The problem with turning on to Fox News to gloat about their dismay at the ACA ruling

[Nye Bevan]

is that you're exposed to creeps like Karl Rove talking about how we need a more "market-driven" healthcare system.

Now I am a staunch capitalist and fan of free markets (more so than most of DU). Apple competing with Samsung, LL Bean competing with Lands End, and Uber competing with Lyft are just fine in my book. But what "market-based system" is going to somehow pay millions of dollars to treat a child with bone cancer?

When it comes to health care, fuck free markets. (Oh and BTW fuck Karl Rove).

[Motown_Johnny]

1. Yes, we need far more people with serious illnesses

to support the profit margins within our capitalist health care system. Ir should be marked driven, and the marked are people in poor health.

This makes perfect sense, in Bizzaro World.

[Rex]

4. Remember, Free Trade is okay now...it was marked off the list as NUT EVUL.

Nevermind the fact it is a neoliberal fantasy. And those crying the loudest for years? Silent as a mouse!

[Rex]

2. Free markets are libertarian pipedreams. I guess Fair markets are too much to ask for.

Always funny the ever shifting loyalties on DU. Libertarians were horrible, horrible people for years and years on DU...oh wait, they LOVE the free market system too!?

Now not a PEEP from those that once had the loudest voice about the horrible libertarians! Fuck Free Markets...why does anyone want to follow a neoliberal business model to failure?

We really want an Atlas Shrugged world to live in? Us here at DU?

[randome]

8. Fuck libertarians. Fuck Rand Paul.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[Rex]

9. But yes to free markets?

You want to eat the cake or just have it?

[bvar22]

15. Want an Atlas Shrugged World to live in?

Try Somalia.
Small (no) Central government,
and the guy with the most AK-47s run your block.
Go ahead.
Its YOUR dream.

[gratuitous]

3. An astonishing factoid

Not everything should be a commodity. Sounds like Nye Bevan gets that; would that our good friends at Fox understood that as well.

[Nye Bevan]

5. I would add the police, fire department, social security, and prisons,

and there are probably more.

[gratuitous]

11. Schools, of course

There's no immediate return on sending kids six to 18 years old off to schools, but eventually they become the adults who we depend on to run society. A good, solid education in a supportive, nurturing environment pays off (as the parable says) tenfold, a hundredfold, a thousandfold. Preparing the good ground takes time, work, and money.

[Nye Bevan]

17. Yep (nt)

[TDale313]

13. The Commons...

Certain things are part of the common good, and should not be privatized, or at the very least very, very heavily regulated. Schools, Utilities, the Post Offices, Health Care, Telecommunications- in a perfect world I would consider all these to fall into that category.

[Enrique]

6. we do have a market-driven healthcare system

the ACA did not change that.

[bvar22]

16. The "Market Driven" INsurance plan was a FEATURE of OBama's Plan.

That is why he had to ditch the fantasy of a Public Option as quickly as he could
after he "borrowed" it from Edwards and found out how good it polled.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. There is no such thing as a "free market."

The reality is that to one extent or another the government controls the rules of the market. Most (something like 80%) of the litigation in federal court is commercial litigation - corporations suing each other for various things: breach of contract, copyright/trademark/patent infringement, fraud, and so forth. Proponents of a completely free free market would have to get rid of the court system altogether because it's the courts, applying the laws of the United States, that allow the "free market" to function.

[Rex]

10. A true 'free market' would be a global disaster.

Might as well go back to the bartering system.

[arcane1]

12. Not to mention subsidies and tax write-offs n/t

[customerserviceguy]

14. The ruling today was good, but there are a few minor downsides

Let's face it, it would have been fun to watch the establishment Republicon leadership fighting with the Tea Party to come up with some bill that extended the subsidies for a short period of time, so that said leadership could strong-arm the President (in their dreams). Now, 100% of Rethugs can condemn this ruling, and regain some sense of unity over it.

That unity may well translate into a complete refusal to tweak the ACA where sorely needed. Most big legislation spawns unintended consequences, and Congress routinely passes corrective legislation to mitigate the effects of sloppily written parts of major legislation. While the GOP holds any house of Congress, there will be a total attitude among them of, "Well, let the chips fall where they may. Somebody's getting screwed by a particular provision of Obamacare, then they should join our repeal effort."

Being as neither a Repuke Congress nor the SCOTUS has been able to make a dent in the ACA (Hobby Lobby notwithstanding) the eventual consequences of Obamacare, the good and the bad, will eventually mark the legislation in history. I think there will be more good than bad, but it remains to be seen.

The so-called Cadillac tax is the next big thing to hit. Had Scott Brown not been elected to fill Teddy Kennedy's seat, a conference would have been held to iron out some potential bumps in the road, I know the unions were pretty dead set against that provision, but after the Brown election, it was take-it-or-leave-it, and we'll fix it later. At this point, I cannot see a GOP that would be willing to tweak the Cadillac tax headed our way in 2018.

[bvar22]

18. In 2008 Candidate Obama ran AGAINST the Cadallic Tax.

He called the Cadillac Tax "McCains Health Plan".....

I wonder if Hillary has any resentment against Obama for passing HER tax Plan (Mandate with NO Public Option). I remember when he absolutely ridiculed Hillary during the debates for supporting The Mandate.

[customerserviceguy]

20. She has a history

of getting over things.

[Enthusiast]

19. Yes, by all means. Fuck Karl Rove!