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Jonathan Chait ?@jonathanchaitJeb Bush, with malice aforethought, purged minorities from the voting rolls by wrongly identifying them as felons http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/jeb-bush-florida-voter-purge_n_7656764.html?1435232658
____As the 2016 campaign heats up, an episode from his tenure as Florida governor reveals why Bush's image as a uniter, not a divider, as his older brother used to put it, may not stand up. The state's deeply flawed purge of felons from its voting rolls in advance of the 2000 presidential election remains a scar that still has not healed for many in the state.
Ill never the forget people that came up to me and said, You let them steal our votes, Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.), who became state's first African-American elected to Congress since Reconstruction when she won her seat in 1992, told The Huffington Post. So many people were just wiped off the rolls -- people whod been voting for years and years. You had the obligation to prove that you werent a felon.
The felon purge wrongfully denied thousands of legitimate voters the ability to participate in a presidential election pitting Republican George W. Bush against Democrat Al Gore. Ultimately, a few hundred Florida ballots would determine the presidency, and with it, the nations path for the next eight years and, really, well beyond.
Though it received little notice outside of Florida in the elections immediate aftermath, as hanging chads and butterfly ballots took center stage during the recount, the purge remains for many the most egregious example of voter disenfranchisement that took place during the 2000 presidential election, which was ultimately decided by a Supreme Court ruling.
The purge was right out of one of these playbooks in how you diminish minority turnout -- there was absolutely no justification for it, said Dan Gelber, a former Democratic state legislator and a longtime Bush nemesis...
read: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/jeb-bush-florida-voter-purge_n_7656764.html?1435232658
marym625
(17,997 posts)And no politician has done anything about it.
http://projects.aljazeera.com/2014/double-voters/
http://www.gregpalast.com/from-white-sheets-to-spreadsheets/
I have posted about this a few times and it just keeps falling off the radar.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)you're kidding????? People in this country, outside the few, relatively, that have a social conscience in 2015, just really don't give a damn. And that means here also. It never falls off my radar and yours either...thanks Just keep posting...people out here are fighting the RW hate machine because of reminders such as this, till the day I drop. Bernie is really the only option that, hopefully, will finally represent all americans fairly and without an eye to the spoils to be gained as given by the corporatist state and bankers to their political stooges.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I have written to my reps asking they do something. No reply from any.
I don't get it.
You keep posting too! We just won't let anyone forget.
Go Bernie!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)one of the others - don't know other states but you can bet that other R governors did.
truth is a wonderful thing.....
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,858 posts)Goes to show you how news only gets reported if certain people want it to be heard. This is a rather old story, but relatively few people know about it. Republicans don't believe it when you tell them. It's funny to bring up Florida in 2000 or Ohio in 2004 around Republicans. They practically stick their fingers in their ears and say "Lalalalalalala."
marym625
(17,997 posts)The links I put up are for a fairly new purge. It will keep people from voting in 2016.
I have a signed DVD that says, "to my Mary, Greg Palast"
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Hekate
(90,827 posts)Give us the evidence, why don't you?
It's been a GOP modus operandi all along, at the governor's level. We can look at state after state after state. It's all there and has been ever since Bush v. Gore -- even before then, just not on that scale. All the evidence is there, and for those of us who care it has never "fallen off the radar." Ever. If you want to know how it's done and how to combat it, read the DU Archives.
Why would you even say such a thing about a Democrat?
And don't forget to let me know when Bernie stops beating children -- or should I slime as you did and say I don't think he would go that far?
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"I doubt that they will try to purge primary voters - can't see Hillary going that far." Implying that Hillary Clinton is willing to purge in the general election. Just a really crappy thing to post here.
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Hekate
(90,827 posts)It always surprises me how many jury members (who are volunteers for the position after all) seem to think the duties of being a juror are a waste of their time and don't hesitate to say so.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Or worse. And that the Clintons are honorary, rare family members makes them collaborators as bad as Vichy French traitors the previous century.
marym625
(17,997 posts)And because of some state laws, those voters can't vote in the the primary or general.
Take a look at the links. There is a great deal there about it.
I guess we need to make a real stink. Especially in the States this has happened in.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I've gone to see to Greg speak twice down here in San Diego. Always very informative.
randys1
(16,286 posts)havent in a while, this is fantastic work.
GOP doesnt care if he did this, in fact it makes him a better candidate
marym625
(17,997 posts)Love love love
Grins
(7,231 posts)Palast had it early and so did others.
Voter ID laws are merely an extension of what Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did prior to the 2000 election, followed by ALEC, the assault on ACORN, and the the big lies to rouse up "the base".
"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." - Paul Weyrich, the bastard who started all of this.
But it was Palast that broke it. (Sorry, he's my guy and I have to up talk him whenever possible)
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Jeb did the purge, then Kris Kobach took it to a whole new computer science level...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2566856
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)They emailed their caging lists to Whitehouse.org instead of Whitehouse.gov. Whitehouse.org(a parody site) sent the emails to Palast.
They should be in jail. The Republican party is under a restraining order prohibiting voter caging and have been for years. It is a felony, time to enforce it.
Laf.La.Dem.
(2,946 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)After they successfully (were enabled, really) got rid of ACORN, they turned all of their attention to voting machines and software, making it physically more difficult to vote, mailing out mail-in ballots with bad return addresses, disseminating incorrect information about election dates, scrubbing voter rolls, stocking polling sites in places likely to vote Democrat with people who challenge everything and anything, and, here in Florida, just throwing out boxes of ballots.
I am beginning to think that the only way to ensure a fair vote in Amerika is paper ballots collected on site by Pinkertons (and I don't know if I trust them, either ) or just asking each voter, on TV, how they are voting and having those results written down by two or three people.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)blocks long.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Shortening early voting number of days and hours, moving polling places to hard-to-get-to sites, making sure there are no toilet facilities for the log lines.....the beat goes on.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The polls were closed before a lot of them even got a chance to vote.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...what they want. They lack any honor or social responsibility to others. Jeb Bush and his whole band of criminals should be in prison.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)was the alarm bells that should have awakened the american public. Nah, too apathetic and defeated to care, is my read. Still are. I just hope we get the candidate that will finally really try, a single man/woman Mt. Everest climb of a task by the way, to help us who are under the economic boot of the wealthy and their political stooges in this country.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)The Democrats in the Senate refused to object and count all the minority votes.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)This was dropped down the memory hole years ago. We're not supposed to remember this because NADER!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)of course in legislation and rhetoric they've always favored Jeb and Harris and tried to sideline the party's own successful candidate
MH1
(17,604 posts)That this happened with the voter purge doesn't make the crap Nader pulled any more correct. (But let's not make this thread about Nader, so I'll leave it at that.)
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Although "too few of us" might be more fitting, but that's just my opinion.
Personally, I voted for Gore, but "the crap Nader pulled" was an example of the democratic process, for good or for bad. What Jeb and his cronies, most of the corporate news media, and the Bush/Reagan jerks on the Supreme Court did was undermine and thwart that process.
And even so, and even with Gore's rather lackluster campaign, Gore won the popular national vote and probably would've won the electoral vote if a statewide recount of Florida was conducted.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)he and katherine harris and, and, and karl 'the evil genius a**hole' rove were just trying to prevent voter fraud....right? The only thing they prevented was our democratic voting system from working and not ever again being trusted. "Hanging chads" my ass.....I'm still pissed about those two 'elections'. A RW coup d'etat in 2000 and affirmed in 2004 just prevented our democracy from working for the 99% ever again. Not that it's ever really worked for many in this society anyway. American 'democracy' has never recovered from that banker, PNAC, corporate inspired skullduggery. Neither have many of the 32,000 seriously wounded vets from their one war, the other one is continuing. I won't talk about the abominable, horrific toll of Iraqi dead and wounded. I've never seen this as a democracy since then, by any stretch of the imagination.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Faux pas
(14,690 posts)I know he helped his idiot bro win. It was obvious at the time and time doesn't wipe the memory.
George II
(67,782 posts)....because they were "felons", and roughly 64,999 were minorities. It gave the presidency to his brother.
The rest is history (9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.)
Bongo Prophet
(2,651 posts)And that was Hillary Clinton, in her speech on voting rights a few weeks ago. She was speaking at Southern University in Tx, to receive a Barbara Jordan Award.
My jaw dropped a bit that she WENT there. I was impressed and more than a bit surprised, because as many here know, it is little acknowledged. People seem fixated on Nader, Supreme court and other factors, usually in shouting matches about blame.
I encourage everyone to watch the entire speech, as it hit a lot of very important points regarding voting rights and the constant attacks on same. No matter who you support in the primaries, it should be applauded. The people at Southern University surely appreciated it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)it again.
Hekate
(90,827 posts)...she might consider emulating GOP tactics. Wonder if he'll reconsider based on your information?
Bongo Prophet
(2,651 posts)I agree with jwirr that it is an important and ongoing issue that needs to be addressed.
What they meant by it, and how this info would affect? I have no idea.
I really try to stay out of the mud fight level, because engaging in that is not discussion, nor even debate. Just accusations, forced misunderstandings, hypersensitivity to insults, demands to "answer this" and all sorts of verbal bullying. In short, it drains intelligence and comity out of the room. Not my thing.
It's like the political equivalent of meth.
On a positive note, it is a Good Thing to get the truth out there, and I celebrate anyone who does more to get info out.
Now, very many of the Southern U crowd knew this I am sure, as they as informed on this issue as anybody. for them, I would guess that it felt good to know that Hillary "gets it" on the issue. If it hits news cycle, as it did on Rachel Maddow's show, it spreads to more.
Universal voter registration is a good idea to everyone that wants ALL citizens to have their say.
That she proposed a national version of Oregon's progressive law certainly sounds good to me.
Were there a lot of threads on that already on DU, or was it all sniping?
High probability on the latter, yes?
Duval
(4,280 posts)we continue getting reminders of exactly what happened in Florida in 2000. Imagine what the country would look like if Al Gore had been in the White House, instead of GWB.
Raster
(20,998 posts)... was cast, it becomes VERY APPARANT that Albert Gore not only would have won the Presidency, but would have done so handily.
This is why each and every time I hear someone disparage Nader for "handing the Presidency to Bush*," I cringe and respond back that every time we repeat this thoroughly untrue rethuglimeme, we aid and abett the theft of the Presidency after-the-fact. REPEAT AFTER ME: The theft of the Presidency and the "selection" of G.W. Bush* happpened long before Nader, who turned out to be just another convenient scapegoat for the masssive Florida electroral fraud, promulgated chiefly by Jeb Bush* and Kathleen Harris.
Bongo Prophet
(2,651 posts)There were many factors, the "both parties are the same" rhetoric, the media distortions and mythologies that were spread, spin spin spin...but all that time, there were darker things afoot.
People still joke about hanging chads or old people voters, etc. - but it should be common knowledge about the "overzealous" purging and other mischief.
Good post.
Raster
(20,998 posts)... is that that AT LEAST ONE of the electoral disenfranchisement schemes centered around blatant racism. There are primarily two types of Hispanic-decent persons living in Florida: the Cubanos - those that trace their linage primarily through Cuba; and the Latinos, those that trace their linage primarily through Latin America and Puerto Rico. The Cubans tended to be staunch Republican, and always heavily courted by Florida Republican candidates. The Latinos tended to vote Democratic. During the great illegal voter purges - yes PURGES, as there were multiple electoral pogroms - the predominately Latino communities and neighborhoods were specifically targeted for the purges, while the Cubano neighborhoods were not.
Bongo Prophet
(2,651 posts)Seems like more evidence of intent, doesn't it?
As if any more was necessary...and of course FLA isn't the only place those database tricks have been used, nor is that the only tool in their magic bag, as we know.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...was opened: OHIO comes to mind.
And Yes, there are several rethuglican "think tanks" whose who purpose is to disenfranchise as many voters as possible that are presumed NOT TO VOTE RETHUGLICAN, because when you compare political apples to apples, the rethuglican party's message - and it's candidates - are behind the times and unwilling to provide any new and/or workable ideas to deal with issues at hand: human-induced climate change for one.
The Democratic Party spends time and money to GET PEOPLE TO VOTE. The rethuglican party spends time and money stopping people from voting. It's that simple.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Technically, I think it was the Secretary of State, and I can't remember her name. What they did was get a list of convicted felons and checked all the names on it against the voter registration rolls. Well, there are two interesting things. First, the number of black and Latino persons on the list of convicted felons is out of proportion to the representation of white people. This gives rise to the important thing, which is that black and Latino people have names likely to be shared by other black and Latino people. See where this is going? They look on the list of convicted felons, and they see a name such as "Leroy Brown." (Tip of the hat to Jim Croce) How many black guys do you think are named Leroy Brown? How many white guys? They send a notice to every Leroy Brown in the state, telling them, "Show us you're not the Leroy Brown who was in prison, or we'll suspend your voter registration!" OK, now you get it, right?
Hekate
(90,827 posts)....it was all over. I remember a scene at the airport in Florida where she was there to greet W and tried to hold his hand. He shook it off. Wow.
fishwax
(29,149 posts):kick:
blackspade
(10,056 posts)edhopper
(33,619 posts)the Presidency. Mission Accomplished
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)he will energize the Black vote, more than any other republican.
Hekate
(90,827 posts)Good to be reminded that he could be a real catalyst for many Dems, who if they've forgotten what he did should be reminded forcefully and often.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the voter suppression efforts did (hell, he's a poster child for voter suppression) ... he will make for 4 hour waiting lines for Black polling districts.
If you want people to do something, try and tell them they can't.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)I just hope this story doesn't take off until after the primaries. That way he can be tainted for the criminal conspiracy he engaged in with Katherine Harris in 1999-2000.
There is one inaccuracy in the Chait recounting of history. The story did get widely reported in Europe! So the Europeans were more knowledgeable about the mechanism of election theft, while most Americans remained ignorant. Greg Palast, who broke the story in Salon in late 2000 or early 2001 ( when salon had a very small readership) could not get any other American outlet to pick up the story. So he quit and went to work in the UK for the Guardian where he continued to investigate and update the story. Liberal American press, my ass!
SunSeeker
(51,718 posts)Are you not a citizen of the United States when you're in jail?
Rex
(65,616 posts)and have it reflect that we do not really believe an ex-con has done 'their time' and now SHOULD be treated like any other law abiding citizen.
America loves to continuously persecute people, it is a great pastime for millions.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)because every constitutional right is subject to restriction by the state and States have jurisdiction over voting schemes.
But that said, felon disenfranchisement serves no legitimate purpose; however, it does serve its intended purpose ... to limit the political power of the poor and "minorities."
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)To repeat: George W. Bush was never really President of the United States.
I believe that had this purge not taken place, Al Gore would have carried Florida by a margin that, while small, would not have needed a recount and would thus have won the election. This would have spared America and great deal of pain. I cannot say that the September 11 attacks would not have happened, but the response would have been very different and I doubt we would have invaded Iraq.
The irony is that Jeb Bush, too, would have benefited from Dubya's loss in 2000. While the Preppy was be no means a great president, he wasn't the disaster that the Frat Boy was. Jeb would be identified today as the Preppy's other son, and that a lot less budensome that being the Frat Boy's brother.
sellitman
(11,607 posts)I suspect the rest of the GOP knows this
The Wizard
(12,549 posts)But that does not negate the evidence that the entire Bush cartel belongs on the wrong end of the Romanov solution.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)I was born there. I grew up there. We had to fight hard just to get a Dem nominated for anything, so we did. The Bushes are a bunch of money-grubbing assholes and always have been. Push BACK.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I will never forget the horrible things they did to steal that election.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Will anything be done about it?
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)... his head in every sentence