nominate if any of them were to get into the White House.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
93. I figured Roberts would support equality but turns out he is an idiot afterall
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:54 AM
Jun 2015

I think it's the religion. It just make logic and sense fly out the window. And since the ONLY objections are religion based....

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
124. The RCC voting bloc on the SC.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jun 2015

Yeah, they would *never* let their religious beliefs come before what the Constitution clearly states.

calimary

(81,478 posts)
72. Well Maggie, if you don't want gay marriage, then DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jun 2015

Nobody's holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing them to marry someone of the same sex.

Nobody's holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing them to discard their opposite-sex marriage and replace it with a same-sex one.

Although, I sometimes wonder if - adding a gun into the picture might make them change their minds?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
97. Nobody's holding a gun to anyone else's head and forcing them to marry someone of the same sex.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jun 2015

Yeah...


just being forced to marry bicycles and hamsters.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
31. Further from majority decision, it gets better:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jun 2015

The majority bases its conclusion that same-sex marriage is a fundamental right on "four principles and traditions": (1) right to person choice in marriage is "inherent in the concept of individual autonomy"; (2) "two-person union unlike any other in its importance to the committed individuals"; (3) marriage safeguards children and families; (4) marriage is a keystone to our social order. -

http://live.scotusblog.com/Event/Live_blog_of_opinions__June_26_2015#sthash.4jE59c0V.dpuf

And Scalia is going Full Fox Troll.

Again.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
40. Can't say I like point 2...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:25 AM
Jun 2015

... or see how it can be a point of law, but that's a different fight. 3 and 4 are iffy as well, as legal considerations. (They're all qualitative judgements, not concrete)

With the decision, I have no argument at all. Hope Justice Scalia and his homies have a nice day.

-- Mal

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
38. Well guess I can't use the old "I don't want to get married until it's legal for everyone" excuse
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jun 2015

Guess I'm gonna need a new one.

But the taste of bigots tears is so very sweet.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
144. Hahaha
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:47 PM
Jun 2015

My better half has a coworker that keeps saying that to his partner and her every time she wants to help plan their wedding. I wonder what his next excuse will be too. Thanks for making me chuckle I woke up in a lot of pain this morning and needed one.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
41. To be honest, I'm not that surprised
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jun 2015

If race can't be considered, how can sexual orientation?


rocktivity

luvspeas

(1,883 posts)
44. I am thinking so many things right now I can barely write...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jun 2015

So so happy for my friends and everyone in our country right now. The stories I have heard over the years...partners that can't say goodbye to dying loved ones...children tortured by removal from loving homes...couples who have gone to great lengths to assure the financial security of a partner in case of death who are denied access...and on and on...this is so much more than love. It's about justice.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
48. What Really Makes Me Happy?
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

Maybe, just maybe, the country is moving left? FINALLY!!!

Now if we can just get rid of Thomas and Scalia!

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
49. YES!!!!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jun 2015

ACA upheld, marriage rights...

Now...we have to clean up VOTING RIGHTS and get back to WOMEN!!!

SunSeeker

(51,703 posts)
120. This broad application of the 14th Am equal protection clause has many applications.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jun 2015

It can be used to push back against humiliating abortion restrictions, as well as to invalidate voting restrictions that suppress the votes of the poor and minorities.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
156. Yes, and I'm wondering when ...or if it has been used
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jun 2015

so far. I'm no lawyer, I keep hearing " undue burden", but not sure how it all ties tgether since Roe involved "privacy."

SunSeeker

(51,703 posts)
158. The Equal Protection Clause is extremely powerful and up to now has been underutilized.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jun 2015

Roe's "undue burden" on 4th Am privacy is such a subjective standard. "Equal" is pretty clear.

Abortion is a simple medical procedure. It should be treated EQUALLY with other similar medical procedures. It should be left up to the woman and her doctor. If you don't have to watch a shaming video and have a medically unnecessary probe shoved up you to get a vasectomy, you should not have to do it for an abortion either. If vasectomies can be done in doctor's suites, so can abortions. If clinics performing vasectomies aren't required to have 12' wide hallways and surgeons with hospital admitting privileges, neither do abortion clinics.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
159. Well, I hope it can be used for women
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jun 2015

And frustrated if it hasn't been used effectively so far...

Thanks for the details...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
62. The Berlin Wall is falling all over again.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jun 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

underpants

(182,880 posts)
64. Yes it does feel a bit like that
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

Flags coming down
Obamacare lives
Marriage equality
Three strikes and sentencing are out
Fair Housing Act ruling

WOW!

bucolic_frolic

(43,289 posts)
63. Scalia calls the ruling a "Judicial Putsch"
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:55 AM
Jun 2015

No, Antonin, you're thinking of Bush v. Gore, remember?

You stopped the vote counting and decided who would rule us, which
is what your sorry derriere is whining about today.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
66. Let the pointless, whiny civil disobedience of the LOSERS begin!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

project_bluebook

(411 posts)
68. Great news for gay rights but
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jun 2015

I still don't like the fact that 9 kings and queens hold so much power over this country.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
70. And now, let's inflict on them the greatest insult an enemy can suffer.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jun 2015

Ignore them. (You know, after we're done laughing at them.) Their opinions don't matter anymore. It's over, they lost. Utterly.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
75. What a great day
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jun 2015

No slimey, sneaky news dumps THIS Friday. I truly have tears in my eyes as I celebrate this ruling. No thanks to Roberts---oh, screw him---we didn;t need him after all.

amuse bouche

(3,657 posts)
99. I will never feel sorry for them
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jun 2015

I am so sick of them trying to drag this country backwards

If they would keep their traps shut and worship behind closed doors, I could tolerate them

Until then......I'll just

Ms. Toad

(34,091 posts)
84. So I didn't even have to get out of my pajamas or leave the house
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jun 2015

to have the Supreme Court marry us.

Should have thought of that before we worked 8 years with our faith community to marry us. Way simpler

. . . now I'll have to see if I'm mentioned in the opinion - or at least the amicus brief I'm cited in.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
88. Well, I was wrong. I honestly thought
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:42 AM
Jun 2015

Roberts would be in the majority.

But this is a GREAT DAY nonetheless!!

A great day for the country and especially for all our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters!



SpankMe

(2,966 posts)
90. Wow.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jun 2015

This has been an unbelievably good week for our side of these issues - and with a conservative court.

We're winning the war. Let's not relent one bit.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
100. No, No, No... the decision said nothing about being able to marry your lap dog.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:07 PM
Jun 2015

Scalia and Thomas will have to wait a bit longer.

SpankMe

(2,966 posts)
108. From Scalia's disent:
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jun 2015
"Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality (whatever that means) were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie."

This kind of snark ('Ask the nearest hippie.' - really!) is beneath the dignity of the Supreme Court.

The man is headed into senility, and I don't mean that as a metaphor or mean-spirited characterization. I really sense that his mental capacity is waning due to age-related deterioration of the brain. Not Alzheimer's, since his memory still seems good. But I truly believe we're seeing the first steps toward dementia.

If it becomes more obvious within the next few years, I wonder what's involved in removing him from the court? Can his fellow justices relieve him of duty based on diminished capacity? Or, is an impeachment and removal by Congress a hard requirement?

niyad

(113,569 posts)
115. great scott, that was almost like reading a serving of one of the alaska grifter's word
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jun 2015

salads.

niyad

(113,569 posts)
128. that is the second time I have seen that expression (the pokery one) in the last few days.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

have not heard it used in years, and suddenly it seems to be in vogue again. any idea why?

SunSeeker

(51,703 posts)
131. Scalia used it in his dissent to yesterday's 6-3 opinion upholding the ACA.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jun 2015

That is how he described the majority opinion's reasoning re the ACA.

niyad

(113,569 posts)
170. here:
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jun 2015

Gray vs. grey? What's the difference?
jiggery-pokery
[jig-uh-ree-poh-kuh-ree]
IPA Syllables
Word Origin
noun, Chiefly British
1.
trickery, hocus-pocus; fraud; humbug.
2.
sly, underhanded action.
3.
manipulation:
After a little jiggery-pokery, the engine started.
Origin of jiggery-pokery Expand
1890-18951890-95; alteration of joukery-pawkery. See jouk, pawky, -ery
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British Dictionary definitions for jiggery-pokery Expand
jiggery-pokery
/ˈdʒɪɡərɪˈpəʊkərɪ/
noun
1.
(informal, mainly Brit) dishonest or deceitful behaviour or business; trickery
Word Origin
C19: from Scottish dialect joukery-pawkery
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jiggery-pokery
noun

Deception; trickery; skullduggery: or what some term jiggery-pokery/ could have prevented most of the jiggery-pokery

[1893+; probably fr Scottish joukery-paukery fr jouk, ''trick'']

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alarimer

(16,245 posts)
110. And I had Mississippi in the betting pool as the last state to legalize it.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

I would have won that bet too.

Thanks, Obama.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
111. I am glad for the SCOTUS ruling
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:29 PM
Jun 2015

but that same SCOTUS gutted and trampled into the dirt my Civil Rights protections, so my enthusiasm is muted.

3catwoman3

(24,046 posts)
139. To paraphrase President Obama's...
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jun 2015

...masterful response to Willard in the debate - "Please proceed, preacher man."

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
116. Another vote for Freedom!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jun 2015

I didn't think this wold happen in my lifetime. After the disastrous "Citizens' United", we have seen the Supreme Court give thousands the right to health care, although this one can be improved, and now the right to marry for all LGBT.
I've seen thousands of happy faces on TV. Obama's remarks were, well, remarkable.


gopiscrap

(23,765 posts)
122. Hooray for LGBT rights from
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

Frankfurt, Germany we just found out while having dinner at the Hauptbahnhof

Takket

(21,625 posts)
125. What a great day for America!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jun 2015

Same-sex marriage is now in the constitution and it can't ever be taken back out!!!!

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
127. Tears streaming from my eyes.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

I don't care about the dissents. They don't matter to me. I will not focus on the negative of those opinions. Today is a brilliant day for my fellow LGBTQs. This smile will not go away for a while. Where are the tissues.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
135. about freakin time
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

the next battleground will be the resteraunteurs and the cake bakers etc who will claim religious freedom so as not to service a gay wedding. but then it will move to housing etc. eventually someone will come forward and say their religion forbids them to interact with someone of a different race, or women, or whatever. within a year, two tops, the supremes will have to affirm civil rights and say that if you have a public business you have to serve all the public. or else get into a different line of work.

today, party! tomorrow, watch the flank.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
140. Okay I lied
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jun 2015

I said that I didn't care about the dissents. I am reading a live blog on yahoo which is posting the various comments from politicians along with excerpts from the justices' opinions. I haven't had the chance to read them all but this is from that bloated windbag Scalia...


"Not a single evangelical Christian (a group that comprises about one quarter of Americans), or even a Protestant ofa ny denomination. The strikingly unrepresentative character of the body voting on today's social upheaval would be irrelevant if they were functioning as judges, answering the legal question whether the American people had ever ratified a constitutional provision that was understood to proscribe the traditional definition of marriage. But of course the Justices in today's majority are not voting on that basis; they say they are not . And to allow the policy question of same sex marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principal even more fundamental than no taxation without representation; no social transformation without representation.


His entire notion that the justices must represent religious demographic is preposterous. Scalia believes that the constitution must be read as written with full understanding of the original intent of the founders . He believes therefore that the language must not reflect our current understanding as they relate to our modern culture but that of the culture during the period when the amendment was ratified. For someone so narrow in his views regarding the constitution, I wonder how he reconciles the fact that judicial review is inferred and not specifically stated. That issue aside, the individual religious beliefs of a justice is completely irrelevant given that the first amendment prohibits enacting legislation with religion as justification. The justices acting in concert to perform a judicial review are bound by the same 1st amendment mandate. They are to refrain from religious consideration when passing judgement.

Scalia's ramblings are schizophrenic and incoherent. I just do not understand what Ginsburg sees in him that we don't.
 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
150. And the dissents tell us what we already knew . . .
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 03:30 PM
Jun 2015

. . . that Thomas and Scalia are LUNATICS. How in hell did they ever graduate from law school?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
153. Am I the only one who had tears in my eyes
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015

After I found out about this today?

Jesus, this makes me so damned happy! It's about time.

So I first saw this on reddit, and they have a ton of threads on it already and I just can't stop crying. I guess I really didn't think this was going to pass.

This is a day to be marked on my calendar for celebrations.

Cha

(297,665 posts)
154. So Happy for all my Country and most of all for my Gay Brothers and Sisters!
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 04:45 PM
Jun 2015
Fourteenth Amendment requires a state to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when a marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out of state.

mahalo brooklynite~

IronLionZion

(45,530 posts)
168. I hope there's a count of how many conservative marriages are ruined
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jun 2015

Probably Tony Scalia's marriage might be over! Maybe Clarence Thomas's too!



Thanks Obama and Dems and the 5 justices

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